Proof that nobody here will ever travel in time........

Quote from: Robosteve on October 17, 2008, 05:48:48 PM

We are all moving through time at the rate of one second per second in our own non-inertial frame of reference. At least, I assume everybody who posts here is in a non-inertial frame of reference.

Don't assume. I can assume anything I want. I assume the country is ruled by a family of benign giant tigers, and that unicorns are not allowed to be served in bars between the hours of someday and later.

Post proof here that everyone is in a non-inertial frame of reference.

/blah blah trollfap blah

Because we say so.

Look everyone. Time is a measurement tool. It's not a real thing. It's something humans made. Without humans, there could be no time. Now scurry along now and read your little animu mags, infidels.

Since when were measurement tools, not real things?

Quote from: Andrew Milton on November 10, 2008, 08:21:06 PM

Look everyone. Time is a measurement tool. It's not a real thing. It's something humans made. Without humans, there could be no time. Now scurry along now and read your little animu mags, infidels.

Since when were measurement tools, not real things?

Since the US government perpetrated 9/11, you ignorant Amerikkkan.

Look everyone. Time is a measurement tool. It's not a real thing. It's something humans made. Without humans, there could be no time. Now scurry along now and read your little animu mags, infidels.

Correct, in that time is a concept coined by humans to approximate, predict and use to at their convenience. As a concept, it exists just like any other concept.

However, time (without human perception) is the underlying principle of change, and to claim it doesn't exist is nonsense at best.

I think that time is just a way we measure the frequency of events.

For instance, water dripping is a good example. Or the day/night circle. These events occur with a frequency, and it is that frequency that we measure as the "past" and the "future". I believe that "time" is in fact just a floating "now". No information is stored except for that in our minds, yet that information is just part of the now.

In case time was a floating "now", you wouldn't be able to go back in time. Of course, you would be able to create a "slower" now in relation to the normal now (by, for instance, moving at or close to the speed of light).

The best example is a river. The river floats in a circle (don't mind the lack of a force driving the water). The foam changes, but the water is the same, floating in an infinite circle without an end.

Of course, in case there was a "speed of time/events" my idea would be proven wrong (so that if a gigantic explosion goes off in the centre of the galaxy, it actually doesn't happen until we see it happen, from our perspective).

I don't really have a good perspective of time yet so I think out my own ideas.

Time is the natural motion of matter that cannot be expunged under our local conditions. It cannot be traveled through unless you physically exit this realm, travel through one that is unaffected and reenter in the future. But, going backwards through time is absolutely impossible due to the forward nature of energy. The only way to go backwards is to reverse motion, but even then things would age the same in a different direction. Every object is subject to energies and is never exactly alike. You toss a ball up, it lands in your hand. That ball has a different energy balance than it had when you threw it. You hold a ball in the same position for three second. That ball has a different energy balance than it had three seconds ago. As long as any one factor changes from any one point to any other, the object is subject to time.

Quote from: Andrew Milton on November 10, 2008, 08:21:06 PM

Look everyone. Time is a measurement tool. It's not a real thing. It's something humans made. Without humans, there could be no time. Now scurry along now and read your little animu mags, infidels.

Correct, in that time is a concept coined by humans to approximate, predict and use to at their convenience. As a concept, it exists just like any other concept.

However, time (without human perception) is the underlying principle of change, and to claim it doesn't exist is nonsense at best.

The same could be said about length.

Time travel IS possible and I have the proof. I checked my watch a moment ago and it said 16:23. Now it says 16:25. I have not moved from my desk and yet I somehow find myself 2 minutes into what was my future.

For control purposes I also checked the time on my desktop computer and on my Tazmanian Devil desk clock. However the desk clock does have a broken minute hand so an accurate reading was difficult to obtain.

I think you'll agree that my findings are simply astonishing.

I am happy to repeat this experiment under scientific conditions and a laboratory environment should anyone wish to study my proof.

If Time is just a human invention as a measuring tool, what are we measuring with it? Time?

But if Time is just a measuring tool and that means time does not exist, then distance is also a measuring tool so there is not distance either.

/me swings elbow outwards.

Did any of you feel that? If you didn't then there must have been some distance between us...

