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Stock Market
« on: October 09, 2008, 09:56:35 PM »

I don't understand money and I don't claim that I ever had. But... if everybody sells all their stocks. Doesn't that just mean people who are rich will buy them up while they are low and come out on top in the end?

Is this a repeat of what is said to have happened in this movie?

"The History of the Federal Reserve"


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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2008, 10:01:13 PM »
lol.  I'm not watching the movie, but you're probably right.  The only problem is that a lot of rich people already had a lot of money invested in those stocks, so they've already lost money.  All in all, I'd say the people who will profit the most are the ones who suddenly come into a large amount of money and have the sense to invest it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2008, 10:03:50 PM »
I so need to win the lottery now then
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2008, 10:58:22 PM »

I don't understand money and I don't claim that I ever had. But... if everybody sells all their stocks. Doesn't that just mean people who are rich will buy them up while they are low and come out on top in the end?

Is this a repeat of what is said to have happened in this movie?

"The History of the Federal Reserve"


If everyone sells their stocks, the company loses shit tons of money and goes bankrupt. No one will buy these stocks because they will just  be paper.

Re: Stock Market
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 04:23:53 AM »
Worse it that the (UK) Government have bought up billions of shares in the banks in order to keep them afloat. So my tax pounds get given to the bank so they can lend it back to me and charge interest. Sick.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 09:16:21 AM »
I so need to win the lottery now then

no, you need to win the lottery right after inflation hits and the jackpot goes from two million to sixty.
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 09:21:39 AM »
The disgusting thing is that my 401(k) (retirement fund) is stock based, and while I haven't dipped below my contributions, I'm getting close at this point.  If, 5 years ago, I had just exchanged my money for Euros, I could trade back for US dollars right now, and have a much larger balance than my 401(k)!
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 09:26:19 AM »
The disgusting thing is that my 401(k) (retirement fund) is stock based, and while I haven't dipped below my contributions, I'm getting close at this point.  If, 5 years ago, I had just exchanged my money for Euros, I could trade back for US dollars right now, and have a much larger balance than my 401(k)!

This is actually something similar to what my high school economics teacher does.

He basically sets up accounts for US dollars, Euros and a few others. When the Canadian dollar is high, he puts a lot into those accounts. So when the Canadian dollar falls again, he'll be able to cash out and have more money.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 09:28:02 AM »
I so need to win the lottery now then

no, you need to win the lottery right after inflation hits and the jackpot goes from two million to sixty.

fine I'll wait til I win the lottery then
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 10:12:12 AM »
There goes Iceland...

Re: Stock Market
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2008, 10:46:57 AM »
The money of this so-called bailout is bailing out the 1% of those who govern you, these have been getting bailout from the days of the founding Fathers but more notably from when the Europeans declared a financial war against the USA. The American National Debt has increased incrementally since that declaration because the value of the Dollar has continuously dropped vis à vie the Euro and the ‘American Fat Cats’ are now being laughed at by their European counter-parts that they are only billionaires in their respective territory, once crossed over the Atlantic and into Europe they quickly become instant millionaires. So all this bailout talk is so that ‘the Rich’ retains their billionaire status by being bailed out and having Public funds deposited into their respective accounts, so that when the occasion arises that they must fly abroad they can walk holding their heads up and not feel debased by the European Fat Cats.

The following will open your eyes. All information of data are listed at the bottom.[/i]

Follow my madness: 40% of all American wealth is owned by 1% this equates to (10.8 trillion dollars) as of the year 2000 when coincidentally this economic warfare began. The Nominal GNP has increased from 2000-08 by (4.746,4 trillion dollars). We will add this to their already established wealth by subtracting 40% from it [1% Fat Cat] and deduct the standard 33% income tax to those gains equating to (1,272,203,520,000 trillion dollars).

