I have a few questions chaps...

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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #120 on: October 25, 2008, 01:31:53 PM »
Well, "prove the Earth is flat" is both too vague and not actually a question, and I'd like to test whether you do or not, since you're claiming to but refusing to link, I'm guessing not.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #121 on: October 25, 2008, 01:48:51 PM »
How do you guys explain the Horizon? Meaning that the surface that one is observing from is not an infinite plane. On the clearest of days, the only restriction to one's range of sight is the horizon. There can be two explanations for this - one, that the Earth at some point just stops, as if you were looking off the edge of a table (by the way, that means that when something disappears off the Horizon, it kinda just falls off into space, lol). The other is that the Earth is round.

The distance to the horizon is limited by atmospheric density.  The atmosphere is not perfectly transparent.  That line you see is simply the furthest our eyes are able to pierce through the atmosphere.

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Further proof of the Earth being round came after the voyage of Columbus.

Columbus's voyages did nothing to prove the shape of the earth.  Why did you bring him up?  ???

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When Newton discovered and measured the force of gravity, that number could then be tested anywhere the theory was known. Since the force of gravity is roughly the same everywhere on the globe, it could be surmised that the Earth must be spherical.

Or the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 1g.

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If the Earth were not round, whole hemispheres would have different atmospheric pressure and significantly different sea levels.

Explain this.  It sounds like a load of nonsense.

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Also, pictures taken of the Earth in the last 50 years have proved absolutely conclusively that the Earth is round.

Since the earth is flat, these pictures must be fake.

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Ok, so im thinking you're still not convinced. So, how exactly do you explain all the photos of the earth, taken from space? I guess someone photoshopped them all, good old Nasa, back in the 60's firing up their copy of Adobe Photoshop "this will convince them, what we'll do, is just use the circle tool and pretend the earth is round, ha.. success!".

Photoshop obviously didn't exist in the 60s.  Thankfully the pictures produced at that time were quite grainy.  It would have been simple to manipulate the images without the use of a complex graphics program.

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Seriously... video... pictures.. the fact that people have visited space and have seen the round earth.

Of course, we feel that this is all part of the conspiracy.

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You can also observe, with binoculars, ships slowly 'sinking' below the horizon as it sails farther and farther out to the ocean, then watch them come back.

This was, of course, covered above.

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You can also sail or fly around the world.

You certainly can.  The FE is laid out like the emblem on the United Nations seal.  The north pole is in the center and the ice wall (which you incorrectly identify as the continent of Antarctica) lies on the outside.  Traveling east or west you are actually traveling along the arc of a wide circle that goes around the north pole.

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Guys honestly, how on earth (excuse the pun) would something orbit a flat plain?

Nothing can orbit a flat plane.

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You realise the tides wouldnt work they way they do now, actually.. you realise gravity wouldnt quite work.. right?

Why is that?

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Heres another one for you... when we have a lunar eclipse, the earth casts a shadow on the moon. The shadow is, go on... i'll let you answer this one... oh go on, please... its... ROUND.

Yes, since ancient times it's been assumed without evidence that the shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse is that of the earth (which, by the way, is round, just not spherical).  Our theory is that the eclipse is actually caused by what we call the Shadow Object, which is close to the sun and therefore not visible in the night sky.  It's this object that casts a round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.

Hope this answers your questions!  :)
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #122 on: October 25, 2008, 02:25:43 PM »
Mr Roundbottom, you seem to have at least an iota of sense in what you say - in that you are at least a bit patient with us rapscallion REers.

However, I've found this attitude ALOT on this site:

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Since the earth is flat, these pictures must be fake.

Which basically says 'because I'm right, you're wrong' - which is a very closed shut way of debating and very destructive. I've found this all over the place, for example on that list of '100 proofs' which basically say 'some guy said it's flat, so it is', or 'it looks flat, and therefore is' or 'if it's flat, then its not round, therefore it's flat'.

As you can see, these are nonsense arguments, even if you were to switch the words flat and round. It's very dismissive, and very rude.

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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #123 on: October 25, 2008, 02:39:33 PM »
Mr Roundbottom, you seem to have at least an iota of sense in what you say - in that you are at least a bit patient with us rapscallion REers.

However, I've found this attitude ALOT on this site:

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Since the earth is flat, these pictures must be fake.

Which basically says 'because I'm right, you're wrong' - which is a very closed shut way of debating and very destructive. I've found this all over the place, for example on that list of '100 proofs' which basically say 'some guy said it's flat, so it is', or 'it looks flat, and therefore is' or 'if it's flat, then its not round, therefore it's flat'.

