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Is religion synonymous with the beliefs of god or gods?

Yes.
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No.
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Undecided.
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Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: October 28, 2008, 07:15:16 AM

Religion vs Belief in god(s)?

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KingMan

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2008, 11:00:00 PM »
Atheism.

Is a lack of religion.

I think is a belief in non-existence of a diety.
He is right. If it was not a religion, People would not call themselves anything. They would merely say they do not believe in any religion. But since you classify yourselves as atheist, you are a religion.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2008, 03:54:03 AM »
Atheism.

Is a lack of religion.

I think is a belief in non-existence of a diety.
He is right. If it was not a religion, People would not call themselves anything. They would merely say they do not believe in any religion. But since you classify yourselves as atheist, you are a religion.
We are forced to use the label atheist because there are a lot of theists. If a large percent of the population believed in fairies, we would (at least I would) be forced to consider myself an afariest.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2008, 07:34:44 AM »
Also, that is the weakest argument I've ever heard. I'm a capitalist, and classify myself as a capitalist. Therefore, capitalism is a religion.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2008, 03:18:05 PM »
Also, that is the weakest argument I've ever heard. I'm a capitalist, and classify myself as a capitalist. Therefore, capitalism is a religion.
No, Capitalism is a belief.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2008, 04:10:15 PM »
Also, that is the weakest argument I've ever heard. I'm a capitalist, and classify myself as a capitalist. Therefore, capitalism is a religion.
No, Capitalism is a belief.

I'm sure he agrees, but he is showing the problems with your definition:
But since you classify yourselves as atheist, you are a religion.

Also,
Religion is dependent on faith.
Atheism is structured on a lack of evidence for a deity.
Atheism is not a form of religion.
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If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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KingMan

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2008, 04:14:53 PM »
Also, that is the weakest argument I've ever heard. I'm a capitalist, and classify myself as a capitalist. Therefore, capitalism is a religion.
No, Capitalism is a belief.

I'm sure he agrees, but he is showing the problems with your definition:
But since you classify yourselves as atheist, you are a religion.

Also,
Religion is dependent on faith.
Atheism is structured on a lack of evidence for a deity.
Atheism is not a form of religion.
No, Atheists have faith that there is no God, because you really can't know.
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Parsifal

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2008, 04:18:00 PM »
No, Atheists have faith that there is no God, because you really can't know.

Just like you have faith that when you step outside there won't be a mad gunman waiting to fill you with bits of lead?
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Althalus

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2008, 04:40:57 PM »
No, Atheists have faith that there is no God, because you really can't know.

Just like you have faith that when you step outside there won't be a mad gunman waiting to fill you with bits of lead?
Sure is straw man around here.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2008, 04:43:01 PM »
No, Atheists have faith that there is no God, because you really can't know.

Just like you have faith that when you step outside there won't be a mad gunman waiting to fill you with bits of lead?
Sure is straw man around here.

Not really. There's no evidence for or against either, so by his logic both require faith to either believe in or not believe in. Why don't you never go outside in case somebody is waiting to kill you?
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Althalus

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2008, 04:44:25 PM »
Because there is no reason to believe there is someone waiting to kill me.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2008, 04:45:48 PM »
Because there is no reason to believe there is someone waiting to kill me.

Precisely. Thanks for proving my point.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2008, 04:46:32 PM »
Also, that is the weakest argument I've ever heard. I'm a capitalist, and classify myself as a capitalist. Therefore, capitalism is a religion.
No, Capitalism is a belief.

I'm sure he agrees, but he is showing the problems with your definition:
But since you classify yourselves as atheist, you are a religion.

Also,
Religion is dependent on faith.
Atheism is structured on a lack of evidence for a deity.
Atheism is not a form of religion.
No, Atheists have faith that there is no God, because you really can't know.