10,800,000,000,000
+
01,272,203,520,000
-------------------------
= (((12,072,203,520,000 trillion dollars)))

This amount would not need any bailouts if the Dollar and the Euro were at par but this isn’t the case. What we must now do is subtract the loss the US dollar has incurred since the battle of these rebellious Cats began which is approximately 1.39 loss on the Dollar to the Euro from 2000 till now this amounts to (8,685,038,503,000 trillion US dollars) of their ‘total wealth’ when compared in value to the Euro. “How do the Rich Elites in the USA keep up with the European Jones?” Simple, they OWN the Government. So they print money and charge you ‘Joe Public’ the interest to pay it back.

Here’s the logic to my madness: when we add the revised increase the National Debt has incurred from 2000-08 which is (4.350,7 trillion dollars including ½ bailout 350 billion) and the remaining 350 billion dollar bailout Plan to their converted wealth you’ll understand the treachery of the system, but first we will covert these new being added to the same losses when compared in value to the Euro.

Updated: Oct 10th 2008

4,350,700,000,000 (revised National Debt with ½ bailout 350 billion)
+
0,350,000,000,000 (½ remaining bailout 350 billion)
-----------------------
= 4,700,700,000,000 US dollars converted at 1.39 = 3,381,798,561,000

Here’s where you all become mad, and yell out the window “I’m not gonna take it anymore!”

3,381,798,561,000 (converted revised National Debt & Bailout Plan)
+
8,685,038,503,000 (converted “wealth’s” established & accumulated GNP)
-----------------------
= (((12,066,837,060,000))) converted and now equal.

Pretty close wouldn’t you say? Remember currency trades to the decimals and I wasn’t inclined for such an exercise, heck, I don’t even know if any of you will, or, can understand this type of accounting. Feel free to do your own additions and carry the decimal, lol, you’ll see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Nominal GNP:

2000 - 9.661,90
2001 - 10.300,90
2002 - 10.641,10
2003 - 11.297,30
2004 - 12.001,10
2005 - 12.770,60
2006 - 13.452,00
2007 - 14.196,60
2008 - 14.408,30 (trillion)

The National Debt:

2000 - 5,674
2005 - 7,933
2006 - 8,506.9
2007 - 9,008
2008 - 9,654 (trillion) Sept.
2008 - 10,024,7 (revised with ½ bailout 350 billion included or deposited in their accounts)

The top 1% of households own almost 40% of the nation's wealth.
The top 4% of Americans own 60% of the nation's wealth.
The top 10% of Americans own over 70% of nation's wealth.
The top 20% of the nation's households own 85% of the nation's total wealth.

The bottom 40% of households own one-fifth of 1% (or 0.2%) of the nation's wealth.
The bottom 60% of Americans own only 5% of the nation's wealth.
The bottom 80% of Americans own only 15% of the nation's wealth.

The total wealth in America totals $27 trillion dollars.
(Wolff, 2000)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2008, 06:55:23 PM by Punisher »

Re: Stock Market
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2008, 10:47:48 AM »
Folks what we are seeing unfold is the beginning of the end of the World monetary system. Over a year ago I posted this message to the 'Joe Public' stock investor on the yahoo message board.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_N/threadview?bn=12906&tid=841355&mid=841355

This is the End concerning the stock-exchange. If you have a long position in stocks and/or funds this will be a good time to sell and remain liquid. If your position is short like mine hold the line. You may have notice if you have read my posts months ago about how the big swings in market momentum's are simply a means of shoring up the US dollars and by this strengthening the Dollar. As market makers flush the US indexes 3-4%, they are literally removing (x) billions of Dollars from circulation. This has a double action, (firstly) the Dollar finds strength and support, (secondly) and more important, those who are holding the Dollar short will feel the pressure to cover as their profits disappear, thus strengthening the Dollar further more. You may have seen the remarkable recovery of the US dollar but make no mistake this is a false recovery.

