Quote from: Raist on February 04, 2009, 09:39:32 AMFind a single organization that isn't.PETA.
Find a single organization that isn't.
We're all jealous of Raist.
Quote from: Proleg on February 04, 2009, 09:45:54 AMQuote from: Raist on February 04, 2009, 09:39:32 AMFind a single organization that isn't.PETA.Now if you aren't going to take this seriously.
Problem of evil paradox is a better argument for there not being a God.QuoteLogical problem of evil 1. God exists. (premise) 2. God is omnipotent and omniscient. (premise ? or true by definition of the word "God") 3. God is all-benevolent. (premise ? or true by definition) 4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise ? or true by definition) 5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise) 6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4) 7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2) 1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways that do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2) 2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1) 3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5) 8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3) 9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise) 10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, evil does not exist, God is not simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient and all-benevolent, or all-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will not necessarily do so immediately when they become aware of it.
Logical problem of evil 1. God exists. (premise) 2. God is omnipotent and omniscient. (premise ? or true by definition of the word "God") 3. God is all-benevolent. (premise ? or true by definition) 4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise ? or true by definition) 5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise) 6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4) 7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2) 1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways that do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2) 2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1) 3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5) 8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3) 9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise) 10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, evil does not exist, God is not simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient and all-benevolent, or all-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will not necessarily do so immediately when they become aware of it.
I'm special.
Marry me.
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Penis tastes like skin.
Especially Marcus. He has a smart brain.
Because we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.
I'm saying that a God that evidently doesn't have any power over the universe nowadays (not seen any miracles recently- but doesn't stop the universe having a creator) might have this built into people, so they have a chance to do good things.Which, believe in God or not, are the right things to do.
Being good. It's just a good idea. If everyone believed in God, it would solve a lot of problems, but some people are ridiculous about it. Actually, just stick to the 10 commandments and it's fine!Let me just say again that I'm not religious, but not killing and stealing etc are rules I follow..
But my point is that the 'fundamentals' of all religions (strange to use that word in a good way when talking about religion) are just common sense. And whether it's because you want to go to heaven, or because you want everyone to have a good life, it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:15:12 AMBecause we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.Begging the question.
Quote from: ragnarr on February 04, 2009, 10:16:27 AMQuote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:15:12 AMBecause we were created in His image, with great potential for both good and evil.Begging the question.I know for the same reason you don't.
By recognizing my divine origins for what they are and keeping in touch with the inner code, which was scripted by the Man.
Look for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.
Quote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AMLook for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.
Quote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 04, 2009, 10:54:31 AMQuote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AMLook for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.
Quote from: Raist on February 04, 2009, 11:06:04 AMQuote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 04, 2009, 10:54:31 AMQuote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AMLook for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.I am your father.
Quote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AMLook for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.So you have not even a shred of evidence to Gods existence, only faith. Thanks, that is all I wanted to establish.
Quote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 04, 2009, 12:25:42 PMQuote from: Raist on February 04, 2009, 11:06:04 AMQuote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 04, 2009, 10:54:31 AMQuote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AMLook for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.I am your father.Sweet, give me money.
Quote from: Raist on February 04, 2009, 12:28:04 PMQuote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 04, 2009, 12:25:42 PMQuote from: Raist on February 04, 2009, 11:06:04 AMQuote from: Dead Kangaroo on February 04, 2009, 10:54:31 AMQuote from: Rex on February 04, 2009, 10:38:44 AMLook for proof all you want, it will never quench a spirit of denial. Try faith.Faith in stupidity results in disappointment.Doubt leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to the darkside.I am your father.Sweet, give me money.Clean your room first and I'll consider it.
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Get the fuck over it.
I no longer think this question can be well argued without some reference to Kant. Laymen always get stalled in scientific materialism.
> The simple and rational argument that there is no god:> 1- Most religions in the world say that they're right, and by consequence the rest of them are wrong.> 2- At most one of these religions can be right.> 3- Thus most religions are false.> 4- Applying inductive reasoning, we can easily realize that because most of the world's religions were invented by man, that all of them share certain facets and lack evidence, thus all of them are probably false and made up.