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articulo mortis

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« on: February 06, 2009, 10:45:14 PM »
I've heard the theory (whether established or not) that "time" as we know it is man-made and therefore, does not necessarily exist, or was not in existance in the beginning of time (Ironic, I know). That although the sun may rise every 24-hours and continue this pattern throughout the seasons, there is no such thing as time or days.  Your life is a "day" then, for days as we know them were created by human kind.

I'd be interested to hear opinions back on this, although I don't have much of a stance on it.
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Re: Time
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 10:47:01 PM »
Quote from: articulo mortis on February 06, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
I've heard the theory (whether established or not) that "time" as we know it is man-made and therefore, does not necessarily exist, or was not in existance in the beginning of time (Ironic, I know). That although the sun may rise every 24-hours and continue this pattern throughout the seasons, there is no such thing as time or days.  Your life is a "day" then, for days as we know them were created by human kind.

I'd be interested to hear opinions back on this, although I don't have much of a stance on it.
A day is defined as the amount of time it takes for the Earth to create one full rotation.
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Re: Time
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 10:50:06 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: articulo mortis on February 06, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
I've heard the theory (whether established or not) that "time" as we know it is man-made and therefore, does not necessarily exist, or was not in existance in the beginning of time (Ironic, I know). That although the sun may rise every 24-hours and continue this pattern throughout the seasons, there is no such thing as time or days.  Your life is a "day" then, for days as we know them were created by human kind.

I'd be interested to hear opinions back on this, although I don't have much of a stance on it.
A day is defined as the amount of time it takes for the Earth to create one full rotation.

Wrong.
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Re: Time
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 10:54:10 PM »
I don't think that time is necessarily a human construct as much as units of time are.  Time exists as a sequence of events which we have chosen to define in a particular way.
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articulo mortis

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Re: Time
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 10:55:18 PM »
Thank you Robbyj, I definitely agree with that.  The only human made part about time is the actual units of it.  And time is forever passing no matter how we measure it.
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Re: Time
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 10:55:33 PM »
Quote from: Euclid on February 06, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: articulo mortis on February 06, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
I've heard the theory (whether established or not) that "time" as we know it is man-made and therefore, does not necessarily exist, or was not in existance in the beginning of time (Ironic, I know). That although the sun may rise every 24-hours and continue this pattern throughout the seasons, there is no such thing as time or days.  Your life is a "day" then, for days as we know them were created by human kind.

I'd be interested to hear opinions back on this, although I don't have much of a stance on it.
A day is defined as the amount of time it takes for the Earth to create one full rotation.

Wrong.
Also, a second is defined by the amountof time it takes for an elements atom to vibrate like 113 times. We as humans need to define these things.
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Re: Time
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 10:55:54 PM »
Quote from: Robbyj on February 06, 2009, 10:54:10 PM
I don't think that time is necessarily a human construct as much as units of time are.  Time exists as a sequence of events which we have chosen to define in a particular way.

I'd say that time exists just as much as space does.
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Re: Time
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 10:57:55 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Euclid on February 06, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: articulo mortis on February 06, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
I've heard the theory (whether established or not) that "time" as we know it is man-made and therefore, does not necessarily exist, or was not in existance in the beginning of time (Ironic, I know). That although the sun may rise every 24-hours and continue this pattern throughout the seasons, there is no such thing as time or days.  Your life is a "day" then, for days as we know them were created by human kind.

I'd be interested to hear opinions back on this, although I don't have much of a stance on it.
A day is defined as the amount of time it takes for the Earth to create one full rotation.

Wrong.
Also, a second is defined by the amountof time it takes for an elements atom to vibrate like 113 times. We as humans need to define these things.

"The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom"
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Re: Time
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 11:30:25 PM »

[/quote]Also, a second is defined by the amountof time it takes for an elements atom to vibrate like 113 times. We as humans need to define these things.
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Actually, a second seems to be equal to one "beat" of an average human heart.
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Re: Time
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 11:46:55 PM »
Quote from: Euclid on February 06, 2009, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: Robbyj on February 06, 2009, 10:54:10 PM
I don't think that time is necessarily a human construct as much as units of time are.  Time exists as a sequence of events which we have chosen to define in a particular way.