The US dollar is now gaining back it's loses, "what will Wall Street earnings look like for this 3rd Quarter?" During the 2nd Quarter the Dollar averaged $1.56 meaning when US companies abroad converted their proceeds into US dollars, they actually got more Dollars to report to investors on Wall Street. Third Quarter earnings begin reporting next week, during that period the Dollar averaged $1.50, thus, if US companies abroad made the same sales "not better nor worse" profits will be on the downside across the board. You gotta ask yourself, "how lucky do you feel?" When will Big investors pull out of stocks and funds, and maybe even short a few (not being unpatriotic), however, the game is capitalism.

The coming Market corrections will further strengthen the Dollar. REPEAT: this is FALSE STRENGTH and will only diminish the 4th Quarter profit earnings after proceeds aboard are reconverted into US dollars. Fourth Quarter thus far Dollar is averaging $1.39 and given this global reduction in consumption due to higher inflation it seems like a crash is unavoidable "in the cards" sort of speaking.

Those who heed this message take your liquidity out of the  banks and put them into Gov-Bonds while waiting for the Stock-market to crash in the coming months. Those holding short don't wait till the markets are in the sewers to cover, take your money before this happens the Exchange itself will be under bankruptcy protection, GOD knows how long you will hold that stock certificate. And when, not if, when the US Markets have crashed the US dollar will begin to plummet like something never seen before, prior to this, when you feel the time is right take your government bonds and covert them into the Euro. Atleast you’ll have protected your money for food and rent. Godspeed!
« Last Edit: October 11, 2008, 06:56:05 PM by Punisher »

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2008, 11:03:20 AM »
The money of this so-called bailout is bailing out the 1% of those who govern you, these have been getting bailout from the days of the founding Fathers but more notably from when the Europeans declared a financial war against the USA. The American National Debt has increased incrementally since that declaration because the value of the Dollar has continuously dropped vis à vie the Euro and the ‘American Fat Cats’ are now being laughed at by their European counter-parts that they are only billionaires in their respective territory, once crossed over the Atlantic and into Europe they quickly become instant millionaires. So all this bailout talk is so that ‘the Rich’ retains their billionaire status by being bailed out and having Public funds deposited into their respective accounts, so that when the occasion arises that they must fly abroad they can walk holding their heads up and not feel debased by the European Fat Cats.

The following will open your eyes. All information of data are listed at the bottom.

Follow my madness: 40% of all American wealth is owned by 1% this equates to (10.8 trillion dollars) as of the year 2000 when coincidentally this economic warfare began. The Nominal GNP has increased from 2000-08 by (4.746,4 trillion dollars). We will add this to their already established wealth by subtracting 40% from it [1% Fat Cat] and deduct the standard 33% income tax to those gains equating to (1,272,203,520,000 trillion dollars).

10,800,000,000,000
+
01,272,203,520,000
-------------------------
= (((12,072,203,520,000 trillion US dollars)))

This amount would not need any bailouts if the Dollar and the Euro were at par but this isn’t the case. What we must now do is subtract the loss the US dollar has incurred since the battle of these rebellious Cats began which is approximately 1.39 loss on the Dollar to the Euro from 2000 till now this amounts to (8,685,038,503,000 trillion US dollars) of their ‘total wealth’ when compared in value to the Euro. “How do the Rich Elites in the USA keep up with the European Jones?” Simple, they OWN the Government. So they print money and charge you ‘Joe Public’ the interest to pay it back.

Here’s the logic to my madness: when we add the increase the National Debt has incurred from 2000-08 which is (3.980 trillion dollars) and the infamous 700 billion dollar bailout to their converted wealth you’ll understand the treachery of the system, but first we will covert these new being added to the same losses when compared in value to the Euro.

3,980,000,000,000
+
0,700,000,000,000
-----------------------
=  4,680,000,000,000 US dollars converted at 1.39 =  3,366,906,474,000

Here’s where you all become mad, and yell out the window “I’m not gonna take it anymore!”