To go a bit serious for a second, check out Dr. Mallett's work
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/mallettimemachine.htm
And we cant post here from the future yet because according to the good doctor the farthest we will be able to travel back in time is to the invention of the machine

To go a bit serious for a second, check out Dr. Mallett's work
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/mallettimemachine.htm
And we cant post here from the future yet because according to the good doctor the farthest we will be able to travel back in time is to the invention of the machine

I thought you wanted to get serious.

If you really did build a time machine why wouldn't you be able to travel back in time prior to the machines invention?

I like to believe in alternative timelines.  You go back in time kill your father prior to you being born then you just shoot off into an alternate timeline where you didn't exist.

Quote from: cbarnett97 on December 23, 2008, 07:02:21 AM

To go a bit serious for a second, check out Dr. Mallett's work
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/mallettimemachine.htm
And we cant post here from the future yet because according to the good doctor the farthest we will be able to travel back in time is to the invention of the machine

I thought you wanted to get serious.

If you really did build a time machine why wouldn't you be able to travel back in time prior to the machines invention?

I like to believe in alternative timelines.  You go back in time kill your father prior to you being born then you just shoot off into an alternate timeline where you didn't exist.

Well, according to actual science, a Time Machine is not strictly speaking prohibited by any known scientific principals. Because of this, there have been several attempts to come up with a design for a working Time Machine. The one thing about these devices is that the device does not travel in time with you and they only provide a "conduit" with which you can move through time. As you can only travel through time in the conduit, you can not go to a point before the conduit existed as then you would not have any conduit to travel in.

Here is an example of a possible Time Machine:

You need a massive and long cylinder (I am not sure of the exact mass, but it would be many times that of the sun, and be in the vicinity of light years long). You then need to rotate this cylinder so that the surface is moving at around 99.999% of the speed of light (the faster the better).

You now have a Time Machine.

What is supposed to occur is that as the cylinder rotates it does what is called "Frame Dragging", this is where the Space/Time is distorted by the motion so that it bends around the cylinder (like if you tried to wrap paper around it). The upshot is that if you orbit (closely) around the cylinder in one direction, the frame dragging will cause you to move into the past, and in the other direction would allow you to move into the future.

But, as your ability to travel in time is dependent on the existence of that rotating cylinder, if the cylinder does not exist (or is not rotating), then you can not use it to travel in time. This means that you can not travel back in time to before the machine is created.

I like to believe in alternative timelines.  You go back in time kill your father prior to you being born then you just shoot off into an alternate timeline where you didn't exist.

Then you go into a different timeline where you didn't exist to kill your father, and are born again.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on December 24, 2008, 05:58:33 PM

I like to believe in alternative timelines.  You go back in time kill your father prior to you being born then you just shoot off into an alternate timeline where you didn't exist.

Then you go into a different timeline where you didn't exist to kill your father, and are born again.

Not exactly. When you go back in time you are in a different timeline, because in your timelines past there was no you.

So in this new timeline your father dies childless, meaning no younger version of you to fuck up.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on December 24, 2008, 05:58:33 PM

I like to believe in alternative timelines.  You go back in time kill your father prior to you being born then you just shoot off into an alternate timeline where you didn't exist.

Then you go into a different timeline where you didn't exist to kill your father, and are born again.

Actually there is no need for alternate timelines, and the Grandfather Paradox.

In Quantum Mechanics, there is a technique called Sum over Histories. In this, if you want to find the path that a particle took, then you add up all the possible paths that the particle might have taken. With light this is always the geodesic because if it followed a different path then it would not be the shortest path and so would have taken longer.

This is an important point, you only consider the possible paths that the particle took, not all the paths that exist.

Now, if you apply this to the entire universe and time travel, then one of two things becomes apparent:

1) There is a finite number of paths that all the particles in the universe can take between the two events (departure and arrival events).

2) These two events are fixed.

What this means is that there is no way that the particles in the universe could have a sum over histories that prevent the Time Traveller from going back in time if they have actually travelled in time.

So there is no way that this Sum over Histories will allow the Grandfather Paradox, but it does allow a non-certain future, to particular degree. Events that do not influence the time traveller's journey back will be free to take whatever "path" they like.

So while killing your grandfather will be impossible, killing your cousin would not.