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Re: antartica
« Reply #150 on: July 13, 2006, 05:26:50 AM »
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Penguins were actually created in the 1960's by Russian scientists who combined the DNA of otters and birds.
The presence of penguins around the ice wall is actually a clever means of providing a reliable food source for conspiracy staff stationed there.

Penguins were deliberately engineered to be very easy to catch (hence their lack of flight), but also to be extremely efficient at catching and eating fish. It is economically easier for conspiracy ice-wall guards to have penguins indirectly harvest fish for them, then shoot or trap the fish-filled penguins with ease.

In answer to your other question - yes, March of the Penguins was filmed in a studio. Those penguins were probably animatronic replicas though, because the government can't afford to use large numbers of penguins except for feeding ice-wall guards.

False! False, false, false! The first documented sightings of penguins were in 1497 by the Portugese voyage of Vasco de Gama, fucktard! Need the link? Here you go. Let's see if we can make sure we know what we're talking about next time, okay. Plus, an otter? An otter?! That's a mammal. First off, to get two differents species that are similar to match up is pretty hard even nowadays. But to suggest a mammal and a bird was combined in the ninteenn-sixties. You are crazy! You FE's say you're so open-minded, but the minute somebody proves you wrong, it's a conspiriacy. Listen to the god damned evidence and you may still see the light. Oh by the way. While there aren't that many fossils of penguins (might have something to do with the fact that they inhabit a land covered in ice that is hard to drill through and find shit), we do still have enough to piece together a rough evolution chain. Here's the link. May the light of science and not superstition go with you.
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« Reply #151 on: July 13, 2006, 06:03:19 AM »
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False! False, false, false! The first documented sightings of penguins were in 1497 by the Portugese voyage of Vasco de Gama, fucktard! Need the link? Here you go. Let's see if we can make sure we know what we're talking about next time, okay.


Oh sure, "documented". It's very probable that hundreds of "penguin testimonies" like this exist - distributed by the conspiracy to dupe us into thinking penguins have been around for ages.

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 Plus, an otter? An otter?! That's a mammal. First off, to get two differents species that are similar to match up is pretty hard even nowadays. But to suggest a mammal and a bird was combined in the ninteenn-sixties. You are crazy!


You honestly think the level of technology that the government and media say is available accurately reflects what they're actually capable of? The esoteric pro-con scientific community is centuries ahead of what they make us think. If they're truly on the same level as we are, why are they so desperate to cordon off the Skunk works, Area 51 and all those other top-secret locations?
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« Reply #152 on: July 13, 2006, 06:11:57 AM »
Because the people don't need to know everything. Area 51 was, in my opinion, first used as a base to set up nuclear test sites in the surrounding areas. This is probably what the Roswell Incident really was. Yes, it's true, governments try to cover up for their past mistakes, but the notion you're proposing is ridiculous. If this were true, wars could be won much faster if we just unleashed some of our "insane centuries ahead technology" and let out a can of woop-ass on our enemies. If you're going to claim conspiracy, have some evidence to back it up other than, "well that evidence proves us wrong, so we're going to come up with this elaborate conspiracy theory along with a whole slew of easily refutable weak points to make our case." I'm tired of that. If something doesn't fit with you people, you find some ridiculous excuse to throw it out. You're not a scientific school of thought, you're a religion. Science accepts new facts and admits that it was wrong in the past, so that it can get it right in the future. Science searches for truth, it does not search for facts to prove a truth it already believes in. You people excpet no other evidence, and are working towards a final goal with your "evidence". That's just plain dangerous.
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« Reply #153 on: July 13, 2006, 06:15:57 AM »
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Because the people don't need to know everything. Area 51 was, in my opinion, first used as a base to set up nuclear test sites in the surrounding areas. This is probably what the Roswell Incident really was. Yes, it's true, governments try to cover up for their past mistakes, but the notion you're proposing is ridiculous. If this were true, wars could be won much faster if we just unleashed some of our "insane centuries ahead technology" and let out a can of woop-ass on our enemies.


Would sort of defeat the point of it being kept secret though, right?

Besides, most major world powers are in cahoots about the Flat Earth. A lot of so-called "war" is just a political construct to give the illusion of national division, and in some cases to solve unemployment issues, etc.

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 If you're going to claim conspiracy, have some evidence to back it up other than, "well that evidence proves us wrong, so we're going to come up with this elaborate conspiracy theory along with a whole slew of easily refutable weak points to make our case." I'm tired of that.


