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Is religion synonymous with the beliefs of god or gods?

Yes.
7 (43.8%)
No.
6 (37.5%)
Undecided.
3 (18.8%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: October 28, 2008, 07:15:16 AM

Religion vs Belief in god(s)?

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Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« on: October 25, 2008, 07:15:16 AM »
Isn't a religion without a God redundant? Surely the lack of belief in a god is atheism.

Religion is not necessarily theistic.

Posts like these make me wonder how many people take what side on this.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 07:18:14 AM »
I don't feel that religion is synonymous with a belief in a god. Belief in something supernatural, yes, but not necessarily a deity. Take UFO religions, for example. They believe in aliens, but not in gods, per sé.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 07:36:30 AM »
Hi

I think Religion does have something to do with believe/faith. I am not sure but in my language if it doesn't include Believe/Faith in something you can't see they don't call it Religion but a law. I also agree with Wendy in what he said regarding the belief.
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2008, 07:50:43 AM »
I think you can have belief in something spiritual without religion (eg Deists)
You can't have religion without a belief in something spiritual

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2008, 05:40:35 PM »
Confucianism, Taoism.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2008, 06:00:22 PM »
Atheism.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 06:02:29 PM »

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 06:08:50 PM »
Religion is not synonymous with a supernatural being.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2008, 06:19:48 PM »
I don't think God cares what you queers vote religion and God to be.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 07:40:47 PM »
And I don't care whether he does or not.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 05:34:26 AM »
he definition of religion is so broad and useless it is retarded for you people to debate it.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 07:33:29 AM »

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 10:53:55 AM »
Atheism.

Is a lack of religion.

I think is a belief in non-existence of a diety.
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Wendy

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2008, 10:56:06 AM »
Atheism lacks a "supreme moral code", and it lacks religious rites. Therefore, it is not a religion.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2008, 11:11:54 AM »
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2008, 11:18:54 AM »
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re⋅li⋅gion
   /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.    a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and
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: a world council of religions.
4.    the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.    the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.    something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.    religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8.    Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2008, 11:21:23 AM »
Exactly, atheism has no set 'practices' or 'rituals'

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2008, 11:22:09 AM »
dictionaries only display common usage, they hold no further truth. Everyone, either decide on a coherent definition of religion and discuss it or end the debate. Pure semantic arguments are BORING.
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Wendy

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2008, 11:23:56 AM »
Well, semantics arguments are boring, but understand my point: Atheism isn't a religion, because it has no religious practices. Period. Now, we can discuss religions. Atheism kinds goes with it, though, because it's almost like an opposite.
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Benocrates

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2008, 11:29:50 AM »
It is better to talk of Weltanschauung (world-view) than "religion." Assume a beginning of complete ignorance and build from there, assign characteristics of 'religion' and declare certain types of world-views as that. 
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2008, 11:46:21 AM »
I have yet to find a religious system without any kind of deities. Even Taoism and Buddhism that were pointed out above, have some form of deities in their religious beliefs. I pointed Atheism as a philosophical system that is explicitly based on the notion of non-existence of a god. If one considers it as a religion, than the answer to the poll is no. However, if it is the only example we can find and we know this term was specifically coined up with the intention to deny god(s), then it seems like a perverse example that has nothing to do with the true meaning of religion.

I think I started some thread were I wonder what is the objective of a religion, but it is not important. In my opinion, religion is a system of beliefs that try to answer the inexplicable. The differences between some religions occur because of the time of their inception. Newer religions were faced with fewer problems than soma ancient ones. This would correspond to the shift from polytheism to monotheism. If you look at the polytheistic religions, you would notice that there was a need to explain everyday natural and astronomical phenomena. With the advent of civilizations and science, it came to be known that most of these phenomena occur due to some more fundamental reason and that there is an underlying law that governs them. Attributing these characteristics to a single deity led to monotheism. Hence, the confidence of Moses in the God of Abraham over the polytheistic gods of ancient Egypt. In any case, the need for explaining the inexplicable and giving some reason behind it by invoking supernatural beings leads to the creations of some sort of deities.

