If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?

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zeroply

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I'm an atheist, but let's assume for the sake of argument that a single God exists and that early religions for the most part reflected what God wants from the human race, no matter how heavily distorted the message. A few hundred years after Christ, the status quo would have been threatened and things would have been going badly for the devil...

The religious movements up to that point were fragmented and thus allowed for a good amount of strife and hedonism. The "peaceful" ones like Hinduism and Buddhism weren't really players on a global level, and were contained well because they did not stress proselytism. However, now you have a new player on the court after Christ. Christianity believes in peace as much as they do in rabid proselytism. This new religion has the potential to suffocate the violence and other assorted fun on a global scale. Even worse, it's spreading like wildfire WITHOUT the good part - violence.

What's the prince of darkness to do?

Can't really run a campaign promoting Satanism - no one goes for that even nowadays. How about creating a new fake religion, which will take the most effective points of Christianity and ensue strife for two thousand more years? Let's see, what can we throw in? How about:

1. Proselytism, proselytism, proselytism. You have to convert others no matter what it takes.
2. If you leave the religion, you are sentenced to death. Talk about a good retention plan.
3. An "us and them" mentality - kill the heathens before the heathens kill us.
4. Allow multiple wives for the wealthy, which means a shortage of women for the poor. A young man who can't find a mate is a wonderful candidate for anger and violence.
5. Codify that questioning the religion means death.
6. Constant reinforcement - you must pray 5 times a day so you don't let your mind drift for more than a few hours at a time.
7. Make sure women are considered close to property, that ensures a constant source of contention.

Before anyone accuses me of being anti-Islam, let me cheerfully point out that I am. I hate all religions so I'm an equal opportunity kind of militant...  :)

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 12:40:21 PM »
What abou that one where John the baptist is a prophet and Jesus is satan?

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 02:48:04 PM »
The Bible is written in such a way that any religion proceeding Christianity has to be assumed a product of Satan.
Read the FAQS.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 02:51:23 PM »
However, now you have a new player on the court after Christ. Christianity believes in peace as much as they do in rabid proselytism.
spreading like wildfire WITHOUT the good part - violence.

I can honestly saying that I'm still laughing.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 06:42:38 PM »
However, now you have a new player on the court after Christ. Christianity believes in peace as much as they do in rabid proselytism.
spreading like wildfire WITHOUT the good part - violence.

I can honestly saying that I'm still laughing.
Initially it spread like that.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 11:29:50 PM »
No, it spreads like that now. Initially, they slew many a heathen in their days.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008, 12:26:49 AM »
No, it spreads like that now. Initially, they slew many a heathen in their days.
So how many people did Paul kill?

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 01:08:47 PM »
I'm not sure that Paul, John, Peter or Jesus killed many people at all, but the early christians were just as rabid as the islamists are now, in their quest to purify or slaughter, so to speak.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2008, 01:23:04 PM »
I'm not sure that Paul, John, Peter or Jesus killed many people at all, but the early christians were just as rabid as the islamists are now, in their quest to purify or slaughter, so to speak.
You mean the Christianized Roman empire? That was a few hundred years after the lives of the original Christians.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2008, 01:25:02 PM »
I'm not sure that Paul, John, Peter or Jesus killed many people at all, but the early christians were just as rabid as the islamists are now, in their quest to purify or slaughter, so to speak.
You are talking about christianity long after jesus. At first they were too few to do anything but be an underground religion.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 02:46:36 PM »
Instead of posting that why you don't try to learn more about Islam and actually read and understand the Quran. When you compare religions like I and Punisher says, read the source of that religion (Torah, Enjeel, Quran...etc) then compare them. I am pretty sure you didn't read the Bible, if you want I can give you an online copy of the Bible to read! and after you read, read the Quran, I am sure your view would change if your not judging based on your emotions :)

A simple example >>>

Ezekiel 9:5-7

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."


There are dozens other verses if your interested to find more you can always read the Bible :) I ask you, is murder against women and Children okay?

Did you know the Allah said in the Quran if someone killed a life its as if he killed whole mankind?

Did you know Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him said that if someone killed innocent non-muslim he will be personally against him in the day of judgment?

I ask you to read again about Islam ignoring your emotions
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"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 02:53:35 PM »
That's what I'm saying.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 02:58:27 PM »
Ezekiel 9:5-7

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."
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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2008, 05:00:11 PM »
There are dozens other verses if your interested to find more you can always read the Bible :) I ask you, is murder against women and Children okay?
The Koran says yes, while Jesus forbade a woman be killed for adultury.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2008, 05:48:21 PM »
Well, it's funny cause, i think that modern Christianity is the perfect response from the devil to God.

HA.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2008, 05:53:35 PM »
Hello, friends. It is your future president John McCain. I would like to announce that Barack Obama is a Muslim terrorist.