The evidence for the conspiracy is that the Earth is blatantly flat, yet the government and media keep telling us it's round.


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You're not a scientific school of thought, you're a religion. Science accepts new facts and admits that it was wrong in the past, so that it can get it right in the future. Science searches for truth, it does not search for facts to prove a truth it already believes in. You people excpet no other evidence, and are working towards a final goal with your "evidence". That's just plain dangerous.


The same with you, or you wouldn't be all over this board yelling and raving like we were some sort of heathen infidels against your Round Earth dogma.
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« Reply #154 on: July 13, 2006, 06:51:29 AM »
Shut up Dogplatter.
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Penguins were actually created in the 1960's by Russian scientists who combined the DNA of otters and birds.  [/quote]


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« Reply #155 on: July 13, 2006, 06:56:17 AM »
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Shut up Dogplatter.


You can't silence the truth!
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« Reply #156 on: July 13, 2006, 07:55:44 AM »
I may have been shouting my views all over the place, but it doesnt' mean that I'm not open to new ideas. At least you can admit that you have a fault there and call yourself a religion. Now, you say that because the earth is so blatantly flat that anything against it is a conspiracy. Okay, show me the blatant evidence. Do you have any hard proof, like a photograph of the earth from space? Oh, that's right, you dont', but we do. Even if you believe that it's a hoax, at least it's something. I'm surprised no one's tried to say they built their own shuttle that could make it into space and doctored a photograph to make the earth look flat yet. Blatant means irrefutable. So, show me your absolutely irrefutable, hard evidence that the earth is flat.
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« Reply #157 on: July 13, 2006, 07:59:19 AM »
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I may have been shouting my views all over the place, but it doesnt' mean that I'm not open to new ideas. At least you can admit that you have a fault there and call yourself a religion


I am extremely open to new ideas - that's why I refuse to blindly believe what I was taught in school, in college, in the media, and everywhere else.
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« Reply #158 on: July 13, 2006, 08:07:08 AM »
Yes, but now you're completely closed-minded to new ideas. You would had to have been pretty open-minded to join this in the first place (possibly bordering marginally insane), but now you don't want to accept anything new, because anything that opposes your idea is either wrong or conspiracy. And you can sing that song all day long, and because something like this can't be proved or disproved, it is defending your belief in a way. But it's making everyone else not believe any valid points you have. If everyone thinks that you're an ignorant fool, they're not going to be as willing to listen as if they thought that you wer open to new ideas.
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« Reply #159 on: July 13, 2006, 08:08:45 AM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
In answer to your other question - yes, March of the Penguins was filmed in a studio. Those penguins were probably animatronic replicas though, because the government can't afford to use large numbers of penguins except for feeding ice-wall guards.


 :lol: Please stop.  My sides are splitting.  :lol:
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« Reply #160 on: July 13, 2006, 08:13:27 AM »
I agree with you Hanky. To say that penguins acting just like they do in real life, in all aspects, can be replicated by computers and robots is absolutely insane. March of the Penguins was filmed by using real penguins in the wild, actually being chased by predators, in the flat, non ice-wall Antarctica.
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« Reply #161 on: July 13, 2006, 08:30:57 AM »
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in the flat, non ice-wall Antarctica.


Oh, woops.  :)
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« Reply #162 on: July 13, 2006, 08:32:06 AM »
Quote from: "Aralith"
If everyone thinks that you're an ignorant fool, they're not going to be as willing to listen as if they thought that you wer open to new ideas.


They don't though. I'm under the impression that many of the FE'ers (and hell, even some of the RE'ers) on this site respect my opinion as a fairly valid one (or at least some of my reasoning to be sound).
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« Reply #163 on: July 13, 2006, 10:07:53 AM »
Ummm I think not Dogplatter, after the penguins, and insinuating that Dinosaurs had powertools and CAD/CAM  (in this thread, check it out), I think everyone has basically decided youre insane.

Dogplatter, saying that wars are just a "political construct" is amazingly dumb, go to any veterans society, you will be killed.  You cant fake PTSD, and you cant fool that many people into just believe theyre shooting at people, and those warm dead bodies still bleeding, how do you explain those? Surely the government isnt making animatronic replicas of people and sending real people to fight them, like in their stunning blockbuster success March of the Penguins?

