Reasons for believing in FE?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2008, 12:56:38 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

Look out the window.

When I look out the window, I see the sun sink over the horizon, then rise in the opposite direction every day.  Looking out your window does not prove the earth is flat.

That's possible in FE, too.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2008, 01:04:29 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

Look out the window.

When I look out the window, I see the sun sink over the horizon, then rise in the opposite direction every day.  Looking out your window does not prove the earth is flat.

That's possible in FE, too.

Then if you are conceding both possibilities, why do you claim that looking out the window can constitute FE proof but not RE proof?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2008, 01:05:16 PM »
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That's possible in FE, too.

Not really, read this thread: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23639.0

FE states that because the earth looks flat close up is evidence that it is flat, you state it looks that way, so it must be that way.  However for other observations such as the sun sinking over the horizon, there are varying wild theories that range from theories that the sun gets so far away that the atmosphere must block it, to "bendy light".

how do you go from, hey my backyard is pretty flat, therefore the whole world must be, to strange lighting effects that make us see things differently from what is actually happening.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2008, 01:09:55 PM »
Exactly.  Because there's sufficient evidence that the earth is flat.

Careful Roundy.  If you keep saying that enough times, you may actually start to believe it.   :P
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2008, 01:12:26 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

people have tested RE for quite some time now



How?
Eratosthenes did some early tests, they have been proven in RET to be very very close to exactly correct.

Eratosthenes did nothing but estimate the circumference of the earth, assuming the earth to be a sphere.  It's a popular misconception that he somehow "proved" that the earth is round.

Got any other examples?

http://www.sparehed.com/2008/02/25/theres-your-proof/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/03/the-earth-is-round/
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/evolk12/slm/roundearthday.htm

None of that is proof that the earth is round.  I thought you were going to show some experiments scientists have done that prove the earth is round.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2008, 01:41:24 PM »
Grade school level, so it's a real simple experiment:

http://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scolumb.htm

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »
I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.

Looking out of the window is not evidence.  Use some curvy math.
I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2008, 02:12:37 PM »
He gave the same answer on the thread you linked to.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2008, 03:13:48 PM »
Grade school level, so it's a real simple experiment:

http://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scolumb.htm

Nothing there proves a round earth.  They're the same old "proofs" that have been refuted countless times on these forums.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2008, 05:12:47 PM by Roundy the Truthinessist »
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2008, 03:58:41 PM »
LOL don't you mean nothing there proves a round earth roundy?

You can't prove anything in physics.  Or so I hear, however, the results from that experiment point more to a round earth than a flat earth.  Just out of curiosity, I know there are a lot of RE'ers pretending to be FE on this site for the sake of argument.  Are you one of them?  Send me an email or PM.  I wont tell anyone, and if I did, you can easily deny it.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2008, 04:32:40 PM »
Nothing there proves a flat earth.  They're the same old "proofs" that have been refuted countless times on these forums.
Freudian slip.

All FE'ers, this thread is not dedicated to providing reason to believe in RE (although I appreciate the Round Earth points made because they give examples). This thread is created to get an understanding of how you ended up concluding the Earth is flat. Try to keep that in mind.
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2008, 05:01:06 PM »
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Point 1: It is illogical to arrive at a conclusion without evidence to support the conclusion.

I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.
No you don't.

1. Evidence is exclusive to one theory or another. This is not, therefore it is not evidence.
2. You only see a locally linear (linear means flat) and extremely small portion of the Earth. This is hardly complete.
3. When you say that the view is flat, you are actually taking the average of all hills and valleys you see.
4. There are other threads for discussing your window experiment. I want this thread to be a serious, so gtfo; no tits option.

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What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?
Not the function of this thread. This thread is an invitation to present the reasons for believing in FE. FE != RE  ::)
learn2read and learn2search.

Practically every thread created shows evidence for RE. Accepting it as real is a different matter.
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2008, 05:12:08 PM »
To further rant a bit,
My statement that FE conspiracy has poor deductive reasoning has yet to be refuted!

FE Deductive reasoning:
1)the earth is flat
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)NASA says the earth is round

conclusion)therefore, NASA is lieing.

but, lets change that first premise:
1)the earth is round
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)FES says the earth is flat

conclusion) therefore, FES is lieing.

Using your own poor reasoning, i have constructed my own argument that is equally weak but also shows how you cannot base a conclusion on the fact that you are correct.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2008, 05:19:51 PM »
LOL don't you mean nothing there proves a round earth roundy?

OOPS.  :-[

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You can't prove anything in physics.  Or so I hear, however, the results from that experiment point more to a round earth than a flat earth.

Not necessarily.  It only appears that way because it's already been assumed a priori that the earth is round.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2008, 05:51:58 PM »
To further rant a bit,
My statement that FE conspiracy has poor deductive reasoning has yet to be refuted!

FE Deductive reasoning:
1)the earth is flat
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)NASA says the earth is round

conclusion)therefore, NASA is lieing.

but, lets change that first premise:
1)the earth is round
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)FES says the earth is flat

conclusion) therefore, FES is lieing.

Using your own poor reasoning, i have constructed my own argument that is equally weak but also shows how you cannot base a conclusion on the fact that you are correct.
FES is alternative science. It is all based on scientific observations such as refraction, bendy light and perspective.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2008, 06:37:22 PM »
I read this whole thread, and I think the only evidence given for a flat earth has been "the earth looks flat from my perspective". I think the original intent of this thread has been lost.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2008, 06:57:11 PM »
Not necessarily.  It only appears that way because it's already been assumed a priori that the earth is round.

