Issues and Concerns

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #420 on: September 24, 2009, 06:49:10 PM »
So when is there going to be something new about all this that I haven't read at some point in the past year or so?

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #421 on: September 24, 2009, 10:13:07 PM »
Do you act this way on every other board as well? Do you think the internet is serious business, and you're the only person who understands just how serious it all is?
This is perhaps the only board that I'm very serious about. I've put a lot of effort and thinking into FES since I first joined, and I'm not planning to throw them all into waste any time soon. I've learned much more from this board than I have from education. Really, I've been to other debate boards too, but they were not as enlightening as this one. As a result, I want to take great care of it, and possibly return my favor. I come here to read people's thoughts (I'm pleased, because many of you are intelligent) and learn something from them, whilst expressing my own thoughts along the way; I don't come here to be entertained.

In addition, Daniel takes this site very seriously, as he stated in his sticky. He recognized that a strict moderation should have happened a long time ago, but there were not enough moderators to make it happen. Unless he comes up and gives me a warning about my moderation, I will continue to moderate the way I normally do. Fortunately, I've never received any warnings from him, in PM or on the mod forums. I consider this an approval.

And of course, I don't think the internet is serious business, because I always enter six-digit figures in all of my monetary transactions online for my personal lulz. It's quite fun!

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #422 on: September 24, 2009, 11:36:50 PM »
Sorry Jack, whoever you are, but you were right in your first post.

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This website is a joke, right?

If you're saying this site converted you then you're one of two things: A liar or a fool. What does this have to do with this thread? Well nobody is ever going to take you seriously as a mod so maybe you should quit now.

You may now initiate condescending response.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #423 on: September 24, 2009, 11:57:38 PM »
Well, it seems I guessed wrong. Until Daniel announces that this site is actually nothing but a parody or joke, this site, according to his words, remains to be a serious place for FE discussion.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #424 on: September 25, 2009, 07:29:29 AM »
Sorry Jack, whoever you are, but you were right in your first post.

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This website is a joke, right?

If you're saying this site converted you then you're one of two things: A liar or a fool. What does this have to do with this thread? Well nobody is ever going to take you seriously as a mod so maybe you should quit now.

You may now initiate condescending response.

Jack didn't say that this site converted his beliefs about the shape of the Earth.  All he did was realize that this site wasn't a joke.  There's nothing unusual about that.  Many regulars thought that this site was a joke when they first joined, including me.  There are some people who truly believe that the Earth is flat here.  You calling them liars does not help anything.  As Dogplatter said, George Scott fallacy.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #425 on: September 25, 2009, 10:14:19 AM »
Levee is posting his personal additions to the official FAQ.  Is he supposed to be doing that?

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #426 on: September 25, 2009, 10:33:13 AM »
One example:

John Davis deviates a question on the "infinite plane" into a debate on the variance of gravity...

John Davis is a senior member here. If he wants to claim that his proposition is valid because of some unrelated aspect, all I can do is follow.

I backed it up with the appropriate and correct math to back my point up and heard no more from you.

You heard no more from me because I was banned.

(You do understand what that means?)

I'm not going to debate whether your maths was correct, we can do that elsewhere. You derailed the thread. I was punished for your derailment.

You acted like a child and I will not apologize for my treatment towards you and will treat as such in the future if you act similarly.

From a moderator, this kind of response to a reasonable post is troubling.
I did not derail it, you did.  I was answering his questions.  You continuely harrassed me and drew it out instead of just taking it to the appropriate thread which already existed.

Your post was not reasonable.  They seldom are.

I was unaware you were banned, but am glad you were.   Next time don't spam image macros and post constantly off topic.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2009, 10:56:59 AM by John Davis »
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« Reply #427 on: September 25, 2009, 11:09:35 AM »
You acted like a child and I will not apologize for my treatment towards you and will treat as such in the future if you act similarly.

From a moderator, this kind of response to a reasonable post is troubling.
I did not derail it, you did.  I was answering his questions.  You continuely harrassed me and drew it out instead of just taking it to the appropriate thread which already existed.

There was no harassment, just simple questions. As to who derailed the thread, the thread is there for all to read, quoted and linked in an earlier post here. Lets close this embarrassing issue.

Your post was not reasonable.  They seldom are.

I was unaware you were banned, but am glad you were.

This childish attitude, more pertaining to a visitor than a moderator, isn't one that does you any favours.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #428 on: September 25, 2009, 11:10:31 AM »
Sorry Jack, whoever you are, but you were right in your first post.

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This website is a joke, right?