How about Vietnam, PTSD can be seen in many of the veterans from that war?  Korea? Same deal

Lets even go to WW2, where in my opinion some of the greatest political minds the world has ever seen were all together on one stage.  I can go to Dresden and see ruins from the firebombings, I can go to the concentration camps and see all kinds of starvation and death (photographed of course).
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« Reply #164 on: July 13, 2006, 10:47:30 AM »
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Ummm I think not Dogplatter, after the penguins, and insinuating that Dinosaurs had powertools and CAD/CAM  (in this thread, check it out), I think everyone has basically decided youre insane.


I NEVER implied that they did. My point, when I used that colourful analogy, as anyone with decent comprehension of English will gather, was that we have no idea what technology dinosaurs were capable of, so they could well have built boats.

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Dogplatter, saying that wars are just a "political construct" is amazingly dumb, go to any veterans society, you will be killed.  You cant fake PTSD, and you cant fool that many people into just believe theyre shooting at people, and those warm dead bodies still bleeding, how do you explain those? Surely the government isnt making animatronic replicas of people and sending real people to fight them, like in their stunning blockbuster success March of the Penguins?


Ok, so the exact degree of cahoots about the true nature of the Earth is unknown. It's concievable that very real conflicts could have been fought about political matters while still keeping the shape of the Earth under wraps though.
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« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2006, 11:07:54 AM »
So youre saying Pangaea had to exist? it is either one of the other, either there was Pangaea, or there ships that can transport thosuands of animals weighing tons, and plants for thousands of miles of turbulant ocean.


If there were very real conflicts, than someone would make the threat to release the information, and say it was all opponent's fault.  Make all their people rise against them, that would be the greatest way to topple a country.
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« Reply #166 on: July 13, 2006, 11:09:31 AM »
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So youre saying Pangaea had to exist? it is either one of the other, either there was Pangaea, or there ships that can transport thosuands of animals weighing tons, and plants for thousands of miles of turbulant ocean.


Yes, the ships existed. Powertools and CAD/CAM aren't prerequesites for intercontinental shipbuilding.

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If there were very real conflicts, than someone would make the threat to release the information, and say it was all opponent's fault.  Make all their people rise against them, that would be the greatest way to topple a country.


Obviously not, since it never occured.
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« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2006, 11:11:56 AM »
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So youre saying Pangaea had to exist? it is either one of the other, either there was Pangaea, or there ships that can transport thosuands of animals weighing tons, and plants for thousands of miles of turbulant ocean.


Yes, the ships existed. Powertools and CAD/CAM aren't prerequesites for intercontinental shipbuilding.

For 60 ton, 100 foot long dinosaurs, they are.

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« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2006, 11:16:45 AM »
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If there were very real conflicts, than someone would make the threat to release the information, and say it was all opponent's fault.  Make all their people rise against them, that would be the greatest way to topple a country.


Obviously not, since it never occured.


or you know... there could be no conspiracy
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« Reply #169 on: July 13, 2006, 11:26:45 AM »
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For 60 ton, 100 foot long dinosaurs, they are.


How do we know that it wasn't just the lightest dinosaurs that colonised? Baby versions of heavier dinosaurs (like Allosaurus and Brontosaurus) may have been escorted across the sea by more responsible, but smaller, adult dinosaurs (like Deinonychus or Protoceratops).
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« Reply #170 on: July 13, 2006, 11:27:46 AM »
How exactly would the tools to make these boats be build?
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« Reply #171 on: July 13, 2006, 11:34:07 AM »
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How exactly would the tools to make these boats be build?


This is speculation, but I'd imagine dinosaurs would initially have used claws to grasp rocks and break them into shapes (much as humans must originally have done). Shafts for said tools would be easy to make using teeth and claws.

I'm doubtful as to whether or not the dinosaurs had mastered the art of metal extraction from ore - this is the sort of thing that would have left significant, undestroyable evidence (which it didn't).

Advanced tools of stone and wood would probably be sufficient to build a small fleet of crafts capable of intercontinental travel.
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« Reply #172 on: July 13, 2006, 11:44:47 AM »
good tools are very complicated to create.  There would also be some evidence of the tools themselves, like for example, if they were using sharp rocks as tools, I'm sure they would use them as weapons as well.  Think dinosaur with rock stabbed into its throat.

so you are trying to say that there were many types of dinosaurs with near-human intelegent, enough to overcome the predator/prey instinct.  They overcome the fear of being near an animal that was killing them by he thousands everywhere (i.e. allosaurus).
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« Reply #173 on: July 13, 2006, 01:24:06 PM »
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For 60 ton, 100 foot long dinosaurs, they are.


