/b/'s view on religion

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2009, 09:46:55 AM »
Find a single organization that isn't.
PETA.

Now if you aren't going to take this seriously.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2009, 09:49:22 AM »
Find a single organization that isn't.
PETA.

Now if you aren't going to take this seriously.
Organizations, by definition and etymology, are to control people. I never disputed this.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2009, 10:08:31 AM »
Problem of evil paradox is a better argument for there not being a God.

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Logical problem of evil

   1. God exists. (premise)
   2. God is omnipotent and omniscient. (premise ? or true by definition of the word "God")
   3. God is all-benevolent. (premise ? or true by definition)
   4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise ? or true by definition)
   5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise)
   6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4)
   7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2)
         1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways that do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2)
         2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1)
         3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5)
   8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3)
   9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise)
  10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, evil does not exist, God is not simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient and all-benevolent, or all-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will not necessarily do so immediately when they become aware of it.

God is not omnibenevolent. He created evil much like He created good, therefore some part of Him is evil. Like Yin and Yang but without the black dot because only light can penetrate darkness (which is merely the absence of light.)
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2009, 10:10:40 AM »
How do you know?  It could also be that he is not all powerfull (how could something be all powerful anyway?).

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2009, 10:15:12 AM »
Because we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2009, 10:16:27 AM »
Because we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.

Begging the question.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2009, 10:17:06 AM »
I'm saying that a God that evidently doesn't have any power over the universe nowadays (not seen any miracles recently- but doesn't stop the universe having a creator) might have this built into people, so they have a chance to do good things.
Which, believe in God or not, are the right things to do.

Being good. It's just a good idea. If everyone believed in God, it would solve a lot of problems, but some people are ridiculous about it.

Actually, just stick to the 10 commandments and it's fine!

Let me just say again that I'm not religious, but not killing and stealing etc are rules I follow..

But my point is that the 'fundamentals' of all religions (strange to use that word in a good way when talking about religion) are just common sense. And whether it's because you want to go to heaven, or because you want everyone to have a good life, it doesn't matter.

This just gets murkier and murkier. It's gone from an argument for a god's existence based on an "instinctive knowledge" of god common to humans to an argument for god's existence from morality (people need god to do good things) moving on to become a statement about the benefits to society that arise from a belief in god and eventually dropped god completed, adopted common sense and became: "Don't be a massive twat."

I have a couple of questions for you:
  • Is a god necessary for belief in a god?
  • Is a god necessary for humans to be able to do "good"?
  • Is a belief in a god necessary for humans to be able to do "good"?

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2009, 10:26:08 AM »
Because we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.

Begging the question.

I know for the same reason you don't.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2009, 10:28:42 AM »
Because we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.

Begging the question.

I know for the same reason you don't.

How do you know? 

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2009, 10:33:47 AM »
By recognizing my divine origins for what they are and keeping in touch with the inner code, which was scripted by the Man.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2009, 10:34:17 AM »
By recognizing my divine origins for what they are and keeping in touch with the inner code, which was scripted by the Man.

How does that prove God exists?

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2009, 10:53:21 AM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.

So you have not even a shred of evidence to Gods existence, only faith.  Thanks, that is all I wanted to establish.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2009, 10:54:31 AM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2009, 11:06:04 AM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.
Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.

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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2009, 12:25:42 PM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.
Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2009, 12:28:04 PM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.
Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2009, 12:29:09 PM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.

So you have not even a shred of evidence to Gods existence, only faith.  Thanks, that is all I wanted to establish.

Glad I could be of assistance. So now that we have established the futility of proving or disproving God, let us grant this thread the dignity of ebbing away into obscurity.
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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2009, 03:04:04 PM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.
Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.
I am your father.

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Clean your room first and I'll consider it.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2009, 03:07:21 PM »
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.
Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.
I am your father.

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Clean your room first and I'll consider it.

Have you seen my room? Hell no.

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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2009, 04:39:15 PM »
I no longer think this question can be well argued without some reference to Kant. Laymen always get stalled in scientific materialism.
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Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2009, 01:33:50 PM »
I no longer think this question can be well argued without some reference to Kant. Laymen always get stalled in scientific materialism.

TBH I barely even know what that means. I'm such a layman.

Re: /b/'s view on religion
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2009, 03:24:30 PM »
> The simple and rational argument that there is no god:

> 1- Most religions in the world say that they're right, and by consequence the rest of them are wrong.
> 2- At most one of these religions can be right.
> 3- Thus most religions are false.
> 4- Applying inductive reasoning, we can easily realize that because most of the world's religions were invented by man, that all of them share certain facets and lack evidence, thus all of them are probably false and made up.


Unfortunately though, /b/ has made a logical phallacy here...


Of course, this has been pointed out, but as of yet no has used the word phallacy , to my knowledge.
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