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There's nothing about Flat Earth Theory which prevents space travel. Under FE, the moon and stars are satellites which orbit above the earth on a circular path. FE Theory explains why this is possible (cancelation of the DE by the DEF or some guff like that). There's nothing to prevent a man made object (satellite, shuttle etc) doing the same.

FAQ says: "orbit is impossible"

You can't orbit anything in FET, which means to stay in space you need constant propulsion to stop falling back to Earth.

Hobbyists track satellites in their orbits around the world (or around the north pole, for FE terms).  If your statement is true, then how do these tiny satellites have the fuel to keep in orbit constantly for years on end?

See the topic I started below for a link to an article about this http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=24474.0

Stop being so condescending, and maybe I will refute your points. I don't like to debate with people who attack me without good reason, not that what you are doing could be described as "debate" in any case.

We agree here.  Insulting people is not a good way to be taken seriously.  However, post like the one shown below are also not a good way to be taken seriously and cause many people a lot of frustration.  To me this is an obvious troll post to send us RE'ers going back and forth to try to disprove a statement that the original poster just made up in the first place.

Did you see astronauts boarding the shuttle personally? NASA just self destructs the shuttle at a certain altitude and releases foggy chemicals to cover up the debris. Then NASA flys a fake shuttle in from a remote airbase. (US has 200 military bases for a reason)

You don't have any evidence of this, so we don't have to respond to it.

Considering that a shuttle is visible right up to (and possibly beyond) LEO, there's no doubt that it goes up and stays up there. You could probably send it down during the the middle of the day or night, but you'll have the get it back up at most about 40 minutes after you took it down lest various shuttle spotters notice it's missing. There may be various times when you'll have to keep it up anyway as it may be visible during the day or night.

Considering that a shuttle is visible right up to (and possibly beyond) LEO, there's no doubt that it goes up and stays up there. You could probably send it down during the the middle of the day or night, but you'll have the get it back up at most about 40 minutes after you took it down lest various shuttle spotters notice it's missing. There may be various times when you'll have to keep it up anyway as it may be visible during the day or night.

NASA projects holograms into the atmoplane. They don't need to be very high resolution; they just need to be sufficient to keep people from wondering where the shuttle went.

NASA projects holograms into the atmoplane. They don't need to be very high resolution; they just need to be sufficient to keep people from wondering where the shuttle went.

New one on me. Didn't realise there was anything up there to project onto.

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NASA projects holograms into the atmoplane. They don't need to be very high resolution; they just need to be sufficient to keep people from wondering where the shuttle went.

New one on me. Didn't realise there was anything up there to project onto.

Maybe it's the AntiStatic bag? But more likely it works the same way the Bat Signal works. It just bounces back, reflecting off of the tiny particals of water in the air. Think about when you shine a spot light at a fog bank. You can see the light there, right? Same thing with the 'Shuttle' projection.

Quote from: HIPPO on October 27, 2008, 09:45:04 PM

Prove it?  Oh, no wait...

As soon as you're out of atmosphere your fuel consumption goes down to almost nothing, and you ever notice that they drop a huge part of the shuttle off after launch, you know what that carried? Fuel.  Because the initial take off takes almost more fuel than the rest of the trip combined.

So, um, don't make jackshit claims.

Don't apply your RE propaganda to FET and then talk to me like I'm the idiot. You can't orbit anything in FET, which means to stay in space you need constant propulsion to stop falling back to Earth.

They could just be orbiting L1, which could still exist under FET and be closer to the Earth than predicted under RET.

NASA projects holograms into the atmoplane. They don't need to be very high resolution; they just need to be sufficient to keep people from wondering where the shuttle went.

You just made that up.  See my above post.

Quote from: NTheGreat on October 28, 2008, 10:53:51 AM

Considering that a shuttle is visible right up to (and possibly beyond) LEO, there's no doubt that it goes up and stays up there. You could probably send it down during the the middle of the day or night, but you'll have the get it back up at most about 40 minutes after you took it down lest various shuttle spotters notice it's missing. There may be various times when you'll have to keep it up anyway as it may be visible during the day or night.

NASA projects holograms into the atmoplane. They don't need to be very high resolution; they just need to be sufficient to keep people from wondering where the shuttle went.

