Why do you believe that the earth is flat?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #90 on: February 28, 2009, 10:59:01 AM »
Come on people! If you want to get serious actaully state something that cn be proven, or explained in details with a well proven or accepted theory, if you want to prove the FE'ers that the Earth is round.

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #91 on: February 28, 2009, 11:57:37 AM »
Come on people! If you want to get serious actaully state something that cn be proven, or explained in details with a well proven or accepted theory, if you want to prove the FE'ers that the Earth is round.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=27165.60

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #92 on: March 01, 2009, 01:25:14 AM »
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That's probably what they said when they said that blacks were inferior to whites, but it turned out that blacks and whites were equal!  :o

Did any of those hypothesis' have peer reviewed studies to back them up?

If they did, would it have been right then?


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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #93 on: March 01, 2009, 01:29:47 AM »
I believe the earth is flat, because the government says its round. The Government is always lying to us, therefor the only logical conclusion is that it is flat.

So the basis of this argument is that because the government always lies, when it says the world is round, it stands to reason that it is not, correct?

Well then tell me, how do you know who the government is?  Who tells you who is the government?  If the government tells you they are the government (which they do) then doesn't  it stand to reason that they are lying about that as well?  Wouldn't that make them not the government? Don't you know that "What I am saying right now is a lie" is a paradox and as such, a logical fallacy?

Furthermore, if you heard that the government was the government from another source independant from them, how do you know -they- are not in the conspiracy?  How do you know anything if you question everything?  Perhaps flat earth society was created by the government to make the notion of a flat earth sound silly, therefore reinforcing the belief that the earth is round.

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #94 on: March 01, 2009, 12:59:22 PM »
Anyone who believes the Earth is flat is a moron.
Good argument, bro.

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #95 on: March 01, 2009, 05:23:56 PM »
the earth is round.
I am the greatest eagle to fly amung the clouds.

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #96 on: March 01, 2009, 10:34:49 PM »
the government is not this all powerful entity you think it is. They are really quite incompetent. I can't even begin to think of what it would take to perpetuate a lie.

but that isn't a reason to believe RE either.

Believe it because all science points to a round earth. Now before you refer me to the FAQ or something, there is nothing in there that stands up to any theory. Gravity is a force (measured in Newtons) not an acceleration and it is far from constent. It is roughly 9.8 m/s2 at sea level because of the mass of the earth. All matter have a gravitational force and the earth is matter, therefore it has gravity.

Science is about not starting with any assumptions, so why start with assumptions like a disk-shaped earth surrounded by a wall of ice. If there is one set of physics rules for the earth and another set of rules for the rest of the universe, explain why. I really want to be civil, so I'm sorry if it comes off otherwise but please respond without saying "do it yourself." I just have a simple question, Why do the rules of gravity not apply to the earth?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #97 on: March 01, 2009, 11:37:53 PM »
I agree that assumptions are bad for science.  RE science is built on centuries of assumptions.  FE science is based squarely on the zetetic method, which does away with assumption and bases the conclusion entirely on the result.  That's how Rowbotham proved the Earth flat a century and a half ago, and many FE scientists have since duplicated with the same result.  I suggest you do some research.

And it's not the government per se that's behind the Conspiracy, it's NASA, in concert with the world's various space agencies.  They are far more intelligent and cunning.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2009, 12:42:49 AM »
I agree that assumptions are bad for science.  RE science is built on centuries of assumptions.  FE science is based squarely on the zetetic method, which does away with assumption and bases the conclusion entirely on the result.  That's how Rowbotham proved the Earth flat a century and a half ago, and many FE scientists have since duplicated with the same result.  I suggest you do some research.

And it's not the government per se that's behind the Conspiracy, it's NASA, in concert with the world's various space agencies.  They are far more intelligent and cunning.

lol

Scientific method is your friend.

With any experiment you must have some kind of assumption (hypothesis) our you wouldn't have a clue as to why your doing the experiment in the first place :D

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2009, 11:20:57 AM »
I agree that assumptions are bad for science.  RE science is built on centuries of assumptions.  FE science is based squarely on the zetetic method, which does away with assumption and bases the conclusion entirely on the result.  That's how Rowbotham proved the Earth flat a century and a half ago, and many FE scientists have since duplicated with the same result.  I suggest you do some research.

And it's not the government per se that's behind the Conspiracy, it's NASA, in concert with the world's various space agencies.  They are far more intelligent and cunning.

lol

Scientific method is your friend.

With any experiment you must have some kind of assumption (hypothesis) our you wouldn't have a clue as to why your doing the experiment in the first place :D

No.  Your approach is to say "I propose that the Earth is round" and proceed with that hypothesis in mind, leading to hopelessly biased results.  The far more sensible approach, the zetetic approach, is to remove the hypothesis altogether, ask "What shape is the Earth?" and proceed to collect evidence, basing the result entirely on the evidence rather than having some hypothesis in mind.  This removes the bias.  That's how Rowbotham originally did it.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #100 on: March 02, 2009, 12:10:09 PM »
I agree that assumptions are bad for science.  RE science is built on centuries of assumptions.  FE science is based squarely on the zetetic method, which does away with assumption and bases the conclusion entirely on the result.  That's how Rowbotham proved the Earth flat a century and a half ago, and many FE scientists have since duplicated with the same result.  I suggest you do some research.

