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Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?

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Bob28

Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2009, 03:29:13 PM »
i'm not sure how asking for the same level of proof REers are required to give is being narrow minded.  i believe we've been to the moon, i believe that NASA is telling us the truth about all the missions they've conducted, if that makes me narrow minded then i guess i'm narrow minded.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2009, 05:13:09 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on January 09, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
This one is a little stupid.  I mean, this "Moon Ball" could've been used for a variety of things, such as training or something.  It's not really evidence of a moon faking.

Yes. NASA built a hyper-realistic Moon Ball for "training or something."
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2009, 05:14:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 10, 2009, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on January 09, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
This one is a little stupid.  I mean, this "Moon Ball" could've been used for a variety of things, such as training or something.  It's not really evidence of a moon faking.

Yes. NASA built a hyper-realistic Moon Ball for "training or something."
If you watch the video you will see the CM pilot training
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2009, 06:53:06 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 10, 2009, 05:13:09 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on January 09, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
This one is a little stupid.  I mean, this "Moon Ball" could've been used for a variety of things, such as training or something.  It's not really evidence of a moon faking.

Yes. NASA built a hyper-realistic Moon Ball for "training or something."

Tom, I know this may be hard to believe but...

Giant moon ball =/= we never went to the moon
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM »
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for negative proof.

Is your theory composed entirely of fallacies? :P
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2009, 09:12:13 PM »
I don't see how that ball could be used for training. Someone, please explain how it is possible to train on that. It is very obvious that it was used for filming, such specific detail isn't needed for a guy to sit and stare at.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2009, 09:20:14 PM »

Tom, I know this may be hard to believe but...

Giant moon ball =/= we never went to the moon
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That is amazing logic, if there is a replica of something, we have never been there. Let me try: picture of new york skyline = humans have never set foot on manhattan island. model of human brain = brains do not exist. I am going to make a sculpture of you, because then maybe you would no longer exist.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2009, 09:22:02 PM »
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for...proof.

Is my theory composed entirely of fallacies?  ;)

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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2009, 09:23:02 PM »
Quote from: cramerian1 on January 10, 2009, 09:20:14 PM

Tom, I know this may be hard to believe but...

Giant moon ball =/= we never went to the moon

That is amazing logic, if there is a replica of something, we have never been there. Let me try: picture of new york skyline = humans have never set foot on manhattan island. model of human brain = brains do not exist. I am going to make a sculpture of you, because then maybe you would no longer exist.
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Nice strawman, and lrn2quote.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2009, 09:24:25 PM »


Nice strawman, and lrn2quote.
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And nice on you, Mr. Strawman. And learn to spell.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2009, 09:28:04 PM »
Quote from: cramerian1 on January 10, 2009, 09:24:25 PM
And nice on you, Mr. Strawman. And learn to spell.
A meme does not require perfect spelling. And to elaborate, the strawman comment was a reference to a logical fallacy.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2009, 09:28:29 PM »
Quote from: cramerian1 on January 10, 2009, 09:24:25 PM


Nice strawman, and lrn2quote.

And nice on you, Mr. Strawman. And learn to spell.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2009, 09:30:13 PM »
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Bob28

Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2009, 09:51:39 PM »
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for negative proof.

Is your theory composed entirely of fallacies? :P

well we try and provide proof, you wont accept our proof so we want to know why, and then you try and dodge the questions by calling our posts strawmen and saying ad hominem and all these other stupid phrases.  how about just once you just provide answers, not that i really expect you to because you have no answers.  i think its funny how smart you guys try to sound when youre obviously so dumb.
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Cheryl Wiesbaden

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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2009, 09:52:24 PM »
Why should we respond to fallacies?
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Bob28

Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2009, 10:01:01 PM »
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 09:52:24 PM
Why should we respond to fallacies?

PROVE THEY ARE FALLACIES!!!!  how many freaking times must we say it.  if its fake then their must be proof, lets see it.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2009, 10:03:08 PM »
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for negative proof.

Is your theory composed entirely of fallacies? :P

well we try and provide proof, you wont accept our proof so we want to know why, and then you try and dodge the questions by calling our posts strawmen and saying ad hominem and all these other stupid phrases.  how about just once you just provide answers, not that i really expect you to because you have no answers.  i think its funny how smart you guys try to sound when youre obviously so dumb.

I said it was a strawman because it was. And all I have really seen in this thread are ad hominums calling Tom Bishop stupid and an idiot. How about you list those questions, and then maybe we will answer them.
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Bob28

Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2009, 10:04:45 PM »
Quote from: Sexual Harassment Panda on January 10, 2009, 10:03:08 PM
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for negative proof.

Is your theory composed entirely of fallacies? :P

well we try and provide proof, you wont accept our proof so we want to know why, and then you try and dodge the questions by calling our posts strawmen and saying ad hominem and all these other stupid phrases.  how about just once you just provide answers, not that i really expect you to because you have no answers.  i think its funny how smart you guys try to sound when youre obviously so dumb.

I said it was a strawman because it was. And all I have really seen in this thread are ad hominums calling Tom Bishop stupid and an idiot. How about you list those questions, and then maybe we will answer them.

one question, very simple, what proof do you have that the lunar module is a fake made of tape and curtain rods?
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Cheryl Wiesbaden

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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2009, 10:07:11 PM »
Negative proof, straw men and ad hominems are logical fallacies. They are all you seem to employ.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2009, 10:08:52 PM »
Well, the earth is flat and a mission to the moon would be impossible.  Therefore I think it's reasonable for us to at least believe the lunar module is a fake.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2009, 10:10:23 PM »
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: Sexual Harassment Panda on January 10, 2009, 10:03:08 PM
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for negative proof.

