Retroreflectors on the Moon

From the FAQ
Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A: Since sustained spaceflight is not possible, satellites can't orbit the Earth.  The signals we supposedly receive from them are either broadcast from towers or any number of possible pseudolites. However, temporary space-flight is possible. The gravitational pull of the stars and other celestial bodies balances out with the UA and thus allows spacecraft to float freely (Diagram).

Thus, if orbiting the Earth is impossible, it is impossible to leave the Earth's orbit either.

But there is another conspiracy theory in which some people do not believe in the Moon landings. According to NASA, Apollo 11, Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 have left back corner-cube retroreflector on the Moon. The McDonald Observatory and the OCA Laser-Lune telemetry station affiliate with the Cote d'Azur Observatory shoot laser beam on Apollo sites everyday and the laser is reflecting back on Earth (that's how we know the distance between the Earth and Moon). Moon Hoax Believers claim that it is probes that left back these retroreflectors on the Moon (like the unmanned Soviet Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2 rovers).

But no matter if it's Apollo missions or probes that left back retroreflector on the Moon, the fact that they are on the Moon today and still using by observatories in the world today is the proove that it is possible to leave the Earth's orbit. That doesn't proove the Earth is round, but it's a proof that FE theory is wrong again.

The moon has some naturally reflective spots.

The moon has some naturally reflective spots.

That's not true. Moreover, so can you explain me this: In the FAQ, it is written that the moon is at 3000 miles (4828km) above the Earth.

Knowing the speed of light (299 792 458m/s), and knowing the time it takes to a laser beam shot on the Moon by many observatories in the World (non-government, not related to NASA) then reflecting back on Earth, the distance between Earth and Moon is 384 403km.

Explain me this, please.

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on January 01, 2009, 09:56:46 AM

The moon has some naturally reflective spots.

That's not true. Moreover, so can you explain me this: In the FAQ, it is written that the moon is at 3000 miles (4828km) above the Earth.

Knowing the speed of light (299 792 458m/s), and knowing the time it takes to a laser beam shot on the Moon by many observatories in the World (non-government, not related to NASA) then reflecting back on Earth, the distance between Earth and Moon is 384 403km.

Explain me this, please.

The conspiracy uses sky mirrors to increase the distance light travels.

Quote from: Johannes Kepler on January 01, 2009, 09:56:46 AM

The moon has some naturally reflective spots.

No it doesn't. Not sufficiently reflective as to be able to reflect a laser back towards the transmitter.

Have you personally confirmed this or are you taking NASA's word for it?

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Quote from: Johannes Kepler on January 01, 2009, 09:56:46 AM

The moon has some naturally reflective spots.

No it doesn't. Not sufficiently reflective as to be able to reflect a laser back towards the transmitter.

Have you personally confirmed this or are you taking NASA's word for it?

Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Have you confirmed that, or is that what NASA spoon fed to you?

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Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Have you confirmed that, or is that what NASA spoon fed to you?

I witnessed it on TV once.

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Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Have you confirmed that, or is that what NASA spoon fed to you?

I highlighted the part you seemed to have missed

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2009, 09:11:31 PM

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Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Have you confirmed that, or is that what NASA spoon fed to you?

I witnessed it on TV once.

Lots of stuff on TV is fake.

Hello, NASA is not the part of the group that is bouncing the laser beams off of the moon.  How many times does it have to be said?

I have a theory on this, the moon is much closer, and while orbit may be impossible, perhaps we flew a rocket as high as possible then used some sort of cannon to inbed a rover type device into the moon. this device unfolded and aimed a mirrored surface at the earth.

I have a theory on this, the moon is much closer, and while orbit may be impossible, perhaps we flew a rocket as high as possible then used some sort of cannon to inbed a rover type device into the moon. this device unfolded and aimed a mirrored surface at the earth.

So in the next 15 years when the existence of moon landers is proven by NASA and other space agencies this is what your excuse is going to be?

Gotta keep the theory going I suppose.

Here's something that is 100% fact. In the next 15 years this forum will be tested beyond what it is capable of refuting. However, I just know that you guys will find someway to keep this place going.

95% of your argument is based on a conspiracy theory anyways, might as well make it 100%.

If your theory is based on lies, why can't ours be based on theory?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2009, 09:11:31 PM

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Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Have you confirmed that, or is that what NASA spoon fed to you?

I highlighted the part you seemed to have missed

So did you confirm it or was it spoon fed to you?

If your theory is based on lies, why can't ours be based on theory?

What could possibly make me believe that round earth is based on lies?

I have seen nothing but a fictional conspiracy theory.

Quote from: Raist on January 02, 2009, 03:56:39 PM

If your theory is based on lies, why can't ours be based on theory?

What could possibly make me believe that round earth is based on lies?

I have seen nothing but a fictional conspiracy theory.

I agree.

If your theory is based on evidence, why can't ours be based on speculation/hypothesis?

Fixed.

Quote from: Raist on January 02, 2009, 03:56:39 PM

If your theory is based on evidence, why can't ours be based on speculation/hypothesis?

Fixed.

Fixed how?

Quote from: cbarnett97 on January 02, 2009, 10:00:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2009, 09:11:31 PM

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Well being that non NASA organizations point a laser at any point that does not have any mirrors they get nothing in return but when they point a laser at a spot where the lasers are they get a return

Have you confirmed that, or is that what NASA spoon fed to you?

I highlighted the part you seemed to have missed

So did you confirm it or was it spoon fed to you?

Yes While I was in College we visited an observatory and we shot a laser at the moon multiple times

Yes While I was in College we visited an observatory and we shot a laser at the moon multiple times

Did you shoot the laser or did the observatory's machine shoot the laser?

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Yes While I was in College we visited an observatory and we shot a laser at the moon multiple times

Did you shoot the laser or did the observatory's machine shoot the laser?

I shot the laser. One of the joys of school is you get to do interesting things for research projects. I am not sure if they are active in the lunar ranging any more but you can book some time and do it yourself since the observatory is in your neck of the woods.

I shot the laser.

Really? How did you shoot the laser without using a machine?

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I shot the laser.

Really? How did you shoot the laser without using a machine?

He did use a machine. And that actually helps his case because why would a machine lie to him?

He did use a machine. And that actually helps his case because why would a machine lie to him?

If the machine was distributed to the observatory by NASA or its affiliates it would.

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He did use a machine. And that actually helps his case because why would a machine lie to him?

If the machine was distributed to the observatory by NASA or its affiliates it would.

So only NASA can make mirrors and Lasers? The thing is with the mirrors on the moon is that Russia also put some up there and you do not need any affiliation with NASA to use them.

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He did use a machine. And that actually helps his case because why would a machine lie to him?

If the machine was distributed to the observatory by NASA or its affiliates it would.

How do you know they distributed it? Did they program it to lie every time? No, I bet a secret agent working for NASA broke in right after ite purchase and rigged it right?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 03, 2009, 08:23:18 AM

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He did use a machine. And that actually helps his case because why would a machine lie to him?

If the machine was distributed to the observatory by NASA or its affiliates it would.

So only NASA can make mirrors and Lasers? The thing is with the mirrors on the moon is that Russia also put some up there and you do not need any affiliation with NASA to use them.

You right, there were 2 unmanned missions by Russia. They left back 2 differents retroreflector up there. That has nothing to do with NASA.

I'm still repeating that independant observatories shot laser beam on these retroreflectors on the Moon and they use it to calculate the exact distance between the Earth and the Moon (by the way, it isn't 3000 miles).

USA and USSR were co-conspirators.

USA and USSR were co-conspirators.

Oh ok, sorry, is this new from today? What about all independant observatories in the world?