And it's not the government per se that's behind the Conspiracy, it's NASA, in concert with the world's various space agencies.  They are far more intelligent and cunning.

lol

Scientific method is your friend.

With any experiment you must have some kind of assumption (hypothesis) our you wouldn't have a clue as to why your doing the experiment in the first place :D

No.  Your approach is to say "I propose that the Earth is round" and proceed with that hypothesis in mind, leading to hopelessly biased results.  The far more sensible approach, the zetetic approach, is to remove the hypothesis altogether, ask "What shape is the Earth?" and proceed to collect evidence, basing the result entirely on the evidence rather than having some hypothesis in mind.  This removes the bias.  That's how Rowbotham originally did it.

My approach is to say hmm gravity. What tests can i conduct to ascertain what this is?

Well I assume apples and feathers fall. Lets drop them.

Result: What? they fall at the same rate. But one is heavier than the other. ??? Hypothesis, Theory

Next assumption. Oh look loads of stars in the sky. What are they?

Well they seem to move around the sky in an arc like fashion and at a certain rate. Why do they do this?

Lets measure the rate at which they move and what the angle of there moving curvature might be. Hmm what kind of experiment shall i conduct. Well lets assume the stars stay in the sky and move in a manner I can track with a telescope.

Result: Oh look the stars move around in a weird fashion that could mean the earths round.


Don't get me wrong I agree with what you are saying. But even Rowbotham had to assume that his appratus worked in a certain way to give him results that he could analyse.

Experiments stand on other experiments. Theories stand on other theories. It's how science works. If a theory at the bottom fails then the rest come tumbelling down.

If Columbus didn't use a previous hypothesis of the world and where land masses that have already been discovered might be he might not of found America or he would of found it not as soon as he did.

You need to stand on giants (so to speak) to get that much higher.

Experimental apparatus are built on previous theories that say it will work. i.e. and electron microscope or a SQUID (Supercoducting Quantum Unified Interference Device) which has a joesphson junction at it's heart.
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #101 on: March 02, 2009, 12:11:48 PM »
The Earth is flat.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #102 on: March 02, 2009, 12:12:59 PM »
the earht is round. 8)
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #103 on: March 02, 2009, 12:52:20 PM »
Earht can be whatever shape you want it to be, but the earth is flat.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #104 on: March 02, 2009, 01:20:17 PM »
The Earth is round

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #105 on: March 02, 2009, 01:30:23 PM »
yes siry it is. its shaped almost like a ping pong ball. little indented at the poles and chubby round the center.
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #106 on: March 02, 2009, 01:37:04 PM »
Earht can be whatever shape you want it to be, but the earth is flat.

talf sihtraesht ,eb ot ti tnaw uoy epahs revetahw eb nac thrae.

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #107 on: March 02, 2009, 01:40:37 PM »
You forgot 'but' and spelled 'the' wrong.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #108 on: March 02, 2009, 01:43:38 PM »
what langage was that?
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #109 on: March 02, 2009, 01:44:35 PM »
Backwardsese.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #110 on: March 02, 2009, 01:46:33 PM »
ah got yeah, now ees i
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #111 on: March 02, 2009, 02:41:53 PM »
hallo niemand hier verstaan 'n verdoem ding

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #112 on: March 02, 2009, 02:56:52 PM »
that one dosent even make sence backwords.
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #113 on: March 02, 2009, 02:57:13 PM »
hallo niemand hier verstaan 'n verdoem ding

That's not backwardish! That's actually the Netherlandish.
And you said: "No one here means a damn thing.", right? :P

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #114 on: March 02, 2009, 03:04:28 PM »
hallo niemand hier verstaan 'n verdoem ding

That's not backwardish! That's actually the Netherlandish.
And you said: "No one here means a damn thing.", right? :P

Yeah it's Afrikaans

Which I think has an element of dutch in it :)

It meant: No one here knows a damn thing. I was refering to the trolls ofc :P
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #115 on: March 02, 2009, 05:30:32 PM »
you people are like.... so smart.

tell you what, go buy a ticket and fly around the world with a video camera and post the video.

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #116 on: March 02, 2009, 06:30:04 PM »
lol. no need to jump all in his face.lol.
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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #117 on: March 04, 2009, 03:07:47 PM »
You are wrong!
The earth is triangled!
And Tom Bishop is anti christ

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #118 on: March 04, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »
you people are like.... so smart.

tell you what, go buy a ticket and fly around the world with a video camera and post the video.

What do you think that would prove?  ???
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why do you believe that the earth is flat?
« Reply #119 on: March 04, 2009, 04:10:46 PM »
you people are like.... so smart.

tell you what, go buy a ticket and fly around the world with a video camera and post the video.

What do you think that would prove?  ???

why not try flying plane off edge of world instead of?