I thought that observation was one of the very first ones that led people to believe that the earth was round.  Along with other observations such as being able to see certain constellations in egypt, but different ones as you traveled further north.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2008, 09:42:13 PM »
To further rant a bit,
My statement that FE conspiracy has poor deductive reasoning has yet to be refuted!

FE Deductive reasoning:
1)the earth is flat
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)NASA says the earth is round

conclusion)therefore, NASA is lieing.

but, lets change that first premise:
1)the earth is round
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)FES says the earth is flat

conclusion) therefore, FES is lieing.

Using your own poor reasoning, i have constructed my own argument that is equally weak but also shows how you cannot base a conclusion on the fact that you are correct.
FES is alternative science. It is all based on scientific observations such as refraction, bendy light and perspective.

alternative science...
would that go along with alchemy and astrology?


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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2008, 09:47:54 PM »
Alchemy and astrology are silly and illogical. Plus Alchemy and astrology cannot be tested... Well maybe alchemy can be but has never worked.... FES is based on logic and reasoning.
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2008, 09:51:03 PM »
To further rant a bit,
My statement that FE conspiracy has poor deductive reasoning has yet to be refuted!

FE Deductive reasoning:
1)the earth is flat
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)NASA says the earth is round

conclusion)therefore, NASA is lieing.

but, lets change that first premise:
1)the earth is round
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)FES says the earth is flat

conclusion) therefore, FES is lieing.

Using your own poor reasoning, i have constructed my own argument that is equally weak but also shows how you cannot base a conclusion on the fact that you are correct.
your logic and reasoning is still in check, my friend.
and logic and reasoning imply normal science, not the alternative variety.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2008, 09:53:50 PM »
Alchemy and astrology are silly and illogical. Plus Alchemy and astrology cannot be tested... Well maybe alchemy can be but has never worked.... FES is based on logic and reasoning.
and astrology has been tested...
i am a gemini and have some traits that exibit those of gemini.
alchemy is just silly though, i agree

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2008, 09:59:50 PM »
Horoscopes are incredibly vague so they almost always work. Its a hoax.

FET complies with scientific method

There are many theories that come from FES and they can all be tested. RE'ers mock FET but they never test it... Only theoretical replies are ever seen.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2008, 10:13:14 PM »
most FE theories are just explanations of evry-day events that REes have simpler explanations for.
You cannot really test any FE evidence without being killed by the conspiracy.

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2008, 10:46:01 PM »
Southern Hemisphere flights don't take twice as long as they should.

Lolwut? That made no sense.

Lurk moar and it will, noob.





This picture is misleading. The distances on the flat earth map, are, quite honestly, incorrect and out of proportion.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2008, 10:48:44 PM »
The distance would be a straight line on a flat earth no matter which two points you were going to.

Or is all that extra jet fuel and time spent to curve out of the way just part of the conspiracy..

Haven't read the FAQ I see. That or you just ignored the answer in there.
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2008, 10:53:39 PM »
To further rant a bit,
My statement that FE conspiracy has poor deductive reasoning has yet to be refuted!

FE Deductive reasoning:
1)the earth is flat
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)NASA says the earth is round

conclusion)therefore, NASA is lieing.

but, lets change that first premise:
1)the earth is round
2)if anyone says otherwise, they are lieing
3)FES says the earth is flat

conclusion) therefore, FES is lieing.

Using your own poor reasoning, i have constructed my own argument that is equally weak but also shows how you cannot base a conclusion on the fact that you are correct.

im tired of quoting myself...
would a FEer please adress this?

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2008, 11:00:32 PM »
The distance would be a straight line on a flat earth no matter which two points you were going to.

Or is all that extra jet fuel and time spent to curve out of the way just part of the conspiracy..

Haven't read the FAQ I see. That or you just ignored the answer in there.

1. There isn't a damn thing in the FAQ about flight paths, and
2. He didn't give an answer.

wtf?
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2008, 11:54:55 PM »
What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?

Evidence I see everyday
1.  Ships disappearing from the bottom up as they move farther away.
2.  The position of the Sun, Moon, planets and stars in the sky.
3.  My daily use of satellite based communications and positioning.

Other evidence that I have observed
1.  The orbital motion of Jupiter's moons that shows orbital dynamics at work.
2.  The fact that during the Antarctic summer, the Sun shines for 24 hours.
3.  Charts based on a spherical Earth that have allowed me to navigate around the world; including the southern hemisphere.
4.  Photographs taken of the Earth from space.
5.  Observing satellites through telescopes as they pass overhead.

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2008, 12:02:33 AM »
This picture is misleading. The distances on the flat earth map, are, quite honestly, incorrect and out of proportion.

What leads you to that conclusion? 

Have you seen a more accurate flat Earth map?  At the moment, as far as I know, that is considered the best representation of flat Earth geography that we have.  It fits the description in the FAQ that the Earth is shaped like a "circle, like in the UN logo."  It also matches the map linked in the FAQ...



How would you correct those maps to make them correct and in proportion?

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2008, 03:21:00 AM »
This picture is misleading. The distances on the flat earth map, are, quite honestly, incorrect and out of proportion.

What leads you to that conclusion? 

Have you seen a more accurate flat Earth map?  At the moment, as far as I know, that is considered the best representation of flat Earth geography that we have.  It fits the description in the FAQ that the Earth is shaped like a "circle, like in the UN logo."  It also matches the map linked in the FAQ...



How would you correct those maps to make them correct and in proportion?

I'm saying the FE map in general is wrong in it's proportions. The north hemisphere is ok, but the south hemisphere countries are squashed. Africa and SA are longer in reality, as opposed to what the FE map shows. Australia is also a different shape.

And we don't even need to go into space to find out what shape they are. Ancient cartographers did a pretty good job of it long before man ever went into space. So the RE map is not necessarily purely what NASA has shown us.