Mercury and Venus

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Mercury and Venus
« on: October 28, 2008, 12:15:19 PM »
How come you can only see Mercury and Venus during the day?
oh so now the moon is in on the conspiracy too?

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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 12:16:49 PM »
Same reason as in RET.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2008, 12:19:24 PM »
Same reason as in RET.

Because Mercury and Venus orbit the sun closer then Earth does?
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2008, 12:20:15 PM »
Same reason as in RET.

Because Mercury and Venus orbit the sun closer then Earth does?

Because they orbit it very closely.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 12:21:39 PM »
Same reason as in RET.

Because Mercury and Venus orbit the sun closer then Earth does?

Because they orbit it very closely.

So Mercury and Venus are the only planets that orbit the sun? that makes no sense!
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 12:23:02 PM »
So Mercury and Venus are the only planets that orbit the sun? that makes no sense!

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all orbit the Sun as well. So do most comets, asteroids and meteoroids.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 12:24:22 PM »
So Mercury and Venus are the only planets that orbit the sun? that makes no sense!

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all orbit the Sun as well. So do most comets, asteroids and meteoroids.

That still doesn't explain why you can't see Venus or Mercury at night
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 12:24:59 PM »
So Mercury and Venus are the only planets that orbit the sun? that makes no sense!

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all orbit the Sun as well. So do most comets, asteroids and meteoroids.

That still doesn't explain why you can't see Venus or Mercury at night

Mercury and Venus have very small orbital radii, so they don't get far away enough from the Sun to be visible at night.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 12:25:53 PM »
as does the moon?  LOL...too funny...
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 12:26:52 PM »
as does the moon?  LOL...too funny...

 ???
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 12:27:36 PM »
as does the moon?  LOL...too funny...

Um...The moon can be seen during the day...
oh so now the moon is in on the conspiracy too?

Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »
as does the moon?  LOL...too funny...

Um...The moon can be seen during the day...

What does that have to do with anything?

@ Osama: what the hell does  ??? mean?
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 12:31:21 PM »
as does the moon?  LOL...too funny...

Um...The moon can be seen during the day...

What does that have to do with anything?

@ Osama: what the hell does  ??? mean?

I don't understand your point.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 12:32:31 PM »
as does the moon?  LOL...too funny...

Um...The moon can be seen during the day...

What does that have to do with anything?

@ Osama: what the hell does  ??? mean?

I don't understand your point.

Do the planets orbit the sun and moon, or just the sun?  How far apart are the sun and moon?
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 12:34:56 PM »
Do the planets orbit the sun and moon, or just the sun?  How far apart are the sun and moon?

I'm not certain, they probably orbit the Sun though. Their observed motions would have to be applied to the Flat Earth model to determine exactly what they orbit.

The distance between the Sun and Moon varies; when there is a solar eclipse they are no more than a few kilometres apart, and when the moon is full they are about 20 megametres apart.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 07:27:13 PM »
The distance between the Sun and Moon varies; when there is a solar eclipse they are no more than a few kilometres apart, and when the moon is full they are about 20 megametres apart.

Don't you find it rather odd that the sun and moon could come within a few kilometers of each other and yet seem to have no gravitational influence on each other's orbit?  It's a wonder that they don't actually crash into each other.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 07:28:12 PM »
Don't you find it rather odd that the sun and moon could come within a few kilometers of each other and yet seem to have no gravitational influence on each other's orbit?  It's a wonder that they don't actually crash into each other.

They do gravitate towards each other, but they aren't close to each other for long enough to collide.
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 09:32:58 PM »
Don't you find it rather odd that the sun and moon could come within a few kilometers of each other and yet seem to have no gravitational influence on each other's orbit?  It's a wonder that they don't actually crash into each other.

They do gravitate towards each other, but they aren't close to each other for long enough to collide.

???  Check me if I'm wrong, but the moon isn't moving very much faster than the sun, is it?  As you said, the moon approaches to within a few kilometers of the sun.  Gravitation is believed to travel at or near c.  How is it possible for those two bodies not to be close enough for long enough to attract each other enough to cause a collision?  At the very least, the massive gravitational influence of the moon (on the order of a neutron star, if I'm not mistaken) should significantly affect the orbit of the far less massive sun, should it not?  That is unless the sun and moon can produce gravitation, but are immune to it's effects (which would be a serious load of crap, even for you).
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 12:57:48 AM »
Don't you find it rather odd that the sun and moon could come within a few kilometers of each other and yet seem to have no gravitational influence on each other's orbit?  It's a wonder that they don't actually crash into each other.

