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Mithre

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A couple of questions
« on: January 27, 2009, 11:57:52 AM »
Hi, I've got a couple of questions about your FE theory which I haven't found answered on here, I've checked the FAQs but if there are answers already please link me  :P.

1. Parallax of Stars
Why is it that stars move in relation to each other?  If everything were moving directly upwards, even if the stars were individual objects, they would not move in relation to each other when we look up.  However throughout the year some stars 'move' in relation to others, and how can FE theory explain this?

2. Differing gravitational fields
If the earth is accelerating upwards uniformly, why are there areas with different 'gravitational fields' to others?  Surely this would suggest that different parts are accelerating at different rates?

3. Eclipses (dark object theory only)
Why are the shapes which pass over the sun and moon when causing eclipses different curvatures if they are made by the same object?

4. Terminal Velocities
If we are not 'pulled downwards' by gravity, what gives rise to a terminal velocity?  Surely an object should accelerate at 9.8m/s/s constantly rather than stopping at a certain speed?

I'm sure I'll think of more but there you go :D
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Rjinswand

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 06:17:18 PM »
If you don't mind, I'd also like to add one that I have not seen answered anywhere on this site:

The Southern Cross
I live in the Southern Hemisphere...to the south, at night, I always see the collection of stars known as the southern cross. And by south, I mean the direction that is opposite to North. I have visited Australia, and Chile during my time on this lovely flat earth and I see the Southern Cross sitting toward the south, albeit at somewhat different angles.
Funnily enough, in the standard flat earth model, this isn't possible. It would mean that the cross is in every single direction all at the same time.

I brought this argument up once, and the ONLY answer that was given was: "Warping of space"

That is what constitutes an "answer" on this site. So don't expect too much substance in any responses you get, friend.
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Jack

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 06:20:56 PM »
Quote from: Mithre on January 27, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
4. Terminal Velocities
If we are not 'pulled downwards' by gravity, what gives rise to a terminal velocity?  Surely an object should accelerate at 9.8m/s/s constantly rather than stopping at a certain speed?
When the upward acceleration of the object (due to drag) equals to the upward acceleration of the Earth, the object has reached terminal velocity.

Quote from: Mithre on January 27, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
2. Differing gravitational fields
If the earth is accelerating upwards uniformly, why are there areas with different 'gravitational fields' to others?  Surely this would suggest that different parts are accelerating at different rates?
It has been noted that certain parts accelerate slower when an object reaches relativistic speed. Also, the gravitational pull of the stars provide tidal effects.
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Theif

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 09:29:08 AM »
So FE doesn't have gravity but the stars do?
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grifoli

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 11:33:43 AM »
Quote from: Theif on January 28, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
So FE doesn't have gravity but the stars do?

Yep.. the Earth is the only thing in the universe that doesn't follow all physics law. FE believers are really creative!
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WastedTime

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 11:39:43 AM »
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: Theif on January 28, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
So FE doesn't have gravity but the stars do?
Yep.. the Earth is the only thing in the universe that doesn't follow all physics law. FE believers are really creative!
Since when gravity is a physics law?
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grifoli

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 11:52:29 AM »
Quote from: WastedTime on January 28, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: Theif on January 28, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
So FE doesn't have gravity but the stars do?
Yep.. the Earth is the only thing in the universe that doesn't follow all physics law. FE believers are really creative!
Since when gravity is a physics law?

From yourdictionnary.com

Gravity: gravitation, esp. terrestrial gravitation; force that tends to draw all bodies in the earth's sphere toward the center of the earth.
Gravitation: the force by which every mass or particle of matter, including photons, attracts and is attracted by every other mass or particle of matter.

Where is the huge difference?
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Quote from: Neil Armstrong
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
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grifoli

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 12:00:35 PM »
Oh ok I know.. yourdictionnary.com is part of the conspiracy because they assume that the gravity is a force that tends to draw all bodies in the earth's sphere toward the center of the earth.
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Quote from: Neil Armstrong
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small.
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niceguybut

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 03:50:57 PM »
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 12:00:35 PM
Oh ok I know.. yourdictionnary.com is part of the conspiracy because they assume that the gravity is a force that tends to draw all bodies in the earth's sphere toward the center of the earth.

I don't want to drag this into another gravity/gravitation argument, but I think anything that describes gravity or gravitation as a force is likely to get short shrift in these 'ere parts.
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markjo

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 04:07:39 PM »
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: WastedTime on January 28, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: Theif on January 28, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
So FE doesn't have gravity but the stars do?
Yep.. the Earth is the only thing in the universe that doesn't follow all physics law. FE believers are really creative!
Since when gravity is a physics law?

From yourdictionnary.com

Gravity: gravitation, esp. terrestrial gravitation; force that tends to draw all bodies in the earth's sphere toward the center of the earth.
Gravitation: the force by which every mass or particle of matter, including photons, attracts and is attracted by every other mass or particle of matter.

Where is the huge difference?
There is a (currently) 46 page discussion thread at the top of this forum.  You may have seen it.  It's called Gravity.  Please read at least the first few pages of it to find out what the big difference is.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19384.0
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EX-Revolver

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 05:31:40 AM »
Quote from: markjo on January 28, 2009, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: WastedTime on January 28, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: grifoli on January 28, 2009, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: Theif on January 28, 2009, 09:29:08 AM
So FE doesn't have gravity but the stars do?
Yep.. the Earth is the only thing in the universe that doesn't follow all physics law. FE believers are really creative!
Since when gravity is a physics law?


Have you ever read/seen your own avatar?..

From yourdictionnary.com

Gravity: gravitation, esp. terrestrial gravitation; force that tends to draw all bodies in the earth's sphere toward the center of the earth.
Gravitation: the force by which every mass or particle of matter, including photons, attracts and is attracted by every other mass or particle of matter.

Where is the huge difference?
There is a (currently) 46 page discussion thread at the top of this forum.  You may have seen it.  It's called Gravity.  Please read at least the first few pages of it to find out what the big difference is.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19384.0
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Ferruccio

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Re: A couple of questions
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2009, 11:37:10 PM »
Quote from: Jack on January 27, 2009, 06:20:56 PM
It has been noted that certain parts accelerate slower when an object reaches relativistic speed. Also, the gravitational pull of the stars provide tidal effects.

You'll have to explain the relativistic part of it.  Special relativity is frequently tossed around without the math to back up the reasoning as to why.

If the pull of the stars produces tidal effects, then it should be seen that the weight of an object on a sensitive scale should vary wildly throughout the day, as stars pass through the sky.  This should be a simple experiment to carry out.  Unfortunately I am without an ultra sensitive scale!
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