 3.366,906,474,000 (converted National Debt & Bailout Plan) 
+
 8,685,038,503,000 (converted “wealth’s” established & accumulated GNP)
-----------------------
= (((12,051,944,970,000 trillion converted dollars)))

Pretty close wouldn’t you say? Remember currency trades to the decimals and I wasn’t inclined for such an exercise, heck, I don’t even know if any of you will, or, can understand this type of accounting. Feel free to do your own additions and carry the decimal, lol, you’ll see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Nominal GNP:

2000 -   9.661,90
2001 - 10.300,90
2002 - 10.641,10
2003 - 11.297,30
2004 - 12.001,10
2005 - 12.770,60
2006 - 13.452,00
2007 - 14.196,60
2008 - 14.408,30 (trillion)
http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=231


The National Debt:

2000 - 5,674
2005 - 7,933
2006 - 8,506.9
2007 - 9,008
2008 - 9,654 (trillion) Sept.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt


The top 1% of households own almost 40% of the nation's wealth.
The top 4% of Americans own 60% of the nation's wealth.
The top 10% of Americans own over 70% of nation's wealth.
The top 20% of the nation's households own 85% of the nation's total wealth.

The bottom 40% of households own one-fifth of 1% (or 0.2%) of the nation's wealth.
The bottom 60% of Americans own only 5% of the nation's wealth.
The bottom 80% of Americans own only 15% of the nation's wealth.

The total wealth in America totals $27 trillion dollars.
(Wolff, 2000)
http://holtz.org/Library/Social%20Science/Economics/Economic%20Inequality%20in%20the%20United%20States.htm

I don't know what's sadder, the fact that this might be copypasta or the fact that it might not be.
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2008, 12:01:09 PM »
The saddest fact is he thinks that after that whole Space Shuttle tragedy he posted, he thinks we'll take him seriously.

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2008, 12:02:15 PM »
The saddest fact is he thinks that after that whole Space Shuttle tragedy he posted, he thinks we'll take him seriously.

Oh, I want to read that.

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2008, 12:04:33 PM »
I don't know what's sadder, the fact that this might be copypasta or the fact that it might not be.

Punisher is the kind of guy who riot police are trained to identify upfront before anything gets out of control.  ( that's a compliment btw... )


It's common knowledge that the division lines between the rich and the poor is staggering.
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2008, 12:06:23 PM »
The saddest fact is he thinks that after that whole Space Shuttle tragedy he posted, he thinks we'll take him seriously.

Oh, I want to read that.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23688.0

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2008, 12:13:17 PM »
The saddest fact is he thinks that after that whole Space Shuttle tragedy he posted, he thinks we'll take him seriously.

Oh, I want to read that.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23688.0


Awesome.  I have the link to Orbiter if anyone wants it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2008, 12:18:11 PM »
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23688.0

Well... Anyone who does 3d animation or cinematography might tel you that the hard light on the shuttle ( point light from the sun ) and the diffuse light on the closer object are in conflict.

Those images actually do look fake... But I've never been to space nor to I know the exact conditions they were created under.


It has nothing to do with punisher's post regarding the stock market however. Most people really don't have a pot to piss in and the wealthy do control the majority of the wealth. It's common knowledge.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires





http://www.marketoracle.co.uk reports the United States to have the highest amount of total money available worldwide at $12 Trillion

This list gives the top 400 richest people

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/54/richlist07_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html


A quick calculation puts the top 50 as holding 697 Billion averaging the rest at 3 billion a piece means that 500 Americans have 1750 billion, lets pretend they have 2 trillion for the top 500.

That leaves 10 trillion for the rest of America. 301,139,947 people...


10,000,000,000,000 dollars / 301,139,947 people = $33,207.152 a piece


There must be something wrong with my calculation. But you get the picture.


The result of the stock market panic will result in a further division of the rich and the poor. That is the inevitable end result. jmo...