As you can see, these are nonsense arguments, even if you were to switch the words flat and round. It's very dismissive, and very rude.

Well, that was just a quick answer to his question.  I didn't see it asked why we believe the earth is flat, just why we dismiss photographic evidence.  We feel it's been sufficiently proven that the earth was flat, with the only experiment in history undergone specifically to determine the shape of the earth.  Have you read Earth Not a Globe

And that's Doctor Roundbottom.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2008, 11:31:47 PM »
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How do you guys explain the Horizon? Meaning that the surface that one is observing from is not an infinite plane. On the clearest of days, the only restriction to one's range of sight is the horizon. There can be two explanations for this - one, that the Earth at some point just stops, as if you were looking off the edge of a table (by the way, that means that when something disappears off the Horizon, it kinda just falls off into space, lol). The other is that the Earth is round.

The distance to the horizon is limited by atmospheric density.  The atmosphere is not perfectly transparent.  That line you see is simply the furthest our eyes are able to pierce through the atmosphere.

Even as a 100% RE'er this is true. Anyone can see that mountains in the distance are obscured by the atmosphere. Varies wildly on the weather though.

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Further proof of the Earth being round came after the voyage of Columbus.

Columbus's voyages did nothing to prove the shape of the earth.  Why did you bring him up?  ???

Um. They actually completely proved the Earth is round. He sailed west (obviously avoiding continents) and still ended up at India. He did this because he fully believed in the round Earth theory and look what happened.

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When Newton discovered and measured the force of gravity, that number could then be tested anywhere the theory was known. Since the force of gravity is roughly the same everywhere on the globe, it could be surmised that the Earth must be spherical.

Or the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 1g.

And is now travelling millions the times of the speed of light ey?

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If the Earth were not round, whole hemispheres would have different atmospheric pressure and significantly different sea levels.

Explain this.  It sounds like a load of nonsense.

Unfortunately, I can't really figure this one out too.

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Also, pictures taken of the Earth in the last 50 years have proved absolutely conclusively that the Earth is round.

Since the earth is flat, these pictures must be fake.

This is kind of thing that good ol' AaronP/sideboob has been talking about. Even if the Earth could be flat, nothing has been proven by anyone. You claim we can't prove the Earth is round, yet none of you can prove the Earth is flat. Since apparently neither of us can prove anything to do with Earth's shape, your argument that the pictures must be fake cause the Earth is flat is entirely invalid.

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Ok, so im thinking you're still not convinced. So, how exactly do you explain all the photos of the earth, taken from space? I guess someone photoshopped them all, good old Nasa, back in the 60's firing up their copy of Adobe Photoshop "this will convince them, what we'll do, is just use the circle tool and pretend the earth is round, ha.. success!".

Photoshop obviously didn't exist in the 60s.  Thankfully the pictures produced at that time were quite grainy.  It would have been simple to manipulate the images without the use of a complex graphics program.

Lol. The whole argument about the photos being faked for 50 years is just plain lunacy. Are they just going to keep doing this for the next 1000 years?

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Seriously... video... pictures.. the fact that people have visited space and have seen the round earth.

Of course, we feel that this is all part of the conspiracy.

Cause the whole world is under some spell by some space agency? What a mind fuck this theory is...

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You can also observe, with binoculars, ships slowly 'sinking' below the horizon as it sails farther and farther out to the ocean, then watch them come back.

This was, of course, covered above.

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You can also sail or fly around the world.

You certainly can.  The FE is laid out like the emblem on the United Nations seal.  The north pole is in the center and the ice wall (which you incorrectly identify as the continent of Antarctica) lies on the outside.  Traveling east or west you are actually traveling along the arc of a wide circle that goes around the north pole.

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Guys honestly, how on earth (excuse the pun) would something orbit a flat plain?

Nothing can orbit a flat plane.

So basically you go straight but in reality physics is just nudging you in an arc to make you think you're going straight? Another mindfuck.

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You realise the tides wouldnt work they way they do now, actually.. you realise gravity wouldnt quite work.. right?

Why is that?

Err. The Earth wouldn't have tides. Its like putting some water in bowl accelerating it straight up and then trying to explain why theres no tides...

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Heres another one for you... when we have a lunar eclipse, the earth casts a shadow on the moon. The shadow is, go on... i'll let you answer this one... oh go on, please... its... ROUND.

Yes, since ancient times it's been assumed without evidence that the shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse is that of the earth (which, by the way, is round, just not spherical).  Our theory is that the eclipse is actually caused by what we call the Shadow Object, which is close to the sun and therefore not visible in the night sky.  It's this object that casts a round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.