They do gravitate towards each other, but they aren't close to each other for long enough to collide.

???  Check me if I'm wrong, but the moon isn't moving very much faster than the sun, is it?  As you said, the moon approaches to within a few kilometers of the sun.  Gravitation is believed to travel at or near c.  How is it possible for those two bodies not to be close enough for long enough to attract each other enough to cause a collision?  At the very least, the massive gravitational influence of the moon (on the order of a neutron star, if I'm not mistaken) should significantly affect the orbit of the far less massive sun, should it not?  That is unless the sun and moon can produce gravitation, but are immune to it's effects (which would be a serious load of crap, even for you).

The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 05:42:54 AM »
The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.

I didn't realize that the moon had a magnetic field.  Do you have any verifiable evidence to support that claim? 

It seems that magnetic repulsion should affect the sun's and/or moon's orbit as well.  Any thoughts as to why this is not observed?
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2008, 05:51:44 AM »
The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.

I didn't realize that the moon had a magnetic field.  Do you have any verifiable evidence to support that claim? 

It seems that magnetic repulsion should affect the sun's and/or moon's orbit as well.  Any thoughts as to why this is not observed?

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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2008, 09:48:45 AM »
I didn't realize that the moon had a magnetic field.  Do you have any verifiable evidence to support that claim? 

The fact that it doesn't collide with the Sun.

It seems that magnetic repulsion should affect the sun's and/or moon's orbit as well.  Any thoughts as to why this is not observed?

It is. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2008, 11:17:47 AM »
I didn't realize that the moon had a magnetic field.  Do you have any verifiable evidence to support that claim? 

The fact that it doesn't collide with the Sun.

It seems that magnetic repulsion should affect the sun's and/or moon's orbit as well.  Any thoughts as to why this is not observed?

It is. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libration

Funny how the article you use says the rotation of the moon around the earth cause the libration.  Not it's close encounters with the sun...
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2008, 11:52:43 AM »
The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.

The moon has no global magnetic field.

Prove it.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 12:22:49 PM »
The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.

The moon has no global magnetic field.

Prove it.

Prove that it does.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 12:24:34 PM »
The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.

The moon has no global magnetic field.

Prove it.

Prove that it does.

FET requires it to. You can't disprove FET by saying that the moon has no magnetic field without proving that it doesn't have one.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2008, 12:30:16 PM »
The interaction of the Sun and Moon's magnetic fields at close range causes them to repel one another.

The moon has no global magnetic field.

Prove it.

"The Moon presently has no global magnetic field similar to the Earth's. The observed fields [such as that at Reiner Gamma] are caused by permanent magnetization of parts of the lunar crust," said Lon Hood of the University of Arizona.

The Moon has no global magnetic field. But some of its surface rocks exhibit remanent magnetism indicating that there may have been a global magnetic field early in the Moon's history.

The Moon has no global magnetic field as does Earth. Some lunar rocks are weakly magnetic, indicating that they solidified in the presence of a magnetic field.

Ad infinitum ad nauseum

That isn't proof, that's just showing that others have made the same claim as you that it has no magnetic field. Is there any direct observational evidence that it doesn't have a magnetic field?
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2008, 12:44:29 PM »
That isn't proof, that's just showing that others have made the same claim as you that it has no magnetic field. Is there any direct observational evidence that it doesn't have a magnetic field?

Yes, it was measured during the Apollo missions in the 60s and by the Lunar Prospector in the 90s.

I feel a conspiracy appeal coming...

You do know that sustained space flight is impossible with current technology according to FET, right?
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2008, 12:52:51 PM »
That isn't proof, that's just showing that others have made the same claim as you that it has no magnetic field. Is there any direct observational evidence that it doesn't have a magnetic field?

Yes, it was measured during the Apollo missions in the 60s and by the Lunar Prospector in the 90s.

I feel a conspiracy appeal coming...

You do know that sustained space flight is impossible with current technology according to FET, right?

You always say this yet you fail to tell us how you can keep a stratellite aloft and yet you can't escape the "atmoplane" of flat earth even though we know the higher our altitude the lower the escape velocity actually becomes.
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Re: Mercury and Venus
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2008, 12:54:45 PM »
You always say this yet you fail to tell us how you can keep a stratellite aloft

Buoyancy. We have been through this.
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