If you're saying this site converted you then you're one of two things: A liar or a fool. What does this have to do with this thread? Well nobody is ever going to take you seriously as a mod so maybe you should quit now.

You may now initiate condescending response.

Jack didn't say that this site converted his beliefs about the shape of the Earth.  All he did was realize that this site wasn't a joke.  There's nothing unusual about that.  Many regulars thought that this site was a joke when they first joined, including me.  There are some people who truly believe that the Earth is flat here.  You calling them liars does not help anything.  As Dogplatter said, George Scott fallacy.

I never called anyone a liar. Not even Dogplatter. I gave Dogplatter the same opinion featuring the same two choices but not in those exact words I admit. If you claim to believe the Earth is flat then you are either a liar or an idiot. That's all I've ever said. No fallacy, unless you think it's a false dichotomy but seeing as there is not one piece of evidence in favour of the FE hypothesis (and for that matter, not one example of RE evidence being disputed), I think I'm right. These few people may believe it but in that case they are dumb shits.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #429 on: September 25, 2009, 11:12:48 AM »
You acted like a child and I will not apologize for my treatment towards you and will treat as such in the future if you act similarly.

From a moderator, this kind of response to a reasonable post is troubling.
I did not derail it, you did.  I was answering his questions.  You continuely harrassed me and drew it out instead of just taking it to the appropriate thread which already existed.

There was no harassment, just simple questions. As to who derailed the thread, the thread is there for all to read, quoted and linked in an earlier post here. Lets close this embarrassing issue.

Your post was not reasonable.  They seldom are.

I was unaware you were banned, but am glad you were.

This childish attitude, more pertaining to a visitor than a moderator, isn't one that does you any favours.

My attitude is not childish, it is realistic.

I made a single statement that was drawn out by clarification to other parties.  I am sorry no one cared enough to respond to the OPs other concerns.  Neither of these are hardly my fault. 
If you can't argue both sides, you uinderstand neith.er

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #430 on: September 25, 2009, 08:31:34 PM »
Levee is posting his personal additions to the official FAQ.  Is he supposed to be doing that?
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #431 on: September 26, 2009, 04:12:16 AM »
You acted like a child and I will not apologize for my treatment towards you and will treat as such in the future if you act similarly.

From a moderator, this kind of response to a reasonable post is troubling.
I did not derail it, you did.  I was answering his questions.  You continuely harrassed me and drew it out instead of just taking it to the appropriate thread which already existed.

There was no harassment, just simple questions. As to who derailed the thread, the thread is there for all to read, quoted and linked in an earlier post here. Lets close this embarrassing issue.


Embarrassing for who? I've read it, and I agree with John. As neither he nor I was the person who banned you, somebody else obviously agreed too. It seems to me that several people reached the same opinion quite independently, and that you were on the wrong side of that consensus. Deal with it. No-one is responsible for your behaviour but you.
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #432 on: September 26, 2009, 09:37:20 AM »
Sorry Jack, whoever you are, but you were right in your first post.

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This website is a joke, right?

If you're saying this site converted you then you're one of two things: A liar or a fool. What does this have to do with this thread? Well nobody is ever going to take you seriously as a mod so maybe you should quit now.

You may now initiate condescending response.

Jack didn't say that this site converted his beliefs about the shape of the Earth.  All he did was realize that this site wasn't a joke.  There's nothing unusual about that.  Many regulars thought that this site was a joke when they first joined, including me.  There are some people who truly believe that the Earth is flat here.  You calling them liars does not help anything.  As Dogplatter said, George Scott fallacy.

I never called anyone a liar. Not even Dogplatter. I gave Dogplatter the same opinion featuring the same two choices but not in those exact words I admit. If you claim to believe the Earth is flat then you are either a liar or an idiot. That's all I've ever said. No fallacy, unless you think it's a false dichotomy but seeing as there is not one piece of evidence in favour of the FE hypothesis (and for that matter, not one example of RE evidence being disputed), I think I'm right. These few people may believe it but in that case they are dumb shits.

Okay, that claim might be a little controversial, but all I'm saying is that the website isn't a joke, which is all that Jack was saying.  I'll agree that Jack might seem to be somewhat stiff or humorless in comparison to more laid-back mods, but he's right to take his mod duties seriously.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #433 on: September 26, 2009, 11:00:32 AM »
No-one is responsible for your behaviour but you.

Correct. And no one is responsible for handing out bans but the moderators.

