Abortion

Quote from: Raist on December 16, 2008, 05:27:53 PM

The answer isn't sex is evil, it should be informing them

Experts agree.

I trust no site that says that says this of the 32-week abortion which, by the way, does not occur.

Partial-Birth Abortion

Five steps to a partial birth abortion:

   1. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's legs with forceps.
       
   2. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
       
   3. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
       
   4. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the skull.
       
   5. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

That is the most horiffic thing I have read on this entire site.  I think I need a break now.

I trust no site that says that says this of the 32-week abortion which, by the way, does not occur.

No, you're using that as an excuse to dismiss the contents of the article. An internet search for Pia Friis would result in more sources reporting the same thing.

And what part of that abortion description is wrong?

It's plainly biased, it was trying to make abortion look disgusting and cruel, and it's trying to make the liberal Scandinavian countries look bad.

It's plainly biased

Ad hominem. Bias only speaks to the general reliability of the source, and isn't an excuse to dismiss specific cases. Like I said, you could have located multiple other sources stating the same thing with google.

it was trying to make abortion look disgusting and cruel

Stating facts is so dishonest.

It's plainly biased, it was trying to make abortion look disgusting and cruel, and it's trying to make the liberal Scandinavian countries look bad.

You don't have to try to make it look disgusting and cruel.

You know, I hear it makes you blind.

Clearly abortion is wonderful happy experience (I know because GD said so). On weekends abortions should be preformed in public parks and broadcast on TV so we can all be a part of the happy and joyous experience.

Apparently, having an illegitimate child which was only conceived as an accident is a fun and joyous experience. I know, because Althy said so. We should forcefully impregnate all teenage girls, so they can share the fun of caring for an unwanted, unexpected little bundle of joy with a paycheck from McD's, and of course, child support from the unsuspecting father, who skipped town when he found out, since abortion was outlawed. After all, abortion is murder, so every alternative must be the opposite, which means it's good.

Clearly abortion is wonderful happy experience (I know because GD said so). On weekends abortions should be preformed in public parks and broadcast on TV so we can all be a part of the happy and joyous experience.

I'm not often affected by your trolling, Althalus, but in this case you managed to (briefly) fill me with anger. Well played.

Apparently, having an illegitimate child which was only conceived as an accident is a fun and joyous experience. I know, because Althy said so. We should forcefully impregnate all teenage girls, so they can share the fun of caring for an unwanted, unexpected little bundle of joy with a paycheck from McD's, and of course, child support from the unsuspecting father, who skipped town when he found out, since abortion was outlawed. After all, abortion is murder, so every alternative must be the opposite, which means it's good.

Bring back the joy divisions.

Quote from: General Douchebag on December 17, 2008, 11:35:18 AM

It's plainly biased

Ad hominem. Bias only speaks to the general reliability of the source, and isn't an excuse to dismiss specific cases. Like I said, you could have located multiple other sources stating the same thing with google.

Quote from: General Douchebag on December 17, 2008, 11:35:18 AM

it was trying to make abortion look disgusting and cruel

Stating facts is so dishonest.

From the site I found something interesting, all small children are being indoctrinated into religion in Canada. Explain yourself faggot.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=1083934

When does a baby become human?  I don't talk much on this topic because I don't know.  I could never bring myself to do such a terrible thing.  Some people think they aren't human until they exit the womb.  That makes very little sense to me since a matter of minutes doesn't suddenly make you become.  I think a woman has a right to choose, but I also think it's the wrong decision.  And once a mother is into the second trimester....that's just sickening.  This is, of course, in the case of women who were stupid enough to get pregnant in the first place.  It doesn't take rocket science to keep from becoming pregnant.  I think it serves a girl right to have to go through 10 months of misery.  If she doesn't want the baby, what the hell is wrong with adoption?  Shit, the adoptive parents will set you up in a nice apartment with nice things and buy your groceries and pay your bills for the entirety of your pregnancy!  What is so fucking bad about that?  Sounds like a good way to get out of a bad situation to me.  Now I'm just ranting.  This is why I don't talk about abortion. 

Long story short: Abortion: only acceptable in certain conditions. 

From the site I found something interesting, all small children are being indoctrinated into religion in Canada. Explain yourself faggot.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=1083934

Will do. Quebec is basically an autonomous region within Canada. As such, it is allowed to follow it's traditional roots. The first arrivals in Canada from france were traders and Jesuit missionaires. It's tradition. Whether or not it is just is another issue, but that's not what you asked for so I will not make an argument for or against, at the risk of rehashing old debate.

Edit: Upon reading further, I realize that they are being indoctrinated with all religion not just Jesuit beliefs, which is more a statement to Canada's pathetic political correctness than anything.  Forced unity is not unity at all.

Oh, I was demanding Althalus explain why religious people would do that.

Oh, I was demanding Althalus explain why religious people would do that.

Oh, disregard my serious response then and replace it with "also, dongs"

Oh, I was demanding Althalus explain why religious people would do that.