How do we know that it wasn't just the lightest dinosaurs that colonised? Baby versions of heavier dinosaurs (like Allosaurus and Brontosaurus) may have been escorted across the sea by more responsible, but smaller, adult dinosaurs (like Deinonychus or Protoceratops).

Because even light ones still weighed several tons.

And if they had the capability to form an axe, they would certainly be able to only ever strip meat from their prey and never have to eat them whole, bones and all. If they had the brains you suggest, they would skin their prey and cook it, using tools, like early man did. Yet, we find no evidence on the bones of dinosaur prey, like we do on the prey of early man.

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« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2006, 01:59:46 PM »
Wow, encrypto, youre awesome, i have NOTHING to add
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« Reply #175 on: July 13, 2006, 02:39:05 PM »
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Because even light ones still weighed several tons.


No they didn't. Animals like Compsognathus and Deinonychus were barely the size of a human.

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And if they had the capability to form an axe, they would certainly be able to only ever strip meat from their prey and never have to eat them whole, bones and all. If they had the brains you suggest, they would skin their prey and cook it, using tools, like early man did. Yet, we find no evidence on the bones of dinosaur prey, like we do on the prey of early man.


Perhaps, like native Americans, they used every part of the animal (skin for clothing - which WOULD HAVE DISINTEGRATED DURING FOSSILIZATION before you ask), guts for sinews (sailing related?) which would also be biodegradable, and bones to make more advanced tools. Bone tools have never been found because fossil remains only occur in extreme, rare conditions like lava flows and tar pits, and any dinosaur smart enough to make tools would know to steer clear of these.
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« Reply #176 on: July 13, 2006, 02:41:40 PM »
Also, bear in mind that widespread killing of other dinosaurs may have been discouraged as murder if dinosaurs had a society. Meat-eaters would probably either have feasted on corpses (soylent green style) or eaten meat substitutes, so evidence of cooking may have been very limited.
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« Reply #177 on: July 13, 2006, 02:56:54 PM »
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No they didn't. Animals like Compsognathus and Deinonychus were barely the size of a human.

Brontosaurs weren't quite so small.

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Perhaps, like native Americans, they used every part of the animal (skin for clothing - which WOULD HAVE DISINTEGRATED DURING FOSSILIZATION before you ask), guts for sinews (sailing related?) which would also be biodegradable, and bones to make more advanced tools. Bone tools have never been found because fossil remains only occur in extreme, rare conditions like lava flows and tar pits, and any dinosaur smart enough to make tools would know to steer clear of these.

First of all, fossilization is not that rare and does not occur in only those instances. Secondly, when we find dinosaur fossils, like dinosaurs that had been killed and eaten, there isn't any skin, but there is the imprint of skin etched around them.

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« Reply #178 on: July 13, 2006, 03:00:30 PM »
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Brontosaurs weren't quite so small.


Baby ones were probably only a little bigger than a very fat cow or horse.

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First of all, fossilization is not that rare and does not occur in only those instances. Secondly, when we find dinosaur fossils, like dinosaurs that had been killed and eaten, there isn't any skin, but there is the imprint of skin etched around them.


I thought it did. How does it occur in other situations though? I was under the impression that fossils required an anaerobic environment to form into rock "casts" of bone.
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« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2006, 03:13:42 PM »
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Baby ones were probably only a little bigger than a very fat cow or horse.

Brontos weren't even the biggest, though. I'll put it this way, dinosaurs would have to be as advanced as the Egyptian culture (if not more advanced) to be able to build a craft that could carry several tons from one continent to another. There is no way a culture that advanced and widespread could not leave a trace. Not to mention the question of what happened to them? See, a lot of dinosaurs were wiped out by environmental changes and meteors, but not the strongest (and smartest)... those evolved into modern birds and reptiles. So, why would they evolve into a dumber species?

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I thought it did. How does it occur in other situations though? I was under the impression that fossils required an anaerobic environment to form into rock "casts" of bone.

In order for an organism to be fossilized, the remains normally need to be covered by sediment as soon as possible. However there are exceptions to this, such as if an organism becomes frozen, desiccated, or comes to rest in an anoxic (oxygen-free) environment such as at the bottom of a lake.

If your dinosaurs were so advanced, they'd probably perform burial rituals, which would be perfect for fossilization.