If a ban seem to be unfair, in disagreement with the posted rules or too heavy then I'll raise it as an issue.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #434 on: September 26, 2009, 05:01:33 PM »
Has anyone stopped you from rasing it as an issue? The point is we all seem have independently decided that you deserved said ban.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #435 on: September 26, 2009, 05:04:36 PM »
The point is we all seem have independently decided that you deserved said ban.

And my point is well made that anyone can read the quote above and see that it wasn't me that hijacked the thread.

Ergo: Mods are abusing their powaz?

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #436 on: September 26, 2009, 05:08:43 PM »
But nobody agrees with you. If they did, I have no doubt there would be people in here sticking up for you if they thought you'd been 'wronged' (which happens all the time; read over the topic if you don't believe me). However, nobody else seems to share your point of view.


Ergo: you are wrong.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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« Reply #437 on: September 26, 2009, 05:14:34 PM »
But nobody agrees with you. If they did, I have no doubt there would be people in here sticking up for you if they thought you'd been 'wronged'

The Silent Majority have spoken?

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #438 on: September 26, 2009, 07:17:10 PM »
The point is we all seem have independently decided that you deserved said ban.

And my point is well made that anyone can read the quote above and see that it wasn't me that hijacked the thread.

Ergo: Mods are abusing their powaz?

I read the thread, and I really don't see what you're complaining about.  You asked John questions about gravitation, and he answered them.

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #439 on: September 27, 2009, 06:13:57 AM »
Levee just made an addition to his alternative FAQ on the .net site (with an associated post informing us of said addition on this one), claiming that the Beatles did not write their own music and that three of the band members were replaced. Can I ask what exactly this has to do with Flat Earth Theory, and if nothing then what somebody who is spamming the boards with irrelevant nonsense is doing in a moderator position?
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #440 on: September 27, 2009, 06:26:41 AM »
Levee just made an addition to his alternative FAQ on the .net site (with an associated post informing us of said addition on this one), claiming that the Beatles did not write their own music and that three of the band members were replaced. Can I ask what exactly this has to do with Flat Earth Theory, and if nothing then what somebody who is spamming the boards with irrelevant nonsense is doing in a moderator position?

He's right though.
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #441 on: September 27, 2009, 08:04:00 AM »
Levee just made an addition to his alternative FAQ on the .net site (with an associated post informing us of said addition on this one), claiming that the Beatles did not write their own music and that three of the band members were replaced. Can I ask what exactly this has to do with Flat Earth Theory, and if nothing then what somebody who is spamming the boards with irrelevant nonsense is doing in a moderator position?

He seems to believe strongly in his cause:

http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lyrics&action=display&thread=1562

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #442 on: September 27, 2009, 08:52:36 AM »
Levee just made an addition to his alternative FAQ on the .net site (with an associated post informing us of said addition on this one), claiming that the Beatles did not write their own music and that three of the band members were replaced. Can I ask what exactly this has to do with Flat Earth Theory, and if nothing then what somebody who is spamming the boards with irrelevant nonsense is doing in a moderator position?

He seems to believe strongly in his cause:

http://only1rad.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lyrics&action=display&thread=1562

From what I've heard, all of the Beatles songs are based on the tune of Three Blind Mice.
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #443 on: September 27, 2009, 09:38:16 AM »
Simple solution to the Levee problem would be remove mod powers and initiate ignore protocol 1.3

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #444 on: September 27, 2009, 09:40:37 AM »
Simple solution to the Levee problem would be remove mod powers and initiate ignore protocol 1.3

First, we need to convince Daniel that levee is indeed a problem.
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #445 on: September 27, 2009, 09:43:44 AM »
Petition?

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #446 on: September 27, 2009, 09:46:32 AM »
Simple solution to the Levee problem would be remove mod powers and initiate ignore protocol 1.3

First, we need to convince Daniel that levee is indeed a problem.

Yeah, like the way Hara and Raist convinced Daniel that you were a problem.

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« Reply #447 on: September 27, 2009, 09:57:36 AM »
I read the thread, and I really don't see what you're complaining about.  You asked John questions about gravitation, and he answered them.

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No that's not what happened. I suggest you reread the thread.

John Davis deviated a topic about coordinates, air, ozone, navigation, stars, magma etc by insisting that uniform gravity was proof that the earth was an infinite plane. When I questioned these claims I was banned for deviation. ???

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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #448 on: September 27, 2009, 10:01:06 AM »
It could've been worse. levee could have answered you.
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Re: Issues and Concerns
« Reply #449 on: September 27, 2009, 01:09:11 PM »
For now, Levee's work has been added to the religion section in the FAQ. As discussed on the mod forum, we'll make some changes to this in the future.