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Noodle

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« on: May 27, 2006, 08:39:04 AM »
Hi -

Flat earth people, can you explain to me how people who have circumnavigated the globe (Like Ellen MacArthur) have not come to this "ice wall". They have been followed on radar, but have sailed or flown independantly, without the aid of any governments of the world.

And please do not answer with "they are all set up to be part of the conspiracy to" or some other ridiculous answer.

Thanks

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joffenz

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2006, 08:40:48 AM »
Because when circumnavigating, travellers don't usually go near the South Pole. From a distance the ice wall would look like Antartctica and any traveller would have no reason to believe that it's actually an ice wall.

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Noodle

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2006, 08:45:37 AM »
Yes, but how would they circumnavigate a flat earth? Would they not just reach the edge?

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2006, 09:18:36 AM »
The only "edge" is on the other side of the ice wall. Look at the logo on the top of the page.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2006, 09:39:38 AM »
Whenever one CIRCUMnavigates, it is implied they travel in a circle returning to the same point.  As the earth is flat (whether it is a flat circle or a flat rectangle, reguardless of the shape of the outer perimeter), when people circumnavigate the world, they travel in a circle on a flat surface returning to the same place having come full circle.  This is like drawing a circle on a flat desk, or a flat map of the world.  You get the idea.

  The first man most people consider to have circumnavigated the world is Ferdinand Magellan's lieutant Juan Sebastian Del Cano.  He departed from Cadiz, Spain and having crossed the Atlantic, he rounded the tip of South America.  He then crossed the Pacific arriving in the Phillipines.  He then sailed to India and Africa and returned to Cadiz, Spain from whence he had departed.  The entire time he was travelling on water that was all the same flat level reguardless of which point in the world he was at any one time.  (Gravity pulls water and anything else downward and not inward as can be shown from any decent experiment.)  He sailed a rough circle on a flat surface returning to the same place.

  Besides who would be stupid enough to believe in a place where trees grow downwards and rain falls upwards exept for believers in a spherical earth as illogical and unscientific as it is in denial of all common sense?

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 03:09:27 PM »
Quote from: "Dionysios"
Whenever one CIRCUMnavigates, it is implied they travel in a circle returning to the same point.  As the earth is flat (whether it is a flat circle or a flat rectangle, reguardless of the shape of the outer perimeter), when people circumnavigate the world, they travel in a circle on a flat surface returning to the same place having come full circle.  This is like drawing a circle on a flat desk, or a flat map of the world.  You get the idea.

  The first man most people consider to have circumnavigated the world is Ferdinand Magellan's lieutant Juan Sebastian Del Cano.  He departed from Cadiz, Spain and having crossed the Atlantic, he rounded the tip of South America.  He then crossed the Pacific arriving in the Phillipines.  He then sailed to India and Africa and returned to Cadiz, Spain from whence he had departed.  The entire time he was travelling on water that was all the same flat level reguardless of which point in the world he was at any one time.  (Gravity pulls water and anything else downward and not inward as can be shown from any decent experiment.)  He sailed a rough circle on a flat surface returning to the same place.

  Besides who would be stupid enough to believe in a place where trees grow downwards and rain falls upwards exept for believers in a spherical earth as illogical and unscientific as it is in denial of all common sense?

- Dionysios

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2006, 02:11:14 PM »
Noone said things "grew down" or whatever, DOWN is the direction towards the Earth's centre of mass. One can also prove that one is standing on the outside of a spinning object by measuring the (apparent) variation in the strength of gravity due to the varying effect of the centripetal acceleration at different places on the globe.

In your theory, different parts of the world would have to be accelerating at different rates, and altitude would not reduce g in the inverse square which it does.

One can do this as long as one has a very accurate scale, because the difference is still small.

On an Earth of radius 6378100 metres, assuming a day is exactly 24 hours, which it isn't quite, and assuming the Earth is a perfect sphere.

 And using the following rule: (and the rule can be demonstrated by experiment or by math) T

The force to induce circular motion is equal to the object mass, times the radius of rotation, times the square of the angular velocity in radians per second.

Following from this, a 70kg person will feel a centripetal force of about
2.4N at the equator, and zero at the poles, there being no radius of rotation. This translates as appearing 2.4kg lighter. (I only say that because most scales at home measure "weight" in mass units.

The FE model relies on rectilinear acceleration, and so g cannot vary with altitude of location. Measure your weight in different places and it will be apparent.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2006, 10:23:13 AM »
Quote from: "Sas"
One can do this as long as one has a very accurate scale, because the difference is still small.


Yeah yeah, these are great ideas for experiments.  Head first to the equator, then to the poles (keep your head down on the way to the southern one) and let us know the results when you get back.

-Erasmus
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Sas

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2006, 10:31:35 AM »
No point, if I did, you'd say it was fake or accuse me of being an agent of the government... just like you say about the people who actually have done it.
elling people in africa not to use condoms if a crime against humanity. I believe there's a God I just don't believe he is out to make our lives miserable.