The only common question addressed by all of the religions that I know of is what happens after the death of a human being. Hence, the existence of some kind of burial rites in every religion. This is one question that is still not answered by modern science. Here, atheists make a ‘leap of faith’ and say that there is nothing  after our death, or the death of any living being, for that matter. Our body is a synergetic assembly of tissues, chemicals and electrical impulses that, at some point, seize to exist and the feeling of consciousness is lost. Whether you choose to believe in this stance or not is your right. However, notice that most of the monotheistic religions give an elaborate description of what is to happen after our death and, by projecting these events to our current life, they enact a moral code of conduct and a system of observances.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2008, 11:48:55 AM »
I have yet to find a religious system without any kind of deities. Even Taoism and Buddhism that were pointed out above, have some form of deities in their religious beliefs. I pointed Atheism as a philosophical system that is explicitly based on the notion of non-existence of a god. If one considers it as a religion, than the answer to the poll is no. However, if it is the only example we can find and we know this term was specifically coined up with the intention to deny god(s), then it seems like a perverse example that has nothing to do with the true meaning of religion.

I think I started some thread were I wonder what is the objective of a religion, but it is not important. In my opinion, religion is a system of beliefs that try to answer the inexplicable. The differences between some religions occur because of the time of their inception. Newer religions were faced with fewer problems than soma ancient ones. This would correspond to the shift from polytheism to monotheism. If you look at the polytheistic religions, you would notice that there was a need to explain everyday natural and astronomical phenomena. With the advent of civilizations and science, it came to be known that most of these phenomena occur due to some more fundamental reason and that there is an underlying law that governs them. Attributing these characteristics to a single deity led to monotheism. Hence, the confidence of Moses in the God of Abraham over the polytheistic gods of ancient Egypt. In any case, the need for explaining the inexplicable and giving some reason behind it by invoking supernatural beings leads to the creations of some sort of deities.

The only common question addressed by all of the religions that I know of is what happens after the death of a human being. Hence, the existence of some kind of burial rites in every religion. This is one question that is still not answered by modern science. Here, atheists make a ‘leap of faith’ and say that there is nothing  after our death, or the death of any living being, for that matter. Our body is a synergetic assembly of tissues, chemicals and electrical impulses that, at some point, seize to exist and the feeling of consciousness is lost. Whether you choose to believe in this stance or not is your right. However, notice that most of the monotheistic religions give an elaborate description of what is to happen after our death and, by projecting these events to our current life, they enact a moral code of conduct and a system of observances.

Nice.

I would like to add that atheism itself is no more a religion than theistm

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2008, 11:51:47 AM »
I disagree with a few things that guy said, but I'll deal with them later. Quickly, I think it is over-simplified and rather juvenile.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2008, 12:54:11 PM »
Raëlism has no belief in any gods. Aliens, sure, but no gods.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2008, 02:54:17 PM »
Religion is not synonymous with a supernatural being.
Yeah, rereading the title I messed up a bit with the wording, huh.  :-\
Luckily, they got the premise I was aiming for.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2008, 07:05:25 AM »
Global warming: Liberal hoax
The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.

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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2008, 07:21:50 AM »
ugh, either a religion is a subset of worldviews that contain a dogma or the supernatural. Pick your definition and there you go, the bright movement fits into neither of those.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2008, 07:23:51 AM »
A set belief based on faith about the supernatural:
God doesn't exist
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2008, 07:30:46 AM »
First, thats the farthest stretch of 'religion' I have ever heard. Second, faith has no part in it (for most people who I know as non-believers). I hope you're not a troll, because that would mean your just ignorant of the facts and can be corrected.
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Re: Religion vs Belief in god(s)?
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2008, 07:34:22 AM »
hey were arguing the same thing in two topics is it ok to just use the other one.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=24392.0
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Global warming: Liberal hoax
The earth is not getting warmer after all; the effect is really just the prevalence of air conditioning. It just seems warmer when we go outside.