Also, God exists. When you look at a building, it must have a builder. Correct? Well... who built the universe? God, of course!
My greatest fear is the Iranians acquire a nuclear weapon and give it to a terrorist organization. And there is a real threat of them doing that.

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ihaveforgivenjesus

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2008, 06:01:49 PM »
well, then, if the world requires a creator because of its complexity, then shouldn't God, who is assuredly a plethora of time more complicated than the Earth, require a creator as well.

WHO CREATED GODDDD.?!?!?

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2008, 06:03:59 PM »
well, then, if the world requires a creator because of its complexity, then shouldn't God, who is assuredly a plethora of time more complicated than the Earth, require a creator as well.

WHO CREATED GODDDD.?!?!?
Man.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2008, 06:06:22 PM »
well, then, if the world requires a creator because of its complexity, then shouldn't God, who is assuredly a plethora of time more complicated than the Earth, require a creator as well.

WHO CREATED GODDDD.?!?!?

Well that's quite a simple question: Jesus did.
My greatest fear is the Iranians acquire a nuclear weapon and give it to a terrorist organization. And there is a real threat of them doing that.

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ihaveforgivenjesus

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2008, 06:07:29 PM »
well, then, if the world requires a creator because of its complexity, then shouldn't God, who is assuredly a plethora of time more complicated than the Earth, require a creator as well.

WHO CREATED GODDDD.?!?!?

Well that's quite a simple question: Jesus did.

HAH. and Jesus.?

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The Anarchist

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2008, 06:40:15 PM »
God could very well have created God insofar as a nonexistent entity can create another nonexistent entity (being itself simultaneously).

Rather a moot point though.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2008, 11:23:34 PM »
I am pretty sure you didn't read the Bible, if you want I can give you an online copy of the Bible to read! and after you read, read the Quran, I am sure your view would change if your not judging based on your emotions :)

A simple example >>>

Ezekiel 9:5-7

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."


There are dozens other verses if your interested to find more you can always read the Bible :) I ask you, is murder against women and Children okay?

Actually, I own a very nice copy of the Oxford World's Classics "The Bible - Authorized King James Version with Apocrypha" which is approximately 4" thick and about the best you're going to find for $17.95 USD.

Last time I checked it, Ezekiel was a book of the OLD testament. Of course the devil wouldn't have a problem with OT - it's violence galore with a locust chaser. We have to restrict ourselves to the New Testament, since I am claiming that the devil's problems began with Christ's teachings. Islam was created right after Christianity started to spread, if the OT had been a serious threat then Islam would have predated Christ.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2008, 05:16:53 PM »
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The Koran says yes, while Jesus forbade a woman be killed for adultury.

Baby read your own so called Holy Book

Let us now see the honor killings in the Bible:

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. [Lev 21:9]

 
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death." [Exodus 21:17]

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." [Leviticus 20:9]
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2008, 05:26:01 PM »
And in the New Testament Jesus forbade honour killings, while sharia law encourages them, stop being such a willing dumbfuck.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2008, 07:02:58 PM »
And in the New Testament Jesus forbade honour killings, while sharia law encourages them, stop being such a willing dumbfuck.

Don't talk without evidance and verses backing your claims :) I am backing my claims based on verses from your own so called Holy Book, stop being what you are now because that's worse than what your stopping me to be  ;D
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
(Translations of Allah's Words)

Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2008, 08:04:42 PM »
And in the New Testament Jesus forbade honour killings, while sharia law encourages them, stop being such a willing dumbfuck.

Don't talk without evidance and verses backing your claims :) I am backing my claims based on verses from your own so called Holy Book, stop being what you are now because that's worse than what your stopping me to be  ;D
So have you read any part of the bible beside the ones that retarded muslim you keep plagiarizing told you to read?

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2008, 12:27:09 PM »
And in the New Testament Jesus forbade honour killings, while sharia law encourages them, stop being such a willing dumbfuck.

Don't talk without evidance and verses backing your claims :) I am backing my claims based on verses from your own so called Holy Book, stop being what you are now because that's worse than what your stopping me to be  ;D

Wow, cryptic racism. I love it!

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2008, 02:34:00 PM »
Wow, cryptic racism. I love it!
Almost as satisfying as mutilating the genitals of a child!

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2008, 03:32:47 PM »
Wow, cryptic racism. I love it!
Almost as satisfying as mutilating the genitals of a child!
Stapling hampsters to the roof is a close second.

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Re: If God exists, would Islam be the perfect response from the devil?
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2008, 08:43:15 PM »
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The Koran says yes, while Jesus forbade a woman be killed for adultury.

Baby read your own so called Holy Book

Let us now see the honor killings in the Bible:

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. [Lev 21:9]

 
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death." [Exodus 21:17]

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." [Leviticus 20:9]


Again, everything you are quoting is Old Testament. Jesus did not teach any of this. In fact, many of his teachings can be construed as corrections to the OT - casting the first stone and so forth.