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2008, 03:25:29 PM »
1Enoch Chapter 42

[2]Wisdom went forth to dwell among the sons of men, but she obtained not a habitation. Wisdom returned to her place, and seated herself in the midst of the Angels. But iniquity went forth after her return, who unwillingly found a habitation, and resided among them, as rain in the desert, and as a dew in a thirsty land.

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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2008, 10:13:26 PM »
1Enoch Chapter 42

[2]Wisdom went forth to dwell among the sons of men, but she obtained not a habitation. Wisdom returned to her place, and seated herself in the midst of the Angels. But iniquity went forth after her return, who unwillingly found a habitation, and resided among them, as rain in the desert, and as a dew in a thirsty land.


So what is your point? Lack of spiritual values replaces wisdom?

I would think wise people would be just as capable of amassing wealth as people with no wisdom. I cannot see how wisdom and spirituality are directly connected.

Why does one have to be spiritual to be wise. It is not a requirement.

Re: Stock Market
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2008, 06:58:26 PM »
For the nonspiritual wise

The USA Gross National Product is at roughly 14,000,000,000,000.00 Trillion Dollars. Out of this all working Americans draw a "net" salary from it, the CEO's with their hundreds of million dollar salaries, every Politicians in Washington D.C including the President draw a net salary from the above gross figure, all private American corporations draw a net income from this, most public companies draw a net income from it and only a very few of those public companies pay-out even less of those net earnings in dividends to their shareholders, lol.

Question: "Why is the National Debt increasing when every working American draws a salary from the GNP?"
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2008, 07:41:23 PM »
For nonspiritual wise

The USA Gross National Product is at roughly 14,000,000,000,000.00 Trillion Dollars. Out of this all working Americans draw a "net" salary from it, the CEO's with their hundreds of million dollar salaries, every Politicians in Washington D.C including the President draw a net salary from the above gross figure, all private American corporations draw a net income from this, most public companies draw a net income from it and only a very few of those public companies pay-out even less of those net earnings in dividends to their shareholders, lol.

Question: "Why is the National Debt increasing when every working American draws a salary from the GNP?"

http://www.federalbudget.com/
Why is the debt rising if everyone eats from the 14 trillion GNP and pays an income tax to the government to the tune of over 4 Trillion dollars? The biggest 3 programs are Military, Health & Human, Social Security all 3 add up to about 2 Trillion dollars, the rest aggregated programs are about another 700 billion, so, "what of the rest of the Money and the increments in the rising Debt?"

ANSWER:They’re stealing your money.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 05:01:09 PM »
ITT: Punisher shares his wisdom.
I thought this would be a thread impersonating Dino.
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Re: Stock Market
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2012, 09:52:57 AM »
For nonspiritual wise

The USA Gross National Product is at roughly 14,000,000,000,000.00 Trillion Dollars. Out of this all working Americans draw a "net" salary from it, the CEO's with their hundreds of million dollar salaries, every Politicians in Washington D.C including the President draw a net salary from the above gross figure, all private American corporations draw a net income from this, most public companies draw a net income from it and only a very few of those public companies pay-out even less of those net earnings in dividends to their shareholders, lol.

Question: "Why is the National Debt increasing when every working American draws a salary from the GNP?"

http://www.federalbudget.com/
Why is the debt rising if everyone eats from the 14 trillion GNP and pays an income tax to the government to the tune of over 4 Trillion dollars? The biggest 3 programs are Military, Health & Human, Social Security all 3 add up to about 2 Trillion dollars, the rest aggregated programs are about another 700 billion, so, "what of the rest of the Money and the increments in the rising Debt?"

ANSWER:They’re stealing your money.

GNP = gross national product which means everything we make. As there is not a 100% tax in the united states it is completely irrelevant to the rest of your post. There is a deficit because we spend more than we make. If they are ripping us off they are putting it in the budget. Silly wiggle even enron knew that.