Catholic : Humble or Righteous?

In my community and amongst my church we are taught to be humble, and that the catholic church is By Sinners, For Sinners, we are not perfect and should try our best to be good people.

When it comes to the church and its stance on certain issues like Homosexuality, Other beliefs, Marriage and Sin we are encouraged to follow the Catholic beliefs but always respect others.

My Priest and I talk every so often just because I am more curious about my religion than I was when I was little and just thought it was boring, being married to a "Christian" woman under the catholic church I had run into some of her " Christian" friends who made me really uncomfortable and pushy with their faith and the flaws in mine.

As I stand now I know I am not perfect and my church is known for being filled with bad people and a very bad history which from what I have been told we are not proud of.

Same Sex Marriage is viewed as unhonored by god, but as a Catholic homosexuals should be treated with respect and love.

Life begins at Conception, Abortion is wrong. Tough topic and hard to weasel out of, I will just say that all women should be taught how to kill a man with little effort, that way they cannot be raped or forced in any other way against their will...because otherwise it really was a choice you made that an unborn child shouldn't have to suffer for if its simply not efficient for you to have a child, but then again I have also yet to study up on the churches views on Adoption.

Sex before Marriage, its resulting in unwanted Pregnancy, Abortions, Shortage of Jobs and a big overpopulation of annoying people...so while I am sure it feels great I will have to side with the church on this one, I waited till after my wedding and the frustrating inexperience just helps our bond.

So yeah, as far as I have been taught and seen in my community we have our stances but by no means are pushy about it, and being on the other end of Pushing from another set of beliefs I know I don't like it, so tell me how your experience in, with, or against the Catholic Faith has been, because I also in my faith belief shortcomings and crimes should he learned from not denied.

I told my priest about the confrontation I had with the " Christian" and he said for our faults the Catholic Church is the target of a lot of " Damnation" and that Damnation is at the very least not a tool of the church in our community but used more often in others and when faced with someone who opposes the church in my face " She stands strong against Adversity". Not sure if that should have made me proud but it did, and I am.

Hope to learn and hear from you soon.

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I have also yet to study up on the churches views on Adoption.

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Damnit man, think for yourself! Research other faiths! Pray to other gods, don't pray to any, attend gatherings by different faiths or no faiths, read up on your own faith and beliefs, question everything. If you don't then you're nothing more than a victim of brainwashing.

Sex before Marriage, its resulting in unwanted Pregnancy, Abortions, Shortage of Jobs and a big overpopulation of annoying people...so while I am sure it feels great I will have to side with the church on this one, I waited till after my wedding and the frustrating inexperience just helps our bond.

I broke up with a chick once and it was ultimately because she wouldn't have sex with me.  She was ultra-christian, like "evolution is a lie by the devil" insane.  Great match huh?  Anyways, I hope the pat on her back from her parents and the unrequited love of Jesus is enough to compensate for the loneliness.

Telling a population with a long standing problem with STD's that condoms are wrong makes you a terrible person.

I hope the pat on her back from her parents and the unrequited love of Jesus is enough to compensate for the loneliness.

You just keep telling yourself that.

She's probably lezzing it up in Catholic School and having a whale of a time.

Quote from: Pongo on July 25, 2009, 02:06:32 PM

I hope the pat on her back from her parents and the unrequited love of Jesus is enough to compensate for the loneliness.

You just keep telling yourself that.

She's probably lezzing it up in Catholic School and having a whale of a time.

Nay, she just got her masters and is going to be a teacher in a month or so.  She calls me regularly.  I talk to her for the ego boost, then ask her why chimpanzees have so many identical genetic markers that humans do.  Or why did God kill innocent children in the final or his plagues?  Noah's ark questions are fun too.  There are sooooooo many good ones there.  I like to think it speaks to me as a romantic that someone who loves Jesus that much can be so enthralled with an atheist like me.

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Quote from: Pongo on July 25, 2009, 02:06:32 PM

I hope the pat on her back from her parents and the unrequited love of Jesus is enough to compensate for the loneliness.

You just keep telling yourself that.

She's probably lezzing it up in Catholic School and having a whale of a time.

