Seeing the sun

Almost all FE'ers say the sun cannot be seen from everywhere because the atmosphere is too thick. If this is the case how do you explain moonshine and stars on the horizon (let's keep this to known science and we all know light doesn't bend in the way required to mimic this effect on a FE).

Thats easy. The government is so set on this conspiracy that every night (given your location) they sprey tons of fog in the air so you cannot see the sun. Duh  .... Or maybe the earth is actually round... yeah im gonna go with that one.

we all know light doesn't bend in the way required to mimic this effect on a FE

Prove it.

Thats easy. The government is so set on this conspiracy that every night (given your location) they sprey tons of fog in the air so you cannot see the sun. Duh  .... Or maybe the earth is actually round... yeah im gonna go with that one.

Reported for trolling.

Quote from: phja on October 11, 2008, 01:06:45 PM

we all know light doesn't bend in the way required to mimic this effect on a FE

Prove it.

wow, typical answer. Given that he is asking the question he is asking for you to prove it.

wow, typical answer. Given that he is asking the question he is asking for you to prove it.

We cannot see the Sun at night. Therefore, the light is not reaching us, so it must be bending away.

QED

Light is bent by intense gravitational force, reflection and refraction. The problem FET has with explaining the stars on the horizon is that it means that each person on the Earth would need to be the 'focal point' for the bent light. this is impossible. not only would it require 6 billion focal points, but also would require a force that acts to the west as you look east, and to the east as you look west. such a force doesn't exist.

Quote from: Abrexas on October 11, 2008, 01:15:25 PM

wow, typical answer. Given that he is asking the question he is asking for you to prove it.

We cannot see the Sun at night. Therefore, the light is not reaching us, so it must be bending away.

QED

Thank you for answering this tme. My opinion is still with phja, but i still appreciate you taking the time to answer

We cannot see the Sun at night. Therefore, the light is not reaching us, so it must be bending away.

QED

So, the sun's intense light is bent away and so is not visible, while the much fainter star light (millions of times fainter) is still able to reach us, LOL.

And i don't see what Quantum electrodynamics has to do with your argument.

So, the sun's intense light is bent away and so is not visible, while the much fainter star light (millions of times fainter) is still able to reach us, LOL.

And i don't see what Quantum electrodynamics has to do with your argument.

Please show me a source that states that any of the various ways in which light can be bent is dependent on its intensity. I'd love to read it.

Please show me a source that states that any of the various ways in which light can be bent is dependent on its intensity. I'd love to read it.

So would i. But this is your argument, you say the sun's light is bent so it is not visible, but that star light isn't. YOU are saying that light bending depends on intensity so you proove it.

Do you know how bendy light works? Should you choose to find out, you'll know why you're wrong. If not, don't bother posting here any more, you're just being ignorant.

So would i. But this is your argument, you say the sun's light is bent so it is not visible, but that star light isn't. YOU are saying that light bending depends on intensity so you proove it.

I never said that star light doesn't bend. It might help you to understand my theory better if you stop putting words in my mouth.

you infered that star light doesn't bend.

You said that the sun isn't visible at night because the light bends away.
The star light cannot also bend away or we wouldn't see them.

so, this means that since starlight and sunlight come from the same general direction, you believe that the intense sun light is bent, but weak starlight isn't.

No. They come from very different direction.

you infered that star light doesn't bend.

You said that the sun isn't visible at night because the light bends away.
The star light cannot also bend away or we wouldn't see them.

so, this means that since starlight and sunlight come from the same general direction, you believe that the intense sun light is bent, but weak starlight isn't.

Please try to make sense. It will make reading your posts a much more pleasant experience.

what doesn't make sense about my last post   

Just the words. The rest is fine.

phjb, just to let you know your argumet makes perfect sense. They are just refusing to give you a direct answer.

when you look at the sky at night you see stars in all directions that you looks, so General Souchebag doesnt it make sense that at least one of those stars light comes from the same direction of the suns? Now that that is al cleared up, can anyone explain why sun light "bends" and starlight doesnt?

Douchebag, sorry for the typo

thank you Abrexas for trying to get this back on topic.

when you look at the sky at night you see stars in all directions that you looks

So if you look straight down, you will see stars?

The stars which we see are generally directly or almost directly above the Earth, so the EA could only affect them by slowing them to a halt and reversing their movement, which isn't possible, as c is a constant. So starlight usually reaches us unmolested. This is the bendy-light theory. Osama, you're just being silly now.

How old are you? Maybe an elementary student would say that. You know exactly what i mean and your just dodging. I know you have an answer to this. Why are you hesitating? Just give us an answer. If you think you are right then tell us why, dont just be immature about it because we have a different opinion. At least we are asking about your theory, withought questioning you then how do you expect us to learn anything?

Thank you GD.. thats an actual answer... but im stll a little confused. If all of the starts are streight above us then why do they appear to be 90 degrees away from the vertical?

let me try and put this in as simple language as i can.

some stars and the sun are at the same location in the sky, agreed (sun in the day, stars at night).

so, if the sunlight is bent, why not the starlight.


COME ON, how hard can it be to understand.

Thank you GD.. thats an actual answer... but im stll a little confused. If all of the starts are streight above us then why do they appear to be 90 degrees away from the vertical?

Stars just slightly away from directly above us may have their light bent enough to make it appear like that, and phja, just shut the fuck up.

Stars that appear to be on the horizon are actually not very far away from directly above us. The light gets bent so that it is travelling horizontally by the time it reaches us, so they appear to be on the horizon. Light coming from stars further away than this gets bent too severely to reach us. The sun, of course, moves in and out of this zone of visibility, creating day and night.

Stars just slightly away from directly above us may have their light bent enough to make it appear like that, and phja, just shut the fuck up.

light doesn't bend this way.

i feel sorry for you, only the intellectually chalenged have to resort to insults when they can't understand basic science enough to explain my points.

I just explained the FE answer to the point, and never insulted you, it was a suggestion which you should heed. How does light bend, if not in a bendy way?