Hope this answers your questions!  :)

So basically you're just making up the existence of another stupid 'object' which explains the phenomenon? Shadow Object? What the fuck? So God's like, "Hey I need to convince these people its a round Earth when its actually a flat Earth... hmmm.. I know! Let's put a black disk in front of the Moon everynow and then!"

Like... What the fuck?

You do realise what a mindfuck attempting to believe in the Flat Earth theory is right?

Oh and:

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Recent scholarship[3] has argued that "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat" and that the prevailing view was of a spherical earth.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #125 on: October 27, 2008, 04:48:33 PM »

Lol. The whole argument about the photos being faked for 50 years is just plain lunacy. Are they just going to keep doing this for the next 1000 years?



Indeed.

I love how they seem to manage to edit the videos on the fly during a live launch one of which i have been to. Incredible :D

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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #126 on: October 27, 2008, 06:03:09 PM »
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Further proof of the Earth being round came after the voyage of Columbus.

Columbus's voyages did nothing to prove the shape of the earth.  Why did you bring him up?  ???

Um. They actually completely proved the Earth is round. He sailed west (obviously avoiding continents) and still ended up at India. He did this because he fully believed in the round Earth theory and look what happened.

lolwut?

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When Newton discovered and measured the force of gravity, that number could then be tested anywhere the theory was known. Since the force of gravity is roughly the same everywhere on the globe, it could be surmised that the Earth must be spherical.

Or the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 1g.

And is now travelling millions the times of the speed of light ey?

No.  That's impossible.  Learn relativity.

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Also, pictures taken of the Earth in the last 50 years have proved absolutely conclusively that the Earth is round.

Since the earth is flat, these pictures must be fake.

This is kind of thing that good ol' AaronP/sideboob has been talking about. Even if the Earth could be flat, nothing has been proven by anyone. You claim we can't prove the Earth is round, yet none of you can prove the Earth is flat. Since apparently neither of us can prove anything to do with Earth's shape, your argument that the pictures must be fake cause the Earth is flat is entirely invalid.

Have you read Earth Not a Globe?

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Ok, so im thinking you're still not convinced. So, how exactly do you explain all the photos of the earth, taken from space? I guess someone photoshopped them all, good old Nasa, back in the 60's firing up their copy of Adobe Photoshop "this will convince them, what we'll do, is just use the circle tool and pretend the earth is round, ha.. success!".

Photoshop obviously didn't exist in the 60s.  Thankfully the pictures produced at that time were quite grainy.  It would have been simple to manipulate the images without the use of a complex graphics program.

Lol. The whole argument about the photos being faked for 50 years is just plain lunacy. Are they just going to keep doing this for the next 1000 years?

One would assume they will continue doing it for as long as they can get away with it.

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Seriously... video... pictures.. the fact that people have visited space and have seen the round earth.

Of course, we feel that this is all part of the conspiracy.

Cause the whole world is under some spell by some space agency? What a mind fuck this theory is...

Goes to show how naive the vast majority of the world is.  Even you bought the dogma that Columbus somehow proved the earth round, even though that wasn't even in question at the time.  Washington Irving invented the myth that Columbus proved that the earth is round.

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You can also observe, with binoculars, ships slowly 'sinking' below the horizon as it sails farther and farther out to the ocean, then watch them come back.

This was, of course, covered above.

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You can also sail or fly around the world.

You certainly can.  The FE is laid out like the emblem on the United Nations seal.  The north pole is in the center and the ice wall (which you incorrectly identify as the continent of Antarctica) lies on the outside.  Traveling east or west you are actually traveling along the arc of a wide circle that goes around the north pole.

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Guys honestly, how on earth (excuse the pun) would something orbit a flat plain?

Nothing can orbit a flat plane.

So basically you go straight but in reality physics is just nudging you in an arc to make you think you're going straight? Another mindfuck.

No.  You think you're going straight, but in reality you're actually traveling in a curve.  How would you know you're going straight without a compass?  ???

This is true on a RE too by the way.  Imagine you're fifty feet from the north pole, and you walk east until you find yourself back where you started.  Did you walk in a straight line or a circle?

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You realise the tides wouldnt work they way they do now, actually.. you realise gravity wouldnt quite work.. right?

Why is that?

Err. The Earth wouldn't have tides. Its like putting some water in bowl accelerating it straight up and then trying to explain why theres no tides...

I believe the moon causes the tides.  The heavenly bodies are believed to exert a slight gravitational pull.

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Heres another one for you... when we have a lunar eclipse, the earth casts a shadow on the moon. The shadow is, go on... i'll let you answer this one... oh go on, please... its... ROUND.

