Quote from: Guessed on February 07, 2009, 10:41:14 AMI see you point completely. My only counterpoint I'd offer is that, the government has a responsibility to keep it's citizens healthy in order that they remain productive and the country continues to prosper. Surely you can agree to that at least? I'm not saying convert the U.S into the Soviet Union 2.0, I'm merely saying that the healthy of society are the productive of society. Healthy... should be a person's concern. No one, not you, not me, not any official has the right to force a person to go to the doctor.I will agree that the medical care be there, yes. But even God gave us free will. No power should be able to force someone to do something.I have a living will and certain instructions in case of certain types of accidents, just so I don't end up in the middle of something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_SchiavoHave the medical help there, yes. Force it, give the government the right to say you have to take this drug or that treatment, no.
I see you point completely. My only counterpoint I'd offer is that, the government has a responsibility to keep it's citizens healthy in order that they remain productive and the country continues to prosper. Surely you can agree to that at least? I'm not saying convert the U.S into the Soviet Union 2.0, I'm merely saying that the healthy of society are the productive of society.
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Quote from: Ravenwood240 on February 07, 2009, 09:40:51 AMQuote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 07, 2009, 09:34:01 AMYour quoting is broke again...And you're not disagreeing me, you're disagreeing with the UN. But I would think that the country has a responisiblity to send them back, yes, but only if it is safe to send them back (which in the case of the US with I assume most of the illegal immigrants coming Mexico then yeah its safe) but the country also has a responsibility to care for them if they are sick or injured on the basis that it is human rights that we are talking about here, they apply to everyone in a State regardless of who they are or why they are there.Under that thinking, Gayer, the state could charge you for that trespasser's broken leg, since it happened on your property.The rules for States and the rules for individuals are not exactly the same. Individuals are not expected to do the same humanitarian actions as States as because States have different powers and resources than individuals do. The law should not force an individual to directly pay for another person's injury or illness, even if it occurs on their own property, but the law should require that all pay indirectly for the healthcare of all peoples that are in the country they are in. But anyway, can we all agree now that healthcare is a human right and not a privilege?
Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 07, 2009, 09:34:01 AMYour quoting is broke again...And you're not disagreeing me, you're disagreeing with the UN. But I would think that the country has a responisiblity to send them back, yes, but only if it is safe to send them back (which in the case of the US with I assume most of the illegal immigrants coming Mexico then yeah its safe) but the country also has a responsibility to care for them if they are sick or injured on the basis that it is human rights that we are talking about here, they apply to everyone in a State regardless of who they are or why they are there.Under that thinking, Gayer, the state could charge you for that trespasser's broken leg, since it happened on your property.
Your quoting is broke again...And you're not disagreeing me, you're disagreeing with the UN. But I would think that the country has a responisiblity to send them back, yes, but only if it is safe to send them back (which in the case of the US with I assume most of the illegal immigrants coming Mexico then yeah its safe) but the country also has a responsibility to care for them if they are sick or injured on the basis that it is human rights that we are talking about here, they apply to everyone in a State regardless of who they are or why they are there.
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Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 07, 2009, 11:16:24 AMQuote from: Ravenwood240 on February 07, 2009, 09:40:51 AMQuote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 07, 2009, 09:34:01 AMYour quoting is broke again...And you're not disagreeing me, you're disagreeing with the UN. But I would think that the country has a responisiblity to send them back, yes, but only if it is safe to send them back (which in the case of the US with I assume most of the illegal immigrants coming Mexico then yeah its safe) but the country also has a responsibility to care for them if they are sick or injured on the basis that it is human rights that we are talking about here, they apply to everyone in a State regardless of who they are or why they are there.Under that thinking, Gayer, the state could charge you for that trespasser's broken leg, since it happened on your property.The rules for States and the rules for individuals are not exactly the same. Individuals are not expected to do the same humanitarian actions as States as because States have different powers and resources than individuals do. The law should not force an individual to directly pay for another person's injury or illness, even if it occurs on their own property, but the law should require that all pay indirectly for the healthcare of all peoples that are in the country they are in. But anyway, can we all agree now that healthcare is a human right and not a privilege?The UN does call it one and my country signed off on it, so yes... despite the fact I disagree.
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the UN is failure personified. They can't even top the USA from invading a country for no reason at all.
Maybe the UN should come after us with their army
Quote from: theonlydann on February 07, 2009, 01:03:15 PMthe UN is failure personified. They can't even top the USA from invading a country for no reason at all.Of course they can't top it... but who could?
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on February 07, 2009, 01:05:00 PMQuote from: theonlydann on February 07, 2009, 01:03:15 PMthe UN is failure personified. They can't even top the USA from invading a country for no reason at all.Of course they can't top it... but who could? haha although the US ignoring international law is no laughing matter
Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 07, 2009, 01:11:47 PMQuote from: Ravenwood240 on February 07, 2009, 01:05:00 PMQuote from: theonlydann on February 07, 2009, 01:03:15 PMthe UN is failure personified. They can't even top the USA from invading a country for no reason at all.Of course they can't top it... but who could? haha although the US ignoring international law is no laughing matter To be honest, I sometimes wonder why the UN is in New York at all. Look up UN rent payments in arrears...How come they haven't been foreclosed on?
Quote from: Ravenwood240 on February 07, 2009, 01:20:48 PMQuote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 07, 2009, 01:11:47 PMQuote from: Ravenwood240 on February 07, 2009, 01:05:00 PMQuote from: theonlydann on February 07, 2009, 01:03:15 PMthe UN is failure personified. They can't even top the USA from invading a country for no reason at all.Of course they can't top it... but who could? haha although the US ignoring international law is no laughing matter To be honest, I sometimes wonder why the UN is in New York at all. Look up UN rent payments in arrears...How come they haven't been foreclosed on?Because it'd cause more trouble than its worth?
The US already has free health care. - It's illegal for emergency rooms to turn you away.- There's no such thing as debtor's prison.
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Seriously Tom? Your going to maintain this is equivalent to free gov provided health care?A bemusedCinlef
Tom Tom Tom....being able to go to an emergency room doesn't equal having healthcare....
Well the kind of healthcare that is considered a right by the UDHR composes a lot more than emergency care so its not a privilege.
Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on February 09, 2009, 12:25:18 PMWell the kind of healthcare that is considered a right by the UDHR composes a lot more than emergency care so its not a privilege.I don't see why we should have to pay for someone's non-emergency arm rash treatments. We're already paying for actual life threatening situations and that's enough. If they want anything else they can pay for it themselves.
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