Quebec is having issues with it's immigrant population, thus the latest barrage of multicultural brainwashing.

Quote from: Raist on December 17, 2008, 04:33:03 PM

Oh, I was demanding Althalus explain why religious people would do that.

Quebec is having issues with it's immigrant population, thus the latest barrage of multicultural brainwashing.

Aren't you religious types amazing.

I think it serves a girl right to have to go through 10 months of misery.  If she doesn't want the baby, what the hell is wrong with adoption?  Shit, the adoptive parents will set you up in a nice apartment with nice things and buy your groceries and pay your bills for the entirety of your pregnancy!  What is so fucking bad about that?  Sounds like a good way to get out of a bad situation to me.  Now I'm just ranting.  This is why I don't talk about abortion. 

Long story short: Abortion: only acceptable in certain conditions. 

The problem with that is if you force someone who doesn't want to be pregnant, to be pregnant, there's less likelihood that they'll out the effort in to be healthy and ensure that the foetus is healthy. So unless you want babies to be born with various health problems because their mothers, who never wanted to be in that situation, also didn't give a toss about the foetus and carried on drinking, smoking etc.

Also although most abortions would end up because the people didn't use protection, or used it properly, contraception is still never 100% effective so is it fair to punish someone for contraception failing?

Quote from: Moonlit on December 17, 2008, 04:11:28 PM

I think it serves a girl right to have to go through 10 months of misery.  If she doesn't want the baby, what the hell is wrong with adoption?  Shit, the adoptive parents will set you up in a nice apartment with nice things and buy your groceries and pay your bills for the entirety of your pregnancy!  What is so fucking bad about that?  Sounds like a good way to get out of a bad situation to me.  Now I'm just ranting.  This is why I don't talk about abortion. 

Long story short: Abortion: only acceptable in certain conditions. 

The problem with that is if you force someone who doesn't want to be pregnant, to be pregnant, there's less likelihood that they'll out the effort in to be healthy and ensure that the foetus is healthy. So unless you want babies to be born with various health problems because their mothers, who never wanted to be in that situation, also didn't give a toss about the foetus and carried on drinking, smoking etc.

Also although most abortions would end up because the people didn't use protection, or used it properly, contraception is still never 100% effective so is it fair to punish someone for contraception failing?

No.  As I said, I really don't know where I stand.  I'm against it but for it.  I agree with you on all of your points.  It's just such a terrible thought to me to kill a tiny someone who's never done anything wrong.  It really depresses me the baby will never know what it's like to laugh or play in the snow.  They'll never have a first birthday and never learn their ABC's.  I can't get around that, so I stay on the fence. 

It depresses me more to think of children being born into bad situations, with parents who never wanted them. Thats much worse in my opinion.

It depresses me more to think of children being born into bad situations, with parents who never wanted them. Thats much worse in my opinion.

That's what adoption's for.   

But thats not always going to happen with the unwanted child

But thats not always going to happen with the unwanted child

Okay but not everyone is going to have a wonderful life.  That's how it goes.  We all get delt a hand and it's not perfect.  That's a flawed argument because there are plenty of children born who may have been wanted but have abusive parents.  There are children born who's parents get fed up with their spouse and abandon them.  There are children who's parents die while they are still at a young age.  We can't make everyone's life perfect.  And I don't see how killing them is in any way, shape, or form a solution.

But when an accident happens and you're not ready to have a child and/or can't face the thought of giving birth to your child then giving it up for adoption because you're not in a good situation to raise it, then I think an abortion is one of the better options. Provided that the decision is made early enough (i.e. first trimester)

I also don't think anyone would really know what they would do until they're faced with that choice

But when an accident happens and you're not ready to have a child and/or can't face the thought of giving birth to your child then giving it up for adoption because you're not in a good situation to raise it, then I think an abortion is one of the better options. Provided that the decision is made early enough (i.e. first trimester)

I also don't think anyone would really know what they would do until they're faced with that choice

I was one of those children.  My mother was 19 when she found out she was pregnant with me.  My grandmother thought it would be a better idea for her to abort me.  My mother refused and raised me.  Yeah, I had a shitty childhood and dealt with an addict mother and never knew my father.  I was abandoned at 10 and left to live with my grandparents.  My life sucked.  But I made it through.  I am so glad she chose to have me.  I would prefer shitty life and bad situations any day to death.

But you would have never known life and so wouldnt have missed anything. My friend was also one of those children and I can see how badly it affected him.

But you would have never known life and so wouldnt have missed anything. My friend was also one of those children and I can see how badly it affected him.

You don't think it's sad to miss out on life because no one thought you should have a shot at it?  Religious or not, I think that's something anyone humane would recognize.   Ignorance may be bliss but it's a terrible thought to know a child has to miss out on something as big as life.

But the child hasn't missed out on anything as they will never know that there is such a thing as life. Unless of course there's an afterlife.

That's like defending a murderer because the victim didn't know what they would be missing out on.  "Oh, well, she didn't know she was going to fall in love with him or she would have two children so it's okay."