Is your theory composed entirely of fallacies? :P

well we try and provide proof, you wont accept our proof so we want to know why, and then you try and dodge the questions by calling our posts strawmen and saying ad hominem and all these other stupid phrases.  how about just once you just provide answers, not that i really expect you to because you have no answers.  i think its funny how smart you guys try to sound when youre obviously so dumb.

I said it was a strawman because it was. And all I have really seen in this thread are ad hominums calling Tom Bishop stupid and an idiot. How about you list those questions, and then maybe we will answer them.

one question, very simple, what proof do you have that the lunar module is a fake made of tape and curtain rods?

I have none as of now; however, I was going on looks, and it does look like it was made out of construction paper. Now my turn, what proof do you have that it is made out of high tech copper paper and titanium/steel alloy support frames.
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Bob28

Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2009, 10:12:55 PM »
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Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: Sexual Harassment Panda on January 10, 2009, 10:03:08 PM
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Once again, RE proponents resort to their classic strategy of asking for negative proof.

Is your theory composed entirely of fallacies? :P

well we try and provide proof, you wont accept our proof so we want to know why, and then you try and dodge the questions by calling our posts strawmen and saying ad hominem and all these other stupid phrases.  how about just once you just provide answers, not that i really expect you to because you have no answers.  i think its funny how smart you guys try to sound when youre obviously so dumb.

I said it was a strawman because it was. And all I have really seen in this thread are ad hominums calling Tom Bishop stupid and an idiot. How about you list those questions, and then maybe we will answer them.

one question, very simple, what proof do you have that the lunar module is a fake made of tape and curtain rods?

I have none as of now; however, I was going on looks, and it does look like it was made out of construction paper. Now my turn, what proof do you have that it is made out of high tech copper paper and titanium/steel alloy support frames.

well i would say that NASA has told us what it was made of but i know what your response to that will be.  so although you dont believe my proof, at least i have something, you have nothing.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2009, 10:22:01 PM »
Once again, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim...
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Bob28

Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2009, 10:24:00 PM »
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 10:22:01 PM
Once again, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim...

you are making the claim that NASA faked the moon landing, so youre right, the burden of proof is on you.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2009, 10:24:50 PM »
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 10:22:01 PM
Once again, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim...
And you guys are claiming that this ball is proof that the moon landing was faked so where does the buden fall then
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2009, 10:32:22 PM »
The flat earth society's views are not dependent on the discussions in these forums. If we believe the moon landing is fake, or the Earth is flat, it is irrelevant until it is brought in the discussion. You came to the site, and are actively trying to convince us we are wrong. I assume the majority of FE'ers are with me when I say that I am not looking to convince anyone of FE. But when RE proponents come to the discussion boards and actively try to convince us of RE, we take it as a courtesy to explain why their alleged proofs are incomplete or completely wrong.

You are trying to convince us of RE, and therefore you make the claim that requires proof. I really couldn't care less what you believe. But I can see why you would attempt to resort to playing 'defense' so to speak, when you realize that you cannot provide any RE proof.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2009, 10:33:30 PM »
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 10:22:01 PM
Once again, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim...

you are making the claim that NASA faked the moon landing, so youre right, the burden of proof is on you.
You are claiming the moon landing occurred. It is not the responsibility of the skeptic to prove something did not happen.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2009, 10:34:12 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on January 10, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Bob28 on January 10, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Cheryl Wiesbaden on January 10, 2009, 10:22:01 PM
Once again, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim...

you are making the claim that NASA faked the moon landing, so youre right, the burden of proof is on you.

No, you're the one claiming that cheap-looking toy was used to go to the moon.  Cearly the burden is on you to prove such an outlandish claim.

remember that this thing was to be used on the moon, the materials and design were fine for the conditions it was used in.  now tell me what proof you have that they faked it since you are claiming they did we've established the burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2009, 10:36:42 PM »
Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 10, 2009, 10:32:22 PM
The flat earth society's views are not dependent on the discussions in these forums. If we believe the moon landing is fake, or the Earth is flat, it is irrelevant until it is brought in the discussion. You came to the site, and are actively trying to convince us we are wrong. I assume the majority of FE'ers are with me when I say that I am not looking to convince anyone of FE. But when RE proponents come to the discussion boards and actively try to convince us of RE, we take it as a courtesy to explain why their alleged proofs are incomplete or completely wrong.

You are trying to convince us of RE, and therefore you make the claim that requires proof. I really couldn't care less what you believe. But I can see why you would attempt to resort to playing 'defense' so to speak, when you realize that you cannot provide any RE proof.
Or maybe we are here so see another side and we are looking for more solid evidence than we are getting at this point since we are the ones coming to you to be convinced then the burden of proof would be on you. Now if you ask us why the earth is round on the round earth society then that burden will fall on us
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Re: Did you know that NASA had a giant "moon ball"?
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2009, 10:38:53 PM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on January 10, 2009, 10:36:42 PM
Or maybe we are here so see another side and we are looking for more solid evidence than we are getting at this point since we are the ones coming to you to be convinced then the burden of proof would be on you. Now if you ask us why the earth is round on the round earth society then that burden will fall on us

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on January 10, 2009, 10:32:22 PM
I am not looking to convince anyone of FE. But when RE proponents come to the discussion boards and actively try to convince us of RE, we take it as a courtesy to explain why their alleged proofs are incomplete or completely wrong.

Walk up to any stranger with a different perspective than you, and ask him to convince you that his view is right. At most you will piss him off. It is not his responsibility to do anything for you.
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