Wrong.  If suddenly scientists found evidence of the existence of God, atheists would change their minds.  Fundamental difference between atheists and theists: atheists demand evidence before they believe anything.  Theists believe anything certain people tell them without question.  Atheists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by reliable evidence; theists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by ancient superstition.  You think atheists believe there is no god, period, and you're wrong.  They just don't believe things for which there is no evidence.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2008, 04:48:49 PM »
Wrong.  If suddenly scientists found evidence of the existence of God, atheists would change their minds.  Fundamental difference between atheists and theists: atheists demand evidence before they believe anything.  Theists believe anything certain people tell them without question.  Atheists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by reliable evidence; theists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by ancient superstition.  You think atheists believe there is no god, period, and you're wrong.  They just don't believe things for which there is no evidence.

That's not entirely true. The majority of atheists would do that, but you would get some fundamentalists who would refuse to change their position. Those atheists are just as bad as the fundamentalist theists.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2008, 04:53:31 PM »
Wrong.  If suddenly scientists found evidence of the existence of God, atheists would change their minds.  Fundamental difference between atheists and theists: atheists demand evidence before they believe anything.  Theists believe anything certain people tell them without question.  Atheists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by reliable evidence; theists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by ancient superstition.  You think atheists believe there is no god, period, and you're wrong.  They just don't believe things for which there is no evidence.

That's not entirely true. The majority of atheists would do that, but you would get some fundamentalists who would refuse to change their position. Those atheists are just as bad as the fundamentalist theists.

You're right.  I agree.  There is a small proportion of atheists who are just as dogmatic and rigid in their beliefs as fundamental theists.  But the majority of atheists will admit that if evidence presented itself they would change their opinion.
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Althalus

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2008, 05:00:24 PM »
Because there is no reason to believe there is someone waiting to kill me.

Precisely. Thanks for proving my point.
How so?

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2008, 05:22:35 PM »
Because there is no reason to believe there is someone waiting to kill me.

Precisely. Thanks for proving my point.
How so?

There is no good reason to believe in either unless you're batshit insane.
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Althalus

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2008, 05:29:06 PM »
Because there is no reason to believe there is someone waiting to kill me.

Precisely. Thanks for proving my point.
How so?

There is no good reason to believe in either unless you're batshit insane.
http://www.reasons.org/

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2008, 05:33:57 PM »
There is no good reason to believe in either unless you're batshit insane.
http://www.reasons.org/

Very good. Now, can you come up with reasons for those of us who aren't batshit insane?
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Althalus

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2008, 05:45:22 PM »

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2008, 06:08:10 PM »
Very good. Now, can you come up with reasons for those of us who aren't batshit insane?
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2008, 06:18:56 PM »
Very good. Now, can you come up with reasons for those of us who aren't batshit insane?

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2008, 06:23:52 PM »
See my previous post.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2008, 06:31:46 PM »

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Althalus

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2008, 06:34:46 PM »

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2008, 06:36:38 PM »
http://www.reasons.org/
This site is rather difficult to navigate. Is there a specific section to which we should be directing our attention?

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2008, 07:19:15 PM »
that website is fail
i demand real reasons

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2008, 07:49:24 PM »
I would say that religion is a belief that the universe has some preceding essence or objective meaning to it - whether in the form of a god or not.

It is ultimately an attempt to absolve oneself of the responsibility of choice.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2008, 10:34:52 PM »
Wrong.  If suddenly scientists found evidence of the existence of God, atheists would change their minds.  Fundamental difference between atheists and theists: atheists demand evidence before they believe anything.  Theists believe anything certain people tell them without question.  Atheists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by reliable evidence; theists' thoughts and opinions are shaped by ancient superstition.  You think atheists believe there is no god, period, and you're wrong.  They just don't believe things for which there is no evidence.

That's not entirely true. The majority of atheists would do that, but you would get some fundamentalists who would refuse to change their position. Those atheists are just as bad as the fundamentalist theists.

Like that guy in abdul's thread, who gave the following reason for being an atheist:
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I am an atheist because I've always been, and I always will be.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2008, 03:20:34 AM »
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I am an atheist because I've always been, and I always will be.
meh. I don't belief atheism is justified by indoctrination, any more than any theistic belief.
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