Yes, since ancient times it's been assumed without evidence that the shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse is that of the earth (which, by the way, is round, just not spherical).  Our theory is that the eclipse is actually caused by what we call the Shadow Object, which is close to the sun and therefore not visible in the night sky.  It's this object that casts a round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.

Hope this answers your questions!  :)

So basically you're just making up the existence of another stupid 'object' which explains the phenomenon? Shadow Object? What the fuck? So God's like, "Hey I need to convince these people its a round Earth when its actually a flat Earth... hmmm.. I know! Let's put a black disk in front of the Moon everynow and then!"

How very assumptive of you.  We don't believe in God here, and there's no reason for the Shadow Object existing; it just does.

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Like... What the fuck?

You do realise what a mindfuck attempting to believe in the Flat Earth theory is right?

Oh and:

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Recent scholarship[3] has argued that "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat" and that the prevailing view was of a spherical earth.

Ah, so I see you understand why AaronP was mistaken in bringing Columbus up after all.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 06:17:53 PM by Doctor Roundbottom »
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #127 on: October 31, 2008, 10:26:59 AM »
Do not worry thre3dee, no one lives forever. Soon the FE theory will die off then we can laugh about it.

 
 
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #128 on: October 31, 2008, 12:10:55 PM »
Do not worry thre3dee, no one lives forever. Soon the FE theory will die off then we can laugh about it.

What makes you think RET won't die off first?
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #129 on: October 31, 2008, 03:20:36 PM »
I hate noobs.

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« Reply #130 on: November 01, 2008, 06:45:19 AM »
Do not worry thre3dee, no one lives forever. Soon the FE theory will die off then we can laugh about it.

What makes you think RET won't die off first?
Emotional Reason: People's inability to change models easily.
Logical Reason: There is no reason to believe the globe model is wrong.
Logical Reason: The lack of an alternative model supported by evidence.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #131 on: November 01, 2008, 06:48:12 AM »
Do not worry thre3dee, no one lives forever. Soon the FE theory will die off then we can laugh about it.

What makes you think RET won't die off first?

Logical reason: the Earth is round.






...controversial!
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #132 on: November 01, 2008, 12:39:00 PM »
Emotional Reason: People's inability to change models easily.
Logical Reason: There is no reason to believe the globe model is wrong.
Logical Reason: The lack of an alternative model supported by evidence.
Logical reason: the Earth is round.






...controversial!

I was looking for a more objective reason than "we think our theory is correct, therefore it is better". That's essentially what all four of those reasons come down to.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #133 on: November 01, 2008, 12:46:19 PM »
I think therefore I am correct.  That's how it goes, right?
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #134 on: November 01, 2008, 01:30:53 PM »
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I was looking for a more objective reason than "we think our theory is correct, therefore it is better". That's essentially what all four of those reasons come down to.

Is there something wrong with that? Based on the evidence we are provided, we think the Round Earth model is closer to being correct than the Flat Earth model. Therefore, we feel the RE model is better.

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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2008, 01:42:17 AM »
However, that train of thought requires you to have evidence. All you have is Photoshop and lies.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2008, 03:34:45 AM »
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When Newton discovered and measured the force of gravity, that number could then be tested anywhere the theory was known. Since the force of gravity is roughly the same everywhere on the globe, it could be surmised that the Earth must be spherical.

Or the earth is accelerating upwards at a rate of 1g.

And is now travelling millions the times of the speed of light ey?
Relative to me at the surface, the Earth's acceleration is always 1g: I do not feel any changes in the Earth's acceleration. Relative to an inertial observer in the universe, the Earth's acceleration decreases as it approaches the speed of light.

Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2008, 05:37:41 AM »
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However, that train of thought requires you to have evidence. All you have is Photoshop and lies.

The evidence is only all photoshops and lies if you assume that the earth is flat, and thus NASA is lying, in the first place.

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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #138 on: November 02, 2008, 06:46:21 AM »
You have things told to you, or given to you, which you never acquired or tested yourself. We have, and found an FE. So it's perfectly logical for us to assume FE.
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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #139 on: November 02, 2008, 08:09:31 AM »
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You have things told to you, or given to you, which you never acquired or tested yourself. We have, and found an FE. So it's perfectly logical for us to assume FE.

I've yet to see a single test that suggests a FE model is preferable over a RE model. And there's going to have to be something that is told to me rather than tested personally by me. It would be impossible for me to test absolutely every aspect of humanities knowledge.

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Re: I have a few questions chaps...
« Reply #140 on: November 02, 2008, 10:32:16 AM »
Fantastic replys so far guys. Has anyone got a decent answer, an educated one?

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