I'd say that time exists just as much as space does.

I would consider space in the same way.
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KingMan

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Re: Time
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 08:28:06 AM »
Quote from: Euclid on February 06, 2009, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Euclid on February 06, 2009, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: articulo mortis on February 06, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
I've heard the theory (whether established or not) that "time" as we know it is man-made and therefore, does not necessarily exist, or was not in existance in the beginning of time (Ironic, I know). That although the sun may rise every 24-hours and continue this pattern throughout the seasons, there is no such thing as time or days.  Your life is a "day" then, for days as we know them were created by human kind.

I'd be interested to hear opinions back on this, although I don't have much of a stance on it.
A day is defined as the amount of time it takes for the Earth to create one full rotation.

Wrong.
Also, a second is defined by the amountof time it takes for an elements atom to vibrate like 113 times. We as humans need to define these things.

"The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom"
You got it right. I couldn't remember what element it was.
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Re: Time
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 05:02:26 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:55:33 PM
Also, a second is defined by the amountof time it takes for an elements atom to vibrate like 113 times. We as humans need to define these things.
The original definition of a second is 1/60 of a minute; the basic unit of time adopted under the Systeme International d'Unites, not how many times an elements atom vibrates within this duration.
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KingMan

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2009, 05:04:42 PM »
Quote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 07, 2009, 05:02:26 PM
Quote from: KingMan on February 06, 2009, 10:55:33 PM
Also, a second is defined by the amountof time it takes for an elements atom to vibrate like 113 times. We as humans need to define these things.
The original definition of a second is 1/60 of a minute; the basic unit of time adopted under the Systeme International d'Unites, not how many times an elements atom vibrates within this duration.
Have you ever heard of an atomic clock? They wanted to solidly define a second so the defined it as the amount of time it takes the element caesium to vibrate a couple hundred times. I'm not sure of the exact number.
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Re: Time
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 05:08:31 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on February 07, 2009, 05:04:42 PM
Have you ever heard of an atomic clock?
Yes I have, oh wise one. The definition of a second was established well before such things.
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Re: Time
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 05:25:31 AM »
Quote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 07, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: KingMan on February 07, 2009, 05:04:42 PM
Have you ever heard of an atomic clock?
Yes I have, oh wise one. The definition of a second was established well before such things.

Yes and no. It has followed a progression from solar, to mechanical, to atomic over the past few thousand years. The cesium atomic measurement was only established, by definition, after or in congruence with atomic clocks. The second is an arbitrary number, roughly modeled off of the mean solar day.
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Re: Time
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2009, 02:38:13 PM »
time cannot be man made because man would have to make it within some form of time. time came first not us
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Re: Time
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 02:51:45 PM »
megee, stop bringing these up! This is two months old!

Please lock this and other such old topics.
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Re: Time
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 05:53:40 PM »
Quote from: RingwallTheTeacher on May 27, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
megee, stop bringing these up! This is two months old!

Please lock this and other such old topics.

Noob regulation.  I love it!
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Re: Time
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 06:31:15 PM »
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on May 27, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: RingwallTheTeacher on May 27, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
megee, stop bringing these up! This is two months old!

Please lock this and other such old topics.

Noob regulation.  I love it!

Doesn't matter how nublish I am; megee is being ridiculous. Bringing up topics 3 months old is ridiculous in any forum.
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Re: Time
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 06:34:28 PM »
Quote from: RingwallTheTeacher on May 27, 2009, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on May 27, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: RingwallTheTeacher on May 27, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
megee, stop bringing these up! This is two months old!

Please lock this and other such old topics.

Noob regulation.  I love it!

Doesn't matter how nublish I am; megee is being ridiculous. Bringing up topics 3 months old is ridiculous in any forum.
I think he is saying that you are the one who is regulating the noob.
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Re: Time
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2009, 12:41:09 PM »
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    [about the nature of time]
    The Doctor: People don't understand time. It's not what you think it is.
    Sally: Then what is it?
    The Doctor: Complicated.
    Sally: Tell me.
    The Doctor: Very complicated.
    Sally: I'm clever, and I'm listening, and don't patronise me because people have died and I'm not happy. Tell me.
    The Doctor: People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect... but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly.... timey-wimey.... stuff.
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