Wow, that ranks right up there with the mysterious but conveniently placed sky mirrors, gleefully helpful boat-pushing fish, oh and let's not forget the magical-omnidirectional-supersonic wind currents. FET is a fucking merry-go-round of lulz.

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Seriously, if NASA is projecting holograms into the sky, they would need a huge worldwide network of "holographic projectors" to cover all visible satellites, shuttles, the ISS etc. simultaneously. Before you ask: no, I'm pretty sure there are no sky-hologram projectors in my neighborhood.

Not to mention whenever a cloud passes overhead the hologram would be projected onto the cloud.  Like Batman's symbol.   

Seriously, if NASA is projecting holograms into the sky, they would need a huge worldwide network of "holographic projectors" to cover all visible satellites, shuttles, the ISS etc. simultaneously. Before you ask: no, I'm pretty sure there are no sky-hologram projectors in my neighborhood.

Have you confirmed this? That is to say, have you scouted every square metre of your neighbourhood and made sure that nothing is projecting a hologram into the sky?

Not to mention whenever a cloud passes overhead the hologram would be projected onto the cloud.  Like Batman's symbol.  

They actively monitor the weather, and switch off or dim the holograms as clouds pass by.

Have you confirmed this? That is to say, have you scouted every square metre of your neighbourhood and made sure that nothing is projecting a hologram into the sky?

Have you confirmed these projectors exist!?  Have you actually seen one!?

Quote from: MadDogX on October 28, 2008, 02:30:31 PM

Seriously, if NASA is projecting holograms into the sky, they would need a huge worldwide network of "holographic projectors" to cover all visible satellites, shuttles, the ISS etc. simultaneously. Before you ask: no, I'm pretty sure there are no sky-hologram projectors in my neighborhood.

Have you confirmed this? That is to say, have you scouted every square metre of your neighbourhood and made sure that nothing is projecting a hologram into the sky?

Quote from: ragnarr on October 28, 2008, 02:47:03 PM

Not to mention whenever a cloud passes overhead the hologram would be projected onto the cloud.  Like Batman's symbol.  

They actively monitor the weather, and switch off or dim the holograms as clouds pass by.

You know making shit up as you go along is detrimental to your argument...Occam's Razor, the simplest reason is usually always right, but you have to run around and around and make up new laws of physics, conspiracies, technologies, and utter bullshit for your theory.  It's wrong.  Get yourself a paradigm shift.

Have you confirmed these projectors exist!?  Have you actually seen one!?

No.

It's wrong.

Prove it.

No.

Thank you, then can we move on from this until such confirmation is obtained?

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 28, 2008, 03:48:49 PM

No.

Thank you, then can we move on from this until such confirmation is obtained?

No.

Proof that the Earth is round, I have been around the earth and you cannot prove I have not, therefore the earth is round.

Well, I guess you can shut down these forums now since that's settled.

Proof that the Earth is round, I have been around the earth and you cannot prove I have not, therefore the earth is round.

Well, I guess you can shut down these forums now since that's settled.

It is possible to circumnavigate a Flat Earth. See the Flat Earth map for details.

Quote from: NTheGreat on October 28, 2008, 10:53:51 AM

Considering that a shuttle is visible right up to (and possibly beyond) LEO, there's no doubt that it goes up and stays up there. You could probably send it down during the the middle of the day or night, but you'll have the get it back up at most about 40 minutes after you took it down lest various shuttle spotters notice it's missing. There may be various times when you'll have to keep it up anyway as it may be visible during the day or night.

NASA projects holograms into the atmoplane. They don't need to be very high resolution; they just need to be sufficient to keep people from wondering where the shuttle went.

And just what kind of laser power would be required to accomplish that? It comes back to money, now doesn't it? Do you even comprehend the amount of money and manpower to run three very high power tri-color holographic projection lasers per station in a world wide network? You people talk about how Round Earthers believe in science fiction. It seems to me you're using science fiction to patch your theories together. And how do you propose that the crews running the projectors would keep quiet? You're conspiracy is groing more bloated and topheavy by the hour.

And, when are you going to return to my thread to finish the debate? Did you give up or conclude, "I really showed him"? Because as far as I can see, I shot you down, thoroughly.

