Moon librations

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Moon librations
« on: October 15, 2008, 03:09:39 PM »
In FET, the Moon does not rotate. But then why does it liberate?
« Last Edit: October 18, 2008, 03:17:55 PM by Kingcosmo7 »
oh so now the moon is in on the conspiracy too?

Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 05:54:37 PM »
BTW liberations of the moon is where it "wobbles" so that you can see 59% of the moon from earth. (not all at once)
oh so now the moon is in on the conspiracy too?

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Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 07:31:26 AM »
Why couldn't the FE moon experience libration?
Are you asking what causes it, if rotation doesn't?

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Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 01:31:49 PM »
Why couldn't the FE moon experience libration?
Are you asking what causes it, if rotation doesn't?



yes, because I just got off from a thread about the moon phases, and apparently the moon doesn't rotate in FET
oh so now the moon is in on the conspiracy too?

Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 06:46:00 PM »
anyone care to awnser?
oh so now the moon is in on the conspiracy too?

Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 01:17:19 AM »
anyone care to answer?

Well, I will give this a shot...

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In FET, the Moon does not rotate. But then why does it liberate?

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We can't answer that question because we don't have the money to conduct research on something as complex as the nature of the Moon.  We don't even have the money to make a map yet, but you expect us to know something about the nature of the Sun, Moon or stars?

The moon is probably shaped like a dinner plate viewed from the bottom.  Mostly flat, but with edges to keep the magical liquid from spilling off the other side.
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Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2008, 06:33:26 AM »
I would have figured that would have gotten some sort of response by now.

I wonder why the "real" FEers on this forum don't seem to want to explain this.  I realize that it probably might have something to do with the fact that there are no "real" FEers on this site, only REers who think it is more fun to play the Devil's advocate (i.e. OBLSteve).

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Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2008, 07:11:39 AM »
Maybe it is because the topic is called moon "liberations" and is being skipped over.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2008, 12:36:28 PM »
Maybe it is because the topic is called moon "liberations" and is being skipped over.

So the FEers are ignoring the original question because of a typo?  That seems rather closed minded.

How about if I rephrase the question?

In FET, the Moon does not rotate. But then, what causes libration?

Does that make it easier for FEers to answer with it spelled correctly?

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Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2008, 04:49:09 PM »
Maybe it is because the topic is called moon "liberations" and is being skipped over.

So the FEers are ignoring the original question because of a typo?  That seems rather closed minded.

How about if I rephrase the question?

In FET, the Moon does not rotate. But then, what causes libration?

Does that make it easier for FEers to answer with it spelled correctly?

Not what I meant.  There are a lot of silly threads on this forum, and when I first read it I thought the OP really meant some type of moon liberation. 
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2008, 10:24:24 PM »
Perhaps the RE'ers mean to free it from the cruel reign of whatever force is keeping them about the pole.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2008, 06:05:17 AM »
Librations is the proper spelling for the plural of libration. IE more than one libration. If I got here late, I can assure you it's spelled correctly now.

There is no FE response purely because there is no existing FET response that can explain lunar libration. Hell, some FE'ers still assert that the moon is flat. A flat moon cannot librate.

Sun spots are going to do for the sun what lunar libration did for those FE flat moon theories though. Osama bin Steve says they're just small bodies orbiting the sun, which he asserts is still flat... A downward facing flat body can't have easily definable and recurring circular/elliptical orbiting bodies though, and even if it could, those bodies wouldn't show in the way spots and kernels do on the sun... IE on it's surface, and not orbiting above.


This is from this awesome article on the sun.

This shows 6 days of the suns 25 day rotation. I can use cues in this image to make assertions that the sun is not flat, and is in fact spherical. If the sun is spherical, and the moon and all other planets and their orbital bodies are spherical, that leaves the earth odd man out in FET. "Chicken-sheep", and "They're just different" arguments are insufficient to explain why the earth is the only flat planet among it's exclusively round brethren.
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Re: Moon liberations
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008, 07:28:28 AM »
Why couldn't the FE moon experience libration?
Are you asking what causes it, if rotation doesn't?



