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Re: Abortion
« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2008, 04:53:41 PM »
Boo-hoo, JC used a perfectly justifiable term for a foetus which happens to sound like a bad thing to you. A parasite is any organism which acquires nutrition by taking it from another organism without its consent.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2008, 07:53:37 PM »
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Murder being illegal is not a moral issue. It is a practical one. We agree everyone has a right to live, so that we will not be killed. Mutual protection.
I agree, but morals and practical values are connected.

I agree, but only in the sense that morals are a way to place practical issues on a pedestal and give them some form of higher meaning.

I agree, but only if you exist.
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Re: Abortion arguement derailled from The "M" word.
« Reply #92 on: January 01, 2009, 09:13:26 AM »
Quote from: Jesus Crotch on December 31, 2008, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: ragnarr on December 18, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: Moonlit on December 18, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on December 18, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
Its different when its concerning something that hasn't been conscious yet

To some extent, I agree.  As soon as a heart starts beating, I think it's no longer just a thing, but a person.

This is the big dilemma, when exactly does a potential life become a life?  When does that life get rights equal to that of the mother?  This is an unanswerable question because it is a question of morality.  Some people believe it is the moment of conception, some believe it is when the fetus becomes viable (able to survive outside the womb) and others believe it starts at birth.  None of these people are right or wrong.  Moral judgment is decided by the people who are in power.

It is for this reason that I believe it should not be legislated.  However, natural checks and balances can be established without forceful regulation.  Morality should be taught by parents, community, religion, but never enforced by government in my opinion.

Ding!  we have a winnar!

Honestly, as an adopted person and a new father, I would have put this in almost the exact same words.

The government needs to keep their damn fingers out of my morals.  My only caveat is that the thousands in America using abortion as birth control are disgusting.

Moonlit, your posts in this thread make me realize why I've always gravitated toward you on this site - your just so reasonable!

In other words, you are against killing this kid, because it is a human being or what not, and yet you have no problem calling it a parasite?
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #93 on: January 01, 2009, 09:31:02 AM »
i agree with you Moonlit, situations like when a girl is raped and gets pregnant or is molested its hard to say that she should have to have the baby.  but thats really the only time i can kind of understand it.  when people have abortions just because they dont want the baby i'm completely against it.  abortion is a really tough issue.
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Re: Abortion arguement derailled from The "M" word.
« Reply #94 on: January 01, 2009, 10:32:55 AM »
Quote from: Secret User on January 01, 2009, 09:13:26 AM

In other words, you are against killing this kid, because it is a human being or what not, and yet you have no problem calling it a parasite?

You mean in your words.  Don't put them in my mouth - that is not what I mean.  What I mean is that if the shoe fits, use it in a sentence.  A fetus is a parasite - that has been made clear through definition. 

I am morally opposed to the use of abortion as a method of birth control, and feel a certain segment of our society in America does just that.  I am also intellectually opposed (note the distinction there) to any government attempting to legislate morality.  I would also hate to be in any of the 'gray areas' I'm sure you're just dying to throw into the mix at this point, but they really aren't relevant to the subject under discussion.  On the other hand, as a Jew, I was tested for Tay-Sachs when my wife got pregnant, and had our baby been found to have Tay-Sachs, we almost certainly would have aborted.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #95 on: January 01, 2009, 01:02:28 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on December 31, 2008, 04:53:41 PM
Boo-hoo, JC used a perfectly justifiable term for a foetus which happens to sound like a bad thing to you. A parasite is any organism which acquires nutrition by taking it from another organism without its consent.
What, do you think people randomly get pregnant? They gave their consent when they got pregnant.

« Last Edit: January 01, 2009, 01:13:26 PM by KingMan »
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #96 on: January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM »
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #97 on: January 01, 2009, 01:08:08 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on December 31, 2008, 04:53:41 PM
Boo-hoo, JC used a perfectly justifiable term for a foetus which happens to sound like a bad thing to you. A parasite is any organism which acquires nutrition by taking it from another organism without its consent.
What, do you think people randomly get pregnant? They gave their consent when they got pregnant.

Consent can be terminated at any time. The only way it is not a parasite is if abortion is allowed.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #98 on: January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #99 on: January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #100 on: January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM »
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #101 on: January 01, 2009, 01:20:55 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

No, we were. Homo Sapiens (The word is sapiens, not sapien, and you're meant to use italics when using Latin in an English sentence) never had 46 chromosomes, Homo sapiens sapiens (us) have 23 pairs, which is how it's supposed to be counted, choice has no bearing on the matter, and no, the parasite is taking the nutrition directly from the hosts bloodstream, and I'm only going to refer to them as parasites and use parasite terminology just to annoy you now.

Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
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Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Don't take definitions from such biased sources, a parasite as defined by Wiktionary (which is just a dictionary, not some evil pro-choice site) is:
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# (biology) A (generally undesirable) living organism that exists by stealing the resources needed by another living organism.

and is defined from the Latin parasitos, one who eats at the table of another.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #102 on: January 01, 2009, 01:22:30 PM »
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #103 on: January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #104 on: January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM »
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2009, 01:27:26 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with paedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.