And just what kind of laser power would be required to accomplish that? It comes back to money, now doesn't it? Do you even comprehend the amount of money and manpower to run three very high power tri-color holographic projection lasers per station in a world wide network? You people talk about how Round Earthers believe in science fiction. It seems to me you're using science fiction to patch your theories together. And how do you propose that the crews running the projectors would keep quiet? You're conspiracy is groing more bloated and topheavy by the hour.

And, when are you going to return to my thread to finish the debate? Did you give up or conclude, "I really showed him"? Because as far as I can see, I shot you down, thoroughly.

We can't know exactly how they accomplish it. That's kind of the point of a conspiracy.

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 04:22:49 PM

And just what kind of laser power would be required to accomplish that? It comes back to money, now doesn't it? Do you even comprehend the amount of money and manpower to run three very high power tri-color holographic projection lasers per station in a world wide network? You people talk about how Round Earthers believe in science fiction. It seems to me you're using science fiction to patch your theories together. And how do you propose that the crews running the projectors would keep quiet? You're conspiracy is groing more bloated and topheavy by the hour.

And, when are you going to return to my thread to finish the debate? Did you give up or conclude, "I really showed him"? Because as far as I can see, I shot you down, thoroughly.

We can't know exactly how they accomplish it. That's kind of the point of a conspiracy.

For crying out loud, I thought it was just a few "Illuminate" at the top. Now it's high power holographic projector crews all over the world. Keeping track of all these patches, tweaks and other BS can't be an easy way to avoid headaches.

It's looking more and more like this entire forum is only for the entertainment of a few to get others to bicker at each other. How's that for a conspiracy, Johnson.

These projectors are only a theory. A much more plausible theory is that NASA launches the space shuttle from a remote airbase of aircraft carrier.

For crying out loud, I thought it was just a few "Illuminate" at the top. Now it's high power holographic projector crews all over the world. Keeping track of all these patches, tweaks and other BS can't be an easy way to avoid headaches.

Or a computer programmer who created an AI that could be installed onto various computers around the world to monitor the holographic projectors, and was subsequently executed to prevent him going public with the information. See: Alan Turing.

It's looking more and more like this entire forum is only for the entertainment of a few to get others to bicker at each other. How's that for a conspiracy, Johnson.

If that's the case, then you've certainly fallen for it, haven't you?

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 04:43:25 PM

For crying out loud, I thought it was just a few "Illuminate" at the top. Now it's high power holographic projector crews all over the world. Keeping track of all these patches, tweaks and other BS can't be an easy way to avoid headaches.

Or a computer programmer who created an AI that could be installed onto various computers around the world to monitor the holographic projectors, and was subsequently executed to prevent him going public with the information. See: Alan Turing.

Okay, but where are you going to hide hundreds of projector stations around the world? And what of the work crews that built them? Are they payed off, too. Forget it, I can shoot down every theory you can come up with faster than you can think of them.

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 04:43:25 PM

It's looking more and more like this entire forum is only for the entertainment of a few to get others to bicker at each other. How's that for a conspiracy, Johnson.

If that's the case, then you've certainly fallen for it, haven't you?

Not really, dealing with many, not all, of the people like I've found on this is forum is very resourceful of me. I can do quick research, increase my literary skills and be entertained by either hard headed stupidity or people who think, but are wrong, that they're superior to others. Actually, I find it quite refreshing. Eventually, I will get board with it, kind of like a cat toying with a crippled mouse.

Have you found anything concerning the physics of... (LOL)... Bendy Light? Or maybe how a magnetic accelerator (rail gun) can cause a ship to only "appear" to go over the horizon, short of shooting at it with it and making it sink.

I eagerly await your reply here or on my thread. Your choice.

See: Alan Turing.

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But anyway, I'm going to look into this whole holoprojector thing. It sounds rather silly.

Okay, but where are you going to hide hundreds of projector stations around the world? And what of the work crews that built them? Are they payed off, too. Forget it, I can shoot down every theory you can come up with faster than you can think of them.

They have been setting up these stations since the 1940s. They had plenty of time to set them all up before satellites started becoming visible in the night sky, without requiring a great number of people to be involved.

Not really, dealing with many, not all, of the people like I've found on this is forum is very resourceful of me. I can do quick research, increase my literary skills and be entertained by either hard headed stupidity or people who think, but are wrong, that they're superior to others. Actually, I find it quite refreshing. Eventually, I will get board with it, kind of like a cat toying with a crippled mouse.

If you say so. Also, irony.