Did you have a theory on what causes lunar libration in FET, or were you just testing Kingcosmo7? In FET is seems like it would need a focal, and libration is not phase or seasonal dependent. IE that focal is not the sun, and not the northern attractor. Lunar libration in RET is caused by eccentricities in the moons orbit. It's extent can last for a lunar cycle like the wiki anim, or longer-shorter durations. Under ideal conditions a libration could last several months. I'm not saying that's likely to happen any time soon, but I'm not saying it's unlikely either. If I did, it'd happen just to prove me wrong. Murphy's Law always takes precedent, and Murphy's law has never been my friend.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2008, 10:55:07 AM »
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2008, 11:52:02 AM »
The moon just wobbles throughout the year as it passes by overhead. I don't see what the big deal is.

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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2008, 12:15:22 PM »
Once again, Tom brings enlightenment to are discussion.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2008, 12:37:19 PM »
Damn straight. Its a pretty good explanation. Whats the big deal?

Re: Moon librations
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2008, 12:56:28 PM »
The moon just wobbles throughout the year as it passes by overhead. I don't see what the big deal is.

Why does it wobble? What supplies this angular momentum?

Re: Moon librations
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2008, 01:20:17 PM »
The moon just wobbles throughout the year as it passes by overhead. I don't see what the big deal is.

If your house just magically got up and wobbled around, would you think it's not a big deal? would you think that "oh its just wobbling, i don't see a big deal, i mean maybe things just magically wobble"
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2008, 10:49:27 PM »
The moon just wobbles throughout the year as it passes by overhead. I don't see what the big deal is.

Why does it wobble? What supplies this angular momentum?

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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2008, 12:06:41 AM »
which he asserts is still flat

Wrong.

What exactly is the shape of the sun then? Is it round now? Parabolic? An oblate spheroid? Enlighten me.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2008, 12:29:08 AM »
The moon just wobbles throughout the year as it passes by overhead. I don't see what the big deal is.

Why does it wobble? What supplies this angular momentum?

What eddies?

EXPLAIN your the things you claim to be true! What the hell is wrong with FE'ers not explaining a single thing they believe in?! They just state it and we're expected to believe it. Explain the eddies... What? You can't?

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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2008, 06:17:52 PM »
which he asserts is still flat

Wrong.

What exactly is the shape of the sun then? Is it round now? Parabolic? An oblate spheroid? Enlighten me.

Roughly spherical.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2008, 07:55:18 PM »
which he asserts is still flat

Wrong.

What exactly is the shape of the sun then? Is it round now? Parabolic? An oblate spheroid? Enlighten me.

Roughly spherical.

So, it's what? An ovoid? Egg shaped? Which is it? Or does it just change shape whenever? I thought you guys said it was a "spotlight". If so, why does the image not change to an oval shape due to perspective the farther you get from it or it gets from you? And don't pile on the Magic Bendy Light BS, it won't fly.

By the way, what powers this "spotlight"? What's the type of light in it? Halogen, Xenon discharge, mercury vapor or maybe incandescent? What happens if the electric bill isn't paid? Do our crops fail, bats come out 24 hours a day and not get any rest?

And no, I am not being sarcastic. I can answer the same kind of questions, I learned them in highschool. The sun is spherical with a very slight ovoid shape do to rotation. It's energy comes from the fusion of primarily Hydrogen into Helium. It rotates it about 26 days. It is a main sequence star that is about half way through it's life span. It's is a Yellow dwarf. The Earths orbit has approximately a 93 million mile radius.

The only equivalent answers given by the flat earthers is; bendy light, it just is, it's not for us to know and hints that it's magic.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2008, 08:22:24 PM »
So, it's what? An ovoid? Egg shaped? Which is it? Or does it just change shape whenever?