Knowledge is a powerful thing, it doesn't even need to be on the site. Also, fixed.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2009, 01:28:00 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.

Libertarians are for banishment of the age of consent. (currently their stance is lowering it, their overall goal is abolishment.)

I'm sorry did you use an organization you knew nothing about for information? Very credible source then.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2009, 01:30:26 PM »
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.

Libertarians are for banishment of the age of consent. (currently their stance is lowering it, their overall goal is abolishment.)

I'm sorry did you use an organization you knew nothing about for information? Very credible source then.
So if a retarded person tells you two plus two is 4, he is wrong?
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2009, 01:33:41 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.

Libertarians are for banishment of the age of consent. (currently their stance is lowering it, their overall goal is abolishment.)

I'm sorry did you use an organization you knew nothing about for information? Very credible source then.
So if a retarded person tells you two plus two is 4, he is wrong?

He may or may not be wrong, but he is hardly a credible source.

Also, it's nice to know that you would take advice from a retard.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2009, 02:02:27 PM »
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.

Libertarians are for banishment of the age of consent. (currently their stance is lowering it, their overall goal is abolishment.)

I'm sorry did you use an organization you knew nothing about for information? Very credible source then.
So if a retarded person tells you two plus two is 4, he is wrong?

He may or may not be wrong, but he is hardly a credible source.

Also, it's nice to know that you would take advice from a retard.
Well I've taken advice from your posts before.

Alright that was a low blow, but I actually read the Article and it made perfect sense.  And yes, I would listen to a mentally handicapped person if I knew what he said to be true and it made sense.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2009, 02:03:41 PM »
What if he had a really annoying voice though?
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2009, 02:03:48 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 02:02:27 PM
Alright that was a low blow, but I actually read the Article and it made perfect sense.  And yes, I would listen to a mentally handicapped person if I knew what he said to be true and it made sense.
Would you cite him as your primary source?
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #112 on: January 01, 2009, 02:04:51 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
No, the parasite did not ask for their consent to steal their nutrients.
They are not parasites because if they are, then we are too. They have 46 Chromosomes just like any other Homo-Sapien. They are genetically identical to all other Humans. The baby isn't there by choice, he/she was put there by the mother and father. The mothers body is giving nutrition to the fetus.

Genetics do not decide whether it is a parasite, situation does. The tape worms in your intestines did not choose to be there either, you put them in your mouth. They are still parasites.

(also, i'm willing to bet there are at least a few things you would consider parasites that have 46 chromosomes.
http://www.l4l.org/library/notparas.html

Quoting a group that is ok with pedophilia? Good way to align yourself.
How did you come up with that? I don't see it on the site.

Libertarians are for banishment of the age of consent. (currently their stance is lowering it, their overall goal is abolishment.)

I'm sorry did you use an organization you knew nothing about for information? Very credible source then.
So if a retarded person tells you two plus two is 4, he is wrong?

He may or may not be wrong, but he is hardly a credible source.

Also, it's nice to know that you would take advice from a retard.
Well I've taken advice from your posts before.

Alright that was a low blow, but I actually read the Article and it made perfect sense.  And yes, I would listen to a mentally handicapped person if I knew what he said to be true and it made sense.

The article may make sense, but it also may be completely untrue. Hell, I've seen lots of things make sense that are bullshit (I've said them in the debate forums too)
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #113 on: January 01, 2009, 02:12:07 PM »
Well find something untrue in the article then.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2009, 02:20:33 PM »
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
Well find something untrue in the article then.


The definitions of parasite were hand picked to be ones that specified different species. When a parasitic relationship is simply one where one organism is harmed and the other one benefits.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2009, 02:30:07 PM »
Quote from: Raist on January 01, 2009, 02:20:33 PM
Quote from: KingMan on January 01, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
Well find something untrue in the article then.


The definitions of parasite were hand picked to be ones that specified different species. When a parasitic relationship is simply one where one organism is harmed and the other one benefits.
How many definitions of parasite are there?
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2009, 02:35:21 PM »
There are many, but only correct one, and that is not it, you soporific dullard.
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2009, 02:37:13 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 02:35:21 PM
There are many, but only correct one, and that is not it, you soporific dullard.
Alright I am done with that. If it is a parasite, why does the womans body deliberately support the life? If it was an enemy to the body, wouldn't the body try to kill or get rid of it?
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General Douchebag

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Re: Abortion
« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2009, 02:40:00 PM »
I know through basic biology. Why does a parasite have to be a different species?
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Re: Abortion
« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2009, 02:43:08 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on January 01, 2009, 02:40:00 PM
I know through basic biology. Why does a parasite have to be a different species?
But the body actually helps the fetus. Why would it do this if the fetus is a parasite.
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