Nay, she just got her masters and is going to be a teacher in a month or so.  She calls me regularly.  I talk to her for the ego boost, then ask her why chimpanzees have so many identical genetic markers that humans do.  Or why did God kill innocent children in the final or his plagues?  Noah's ark questions are fun too.  There are sooooooo many good ones there.  I like to think it speaks to me as a romantic that someone who loves Jesus that much can be so enthralled with an atheist like me.

Forbidden fruit and all that.

my best freind married a religious chick. we are not allowed to hang out with his wife's freinds anymore.

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Damnit man, think for yourself! Research other faiths! Pray to other gods, don't pray to any, attend gatherings by different faiths or no faiths, read up on your own faith and beliefs, question everything. If you don't then you're nothing more than a victim of brainwashing.

Thanks, I do in many ways and plan to research other religions and not to disprove or reinforce my own but to actually learn and understand. I already have my own concept of god that is somewhat different from what my church says but it will probably evolve in my head as I learn as you suggested. I don't just believe in the catholic faith, but it is where I would say my home is when I am done wandering the world and where I would bring back all I have learned, again thank you for your wisdom.

Telling a population with a long standing problem with STD's that condoms are wrong makes you a terrible person.

Good point, but I am not looking to say my church is right in fact I am just out there to find out how good or bad my church acts in other communities.

I know the catholic church says not to use condoms in a marriage but to be abstinent until you choose to have a baby which is easier than I thought with this woman I am married too -_- but back to the point.

In my church community we still believe the rights of the individual when it comes to safe sex should be respected we don't go and shout our beliefs at people saying they are damned to hell for wearing a condom and after all in the arena of the current world really the worst thing we can do is expect abstinence of any kind and hope young people, old people, and monkeys practice safe sex.

It's funny because Catholicism teaches one to be humble and at the same time, it preaches that it's the only religion that will get you into heaven and that a Christian God is the one true God. I'll go with self-righteous.

The age of consent in the Vatican is 12 years old.

Any religion, the leaders approving of sex with children, should be banned.

Quote from: Jeffs on July 25, 2009, 02:22:13 PM

Telling a population with a long standing problem with STD's that condoms are wrong makes you a terrible person.

Good point, but I am not looking to say my church is right in fact I am just out there to find out how good or bad my church acts in other communities.

I know the catholic church says not to use condoms in a marriage but to be abstinent until you choose to have a baby which is easier than I thought with this woman I am married too -_- but back to the point.

In my church community we still believe the rights of the individual when it comes to safe sex should be respected we don't go and shout our beliefs at people saying they are damned to hell for wearing a condom and after all in the arena of the current world really the worst thing we can do is expect abstinence of any kind and hope young people, old people, and monkeys practice safe sex.

This may surprise some of my cohorts here, but I'm going to do my best to take it easy on you, because you seem to be bringing a bit more honesty than smugness to the conversation, and that's refreshing from a christfag.

OK, I am a Recovering Roman Catholic myself.  I made it through first communion, but not to confirmation.  In case you're curious, it was the conflict between the books of the Gospel, which describe an appealing all-loving, all-forgiving god, and the book of Revelations, which really illustrates what an evil, vindictive, bloodthirsty, barbaric bastard YHVH really is that broke the proverbial camel's back.  My priest didn't like my questions, and I didn't like his answers.  It didn't help that he had let my mom know that since she had remarried and couldn't receive communion, she needn't bother coming anymore, but the Michaelsons' were happy to drive me, and I could bring the envelope for the collection basket...

Anyway, to me, it's not about Humble or Righteous.  You and your family may be genuinely good, non-judgmental people, but the RC church is a seething cesspool of bigotry, subjugation, power-mongering, and perversion with a long, frighteningly robust history of evil deeds done in the name of a made-up god.  A few weeks reading (non-christian) historical accounts of the Crusades and the Inquisition - hell, even a couple of hours on Wiki on the subjects - should make it pretty clear.  The church you belong to is not there to help you or anyone else outside the priesthood.

You want to test the 'be kind to homosexual' reality?  Tell your priest you're gay in private, but not in confession.  See how long you feel welcome at mass.