Have you found anything concerning the physics of... (LOL)... Bendy Light? Or maybe how a magnetic accelerator (rail gun) can cause a ship to only "appear" to go over the horizon, short of shooting at it with it and making it sink.

Did you search for Electromagnetic Accelerator, or just assume that you knew what I was talking about?

I eagerly await your reply here or on my thread. Your choice.

Thanks for letting me choose where to post on a forum that I moderate.

What do you say to the millions of people who have watched the launches from Cape Kennedy...

How do you explain the millions of people who claim to see Jesus every now and then? Same thing really. Substitute faith for national pride and viola... people will see anything.

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 06:03:50 PM

Okay, but where are you going to hide hundreds of projector stations around the world? And what of the work crews that built them? Are they payed off, too. Forget it, I can shoot down every theory you can come up with faster than you can think of them.

They have been setting up these stations since the 1940s. They had plenty of time to set them all up before satellites started becoming visible in the night sky, without requiring a great number of people to be involved.

So, where did they get:

Lasers in the 1940s
The computer power to run them to display holographic images

Buddy, you're out of your league.

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 06:03:50 PM

Not really, dealing with many, not all, of the people like I've found on this is forum is very resourceful of me. I can do quick research, increase my literary skills and be entertained by either hard headed stupidity or people who think, but are wrong, that they're superior to others. Actually, I find it quite refreshing. Eventually, I will get board with it, kind of like a cat toying with a crippled mouse.

If you say so. Also, irony.

I obviously did, do you feel the need to tell me? And, what could be ironic about having a blast on your forum.

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 06:03:50 PM

Have you found anything concerning the physics of... (LOL)... Bendy Light? Or maybe how a magnetic accelerator (rail gun) can cause a ship to only "appear" to go over the horizon, short of shooting at it with it and making it sink.

Did you search for Electromagnetic Accelerator, or just assume that you knew what I was talking about?

Oh, no, I only "assumed" to know what a magnetic accelerator is, was I right? Yes. Can it be used to make a ship only look like it's going over the horizon short of sinking it. No.

I gave proof of why a ship looks like it does going over a curved horizon, why won't you reciprocate? Are you in doubt too? Or, are you presumptuous to think that if I only look at the pseudoscience I'll be convinced and mend my ways?

Now, about that Bendy Light thing...

Quote from: PalomarJack on October 28, 2008, 06:03:50 PM

I eagerly await your reply here or on my thread. Your choice.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 28, 2008, 06:14:34 PM

Thanks for letting me choose where to post on a forum that I moderate.

Oh, I would never think of it. But moving my thread around is kind of silly. Was that to show me "who's boss"?

In all actuality, if this forum simply evaporated (does flat earth theory support that?) tonight I would simply find another. Left wing conspiracy websites and forums are "a dime a dozen".

So, where did they get:

Lasers in the 1940s
The computer power to run them to display holographic images

They didn't need to have the computer power necessary; once the installations were in place, it would be a much simpler task to add the computers later. Also, do you really believe that the government doesn't have access to technology far beyond what the general public does?

Oh, no, I only "assumed" to know what a magnetic accelerator is, was I right? Yes. Can it be used to make a ship only look like it's going over the horizon short of sinking it. No.

I gave proof of why a ship looks like it does going over a curved horizon, why won't you reciprocate? Are you in doubt too? Or, are you presumptuous to think that if I only look at the pseudoscience I'll be convinced and mend my ways?

Now, about that Bendy Light thing...

Search for "Electromagnetic Accelerator".

In all actuality, if this forum simply evaporated (does flat earth theory support that?) tonight I would simply find another. Left wing conspiracy websites and forums are "a dime a dozen".

Don't tell me, you're one of those right-wing nutjobs? No wonder you seem to think you're better than everybody else. Also, I moved your thread because it's more appropriate here. I've told you twice before, you aren't the first person to come in here making unsubstantiated claims and thinking they know better than everybody else on this forum. You were asking questions about FET, nothing more, and if you thought this thread was about to spark some kind of debate that hadn't been gone over hundreds of times already, you can take another guess.

Left wing conspiracy websites and forums are "a dime a dozen".

You make it sound like ass kissing, conformist and back patting forums are better.

There is an equal amount of disinformation on a forum like this and a "professional" forum dealing with any other subject.