It isn't possible for anything to be a perfect sphere. The Sun most closely approximates a spherical shape, of all the regular three-dimensional objects.

I thought you guys said it was a "spotlight". If so, why does the image not change to an oval shape due to perspective the farther you get from it or it gets from you? And don't pile on the Magic Bendy Light BS, it won't fly.

If you're going to dismiss the bendy light theory, at least provide reasons why it won't work. I could just as easily dismiss parts of RET without explaining why they aren't true.

By the way, what powers this "spotlight"? What's the type of light in it? Halogen, Xenon discharge, mercury vapor or maybe incandescent? What happens if the electric bill isn't paid? Do our crops fail, bats come out 24 hours a day and not get any rest?

Direct matter to energy conversion by an unknown mechanism.

And no, I am not being sarcastic. I can answer the same kind of questions, I learned them in highschool.

I bet they also told you that electrons in atoms are like planets in the Solar System in high school, didn't they?

The sun is spherical with a very slight ovoid shape do to rotation.

Apparently one of the things you didn't learn in high school was the rules of English grammar. Also, if it has a slight ovoid shape, it isn't spherical. Try not to contradict yourself so much.

It's energy comes from the fusion of primarily Hydrogen into Helium.

"Primarily"? Tell me, what other fusion process goes on in the RE Sun? I'd be very interested to know.

It rotates it about 26 days.

Not all of it.

It is a main sequence star that is about half way through it's life span.

I could quote things I've learned verbatim too, but that doesn't make for a very interesting debate. Think more.

It's is a Yellow dwarf.

lol

The Earths orbit has approximately a 93 million mile radius.

According to RET, that is correct. Wikipedia could tell you that. What is your point?

The only equivalent answers given by the flat earthers is; bendy light, it just is, it's not for us to know and hints that it's magic.

FET is still a developing theory. Just because we don't have all the answers doesn't mean we aren't searching for them.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2008, 03:49:13 AM »
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If you're going to dismiss the bendy light theory, at least provide reasons why it won't work.

If the bendy light hypothesis was correct, then there would be no evidence for a FE and thus there would be no reason for the hypothesis in the first place.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2008, 06:05:19 AM »
It's energy comes from the fusion of primarily Hydrogen into Helium.

"Primarily"? Tell me, what other fusion process goes on in the RE Sun? I'd be very interested to know.

Still believing what you learned in high school? Deuterium-3Helium and CNO cycle fusion reactions are both present in the sun. The proton-proton chain dominates, but is not the only reaction going on.

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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2008, 10:49:09 AM »
It's energy comes from the fusion of primarily Hydrogen into Helium.

"Primarily"? Tell me, what other fusion process goes on in the RE Sun? I'd be very interested to know.

Still believing what you learned in high school? Deuterium-3Helium and CNO cycle fusion reactions are both present in the sun. The proton-proton chain dominates, but is not the only reaction going on.

Deuterium is a form of hydrogen. Though if the CNO cycle is indeed present, I stand corrected, and I do apologise. I thought that the CNO cycle only manifested itself in the red giant stage.
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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2008, 03:47:02 PM »
It's energy comes from the fusion of primarily Hydrogen into Helium.

"Primarily"? Tell me, what other fusion process goes on in the RE Sun? I'd be very interested to know.

Still believing what you learned in high school? Deuterium-3Helium and CNO cycle fusion reactions are both present in the sun. The proton-proton chain dominates, but is not the only reaction going on.

Deuterium is a form of hydrogen. Though if the CNO cycle is indeed present, I stand corrected, and I do apologise. I thought that the CNO cycle only manifested itself in the red giant stage.

Deuterium is a form of hydrogen, but it can fuse with 3Helium. And you're almost right: the CNO cycle dominates in heavy stars (not always red giants), and the proton-proton chain dominates in the sun.

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Re: Moon librations
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2008, 05:45:31 AM »
Bendy light has been so roundly refuted it hurts. Try a search.

I have yet to see a convincing argument against it.
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