Why religion makes sense

@Oscar - yes, but only a little.  I type more pissed than I actually am, sometimes.

I was in my 30s before I stopped trying to be a pantheist/polytheist.

You shouldn't let anyone get to you here. We're all just trolls.

Wants to learn??!!  I spent four years at university and 15 in personal study on the religions of the world.  I have been in sweatlodges, on pilgrimages, on hallucinogens, and to revivals in search of answers.

You, after being indoctrinated as a child and blind as an adult have the audacity to tell me I don't want to learn??  You're worse than I thought.

Fuck off, luddite.

Quote from: Jesus Crotch on October 15, 2008, 01:52:41 PM

@Oscar - yes, but only a little.  I type more pissed than I actually am, sometimes.

You shouldn't let anyone get to you here. We're all just trolls.

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Wants to learn??!!  I spent four years at university and 15 in personal study on the religions of the world.  I have been in sweatlodges, on pilgrimages, on hallucinogens, and to revivals in search of answers.

You, after being indoctrinated as a child and blind as an adult have the audacity to tell me I don't want to learn??  You're worse than I thought.

Fuck off, luddite.

I never said you don't want to learn. Anyway just because you searched and failed to find the truth it's not our problem n_n I was born a Muslim even though in my country it's hard to find scriptures of other religions yet I did read many scriptures of other religions such as Bible (Old & New Testament), I did read about Hinduism, Buddhism...etc the more I did read and learned about other religions the more it made my faith in Islam stronger because of the many many reasons I've posted in my previous topics and posts. The problem is that you didn't fully understood Islam and I wouldn't lie about it that's why you think it's false, Allah said in the Quran the more knowledge you have the more you would know God. That's why I provided you the link so you can learn more about Islam instead of blindly being against Islam.

How young do you think I am?

You see, the problem I have is that forced indoctrination goes against everything that organized religion stands for, really. Fear, persecution. These are all things commonly referred to as "evil".

How can something be so holy when it does exactly what it says it's against? This was my dilemma for some time. I learned over time to be tolerant of peoples' belief's, but to have them openly pressed upon others is not something that I take lightly. I personally refuse to deny the essence of self for others. I believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world around us through observation, experimentation, argument and debate, and most of all freedom of will. In my own head, because of this, and the gripe I have with forced indoctrination, I cannot compromise the fundamental tenants of my belief.

This is why I am an atheist.

Quote from: Hara Taiki on October 15, 2008, 02:02:36 PM

How young do you think I am?

You see, the problem I have is that forced indoctrination goes against everything that organized religion stands for, really. Fear, persecution. These are all things commonly referred to as "evil".

How can something be so holy when it does exactly what it says it's against? This was my dilemma for some time. I learned over time to be tolerant of peoples' belief's, but to have them openly pressed upon others is not something that I take lightly. I personally refuse to deny the essence of self for others. I believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world around us through observation, experimentation, argument and debate, and most of all freedom of will. In my own head, because of this, and the gripe I have with forced indoctrination, I cannot compromise the fundamental tenants of my belief.

This is why I am an atheist.

Well put.  I'd guess 22-25.  Don't get me wrong - I was an pantheist, which is not a huge difference, but it took a while to completely divest myself of my religious upbringing.  I'm a recovering roman catholic - they burn it in deep.

Evidence is important to belief, the problem I have with most religion is that there is no evidence for the claims some of the major sects make. They are simply nothing more than tall tales. The only value they could possibly have is in providing some kind of moral stabilization, and not a literal undertaking. I think this is where some of the issues lie, most people cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality.

Quote from: Oscar Wilde on October 15, 2008, 01:55:17 PM

Quote from: Jesus Crotch on October 15, 2008, 01:52:41 PM

@Oscar - yes, but only a little.  I type more pissed than I actually am, sometimes.

You shouldn't let anyone get to you here. We're all just trolls.

Actually, I've been thinking about that.  I don't think it's possible to be a troll here.  Trolling is attempting to distract from the normal forum topics and piss people off in the process.  This site is a troll magnet.  That is it's purpose.  Therefore, trolling is the normal topic in every forum here, and no one can actually troll!

Quote from: Hara Taiki on October 15, 2008, 02:14:37 PM

Evidence is important to belief, the problem I have with most religion is that there is no evidence for the claims some of the major sects make. They are simply nothing more than tall tales. The only value they could possibly have is in providing some kind of moral stabilization, and not a literal undertaking. I think this is where some of the issues lie, most people cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality.

I agree, but I believe that religion is partly at fault for this.  When the vast majority of a society is raised to believe in nonsense in the absense of any evidence for and a ton against, it creates a seed of irrational thought (faith) that I consider poisonous.

The statement this site makes sort of typifies my belief in how the world should work.  In the words of Terrence McKenna, "How does one tell shit from Shinola?"  The answer is through critical thought and the constant questioning of authority.

Quote from: Jesus Crotch on October 15, 2008, 01:59:48 PM

Quote from: Oscar Wilde on October 15, 2008, 01:55:17 PM

Quote from: Jesus Crotch on October 15, 2008, 01:52:41 PM

@Oscar - yes, but only a little.  I type more pissed than I actually am, sometimes.

You shouldn't let anyone get to you here. We're all just trolls.

Actually, I've been thinking about that.  I don't think it's possible to be a troll here.  Trolling is attempting to distract from the normal forum topics and piss people off in the process.  This site is a troll magnet.  That is it's purpose.  Therefore, trolling is the normal topic in every forum here, and no one can actually troll!

Except for the people who get trolled, of course.

When everyone is a troll, no one is a troll.

However, that doesn't mean we're not all assholes or that you should take anything here seriously.

I think when someone does have a faith in his religion it gives him a peace of mind and soul,

and it teaches him to be a human and act like one unlike many other who deny the existence of God who are almost acting like animals.

...lacks validity in my book.

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on October 15, 2008, 04:31:46 PM

...lacks validity in my book.

Also, reality.

It is a proven fact that there are more women in the world ( Ithink its like 51 % to 49 %)
and they live longer.

Quote from: gking92 on October 15, 2008, 06:07:17 PM

It is a proven fact that there are more women in the world ( Ithink its like 51 % to 49 %)
and they live longer.

So what, each man deserves 1.040816326530612244897959183673469387755102040816326530612244897959183673469387755102040816326530612 wives?

So what, each man deserves 1.040816326530612244897959183673469387755102040816326530612244897959183673469387755102040816326530612 wives?

the difference in ratio for men and women in the world is too small to create laws limiting women's rights and not men's.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 15, 2008, 06:55:24 PM

So what, each man deserves 1.040816326530612244897959183673469387755102040816326530612244897959183673469387755102040816326530612 wives?

Quote from: ﮎingulaЯiτy on October 15, 2008, 05:01:04 PM

the difference in ratio for men and women in the world is too small to create laws limiting women's rights and not men's.

Can women remarry if the man dies?

Can people of different age marry?

Are people religiously obligated to marry?

Did you know that men typically die younger?