ships disappearing over horizon

Again you have never confirmed this, you are just making it up.

Again you have never confirmed this, you are just making it up.

A stratellite that is not lighter than the atmoplane would have a density thousands of times that of a white dwarf.

Where did you pull that from?

Educated guess.

Quote from: ragnarr on October 29, 2008, 11:55:27 AM

So a stratellite is lighter than our atmosphere 

Give me a break. 

Most things the size of a stratellite are lighter than the atmoplane.

The website states the cubic meter of a stratellite to be 87,450 cubic meters (Length 75m, Width 44m, Height 26.5m).

The Saturn V rocket was 1,117.06 cubic meters (Height 110.6m, Diameter 10.1m).

Sounds pretty big to me.

The website states the cubic meter of a stratellite to be 87,450 cubic meters (Length 75m, Width 44m, Height 26.5m).

The Saturn V rocket was 1,117.06 cubic meters (Height 110.6m, Diameter 10.1m).

Sounds pretty big to me.

Please show a source stating that the Saturn V rocket was heavier than the atmoplane.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 29, 2008, 12:12:41 PM

Quote from: goldstein on October 29, 2008, 12:06:50 PM

Where did you pull that from?

Educated guess.

Based on what?

Based on the altitude of the Sun and Moon.

Quote from: C-Ray on October 29, 2008, 12:21:56 PM

The website states the cubic meter of a stratellite to be 87,450 cubic meters (Length 75m, Width 44m, Height 26.5m).

The Saturn V rocket was 1,117.06 cubic meters (Height 110.6m, Diameter 10.1m).

Sounds pretty big to me.

Please show a source stating that the Saturn V rocket was heavier than the atmoplane.

I didn't quote a source that said anything about how heavy the rocket was in reference to the atmoplane.  I asked that question at Johnston Space Center, but they laughed at me.  I told them it was for you, but they didn't believe me.  You said, most things the size of a stratellite are lighter then the atmosphere.  I simply stated that the Strattelite is a great deal larger in size then the Saturn V rocket.  Simple facts.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 29, 2008, 12:23:52 PM

Quote from: C-Ray on October 29, 2008, 12:21:56 PM

The website states the cubic meter of a stratellite to be 87,450 cubic meters (Length 75m, Width 44m, Height 26.5m).

The Saturn V rocket was 1,117.06 cubic meters (Height 110.6m, Diameter 10.1m).

Sounds pretty big to me.

Please show a source stating that the Saturn V rocket was heavier than the atmoplane.

I didn't quote a source that said anything about how heavy the rocket was in reference to the atmoplane.  I asked that question at Johnston Space Center, but they laughed at me.  I told them it was for you, but they didn't believe me.  You said, most things the size of a stratellite are lighter then the atmosphere.  I simply stated that the Strattelite is a great deal larger in size then the Saturn V rocket.  Simple facts.

Right. I don't understand what relevance this has to anything. If you're making the point that the Saturn V rocket is lighter than the atmoplane, then I agree.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 29, 2008, 12:30:46 PM

Based on the altitude of the Sun and Moon.

In what way?

(grief this is like pulling teeth)

What do you mean, in what way? The atmoplane cannot be any higher than the celestial bodies at its peak, which I would estimate to be 3-4 Mm. Therefore, further south, it would have to be lower, but not too low or it would reach zero thickness before it gets to the edge. That is, assuming the DEF theory is true; I still tend to prefer the Greater Ice Wall, which would see the atmoplane at a constant thickness of probably a few hundred kilometres, with a DEF bow shock above that.

Quote from: C-Ray on October 29, 2008, 12:31:07 PM

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 29, 2008, 12:23:52 PM

Quote from: C-Ray on October 29, 2008, 12:21:56 PM

The website states the cubic meter of a stratellite to be 87,450 cubic meters (Length 75m, Width 44m, Height 26.5m).

The Saturn V rocket was 1,117.06 cubic meters (Height 110.6m, Diameter 10.1m).

Sounds pretty big to me.

Please show a source stating that the Saturn V rocket was heavier than the atmoplane.

I didn't quote a source that said anything about how heavy the rocket was in reference to the atmoplane.  I asked that question at Johnston Space Center, but they laughed at me.  I told them it was for you, but they didn't believe me.  You said, most things the size of a stratellite are lighter then the atmosphere.  I simply stated that the Strattelite is a great deal larger in size then the Saturn V rocket.  Simple facts.

Right. I don't understand what relevance this has to anything. If you're making the point that the Saturn V rocket is lighter than the atmoplane, then I agree.

Cool, sustained space flight is possible.  We have been to the moon.  Also keep in mind, the Saturn V is the largest rocket ever launched.

Cool, sustained space flight is possible.  We have been to the moon.  Also keep in mind, the Saturn V is the largest rocket ever launched.

Non sequitur.

Uh huh. Next time I ask, just say "I made it up". It'll save time.

That's what "educated guess" means. Except that thought goes into an educated guess; it has to be more than a hundred kilometres and less than five megametres. I chose a value somewhere in the middle to be safe.

No that's not what educated guess means. You're just pulling crap out of thin air. It's your DEF/atmoshield/tetronlayer/plaqueguard, surely you can determine how thick it is? Picking a random number between 100 and 5000000 is beyond laughable.

100 and 5000, you mean. A megametre is a thousand kilometres. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix

Yes. But still extremely lame.

Making a guess within a range of an order of magnitude and a half is lame?

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 29, 2008, 01:07:46 PM

Quote from: goldstein on October 29, 2008, 01:03:44 PM

Yes. But still extremely lame.

Making a guess within a range of an order of magnitude and a half is lame?

100 and 5000 is not the same order of magnitude. Good grief, you are studying physics right?!

Two orders of magnitude above 100 is 10000, one is 1000. Therefore, the range is about an order of magnitude and a half.