Reasons for believing in FE?

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Reasons for believing in FE?
« on: October 08, 2008, 06:10:49 AM »
Since, continual bumps got no legitimate response to the OP in this thread, I decided to make a thread that couldn't be as easily stereotyped and cast aside.

In court, an objective observer such as an arbitrator, mediator, or judge takes on the active listening role as both sides present their evidence and conclusions (Burden of Proof and Burden of Refutation so to speak).

In any case, RE'ers have countless threads explaining the reasons why they believe in RE and not FE. For instance, one small reason I believe in RE because I have seen NASA's images of earth from space, and I have no reason to think they are not legitimate. FE'ers have failed to present any reasons why they believe in FE, except maybe Tom who constantly cites Rowbotham and also constantly fails to back up Rowbotham's theories. The most recent example of this is here.

A. Point 1: It is illogical to arrive at a conclusion without evidence to support the conclusion.
Point 2: You have come to a conclusion of a Flat Earth.
Point 3: If you use logic and reasoning you must have evidence.

I can see no reason why such evidence can't readily be shared with us, under such premises. FE'rs are incorrect in asserting that the public supported and common view should bear the burden of disproving every deviant view. That argument aside, is it a lack of evidence or laziness on your behalf that prevents FE'ers from presenting the reasons they side with FE?

B. This simplified proof also begs questions with 'the conspiracy'. You believe in it yet readily admit to not having witnessed a shred of evidence for it. The only reply I have ever seen suggests the conspiracy because it makes sense if FE is true. If this is the case, the logical structure is still incomplete due to its dependence on part A of my post. The conspiracy is a theory perched upon purely faith-based logic.

It is biased to not post your reasons in an attempt to avoid having your reasons disproved.
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2008, 10:56:37 AM »
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Point 1: It is illogical to arrive at a conclusion without evidence to support the conclusion.

I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.

What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 11:03:11 AM »
He already gave one reason, he is asking for yours: 
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For instance, one small reason I believe in RE because I have seen NASA's images of earth from space, and I have no reason to think they are not legitimate.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 11:16:03 AM »
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Point 1: It is illogical to arrive at a conclusion without evidence to support the conclusion.

I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.

What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?

The sun setting.
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2008, 11:18:54 AM »
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Point 1: It is illogical to arrive at a conclusion without evidence to support the conclusion.

I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.

What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?

My curved flight path from LA to Tokyo.

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 11:19:33 AM »
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Point 1: It is illogical to arrive at a conclusion without evidence to support the conclusion.

I see evidence that the earth exists as a plane every day of my life.

What evidence do you see every day which suggests that the earth is a globe?

Globes
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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2008, 11:22:42 AM »
Reasons for believing in a flat earth:

My curved flight path from Anchorage to Tokyo.

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 11:24:55 AM »
Reasons for believing in a flat earth:

My curved flight path from Anchorage to Tokyo.

The distance would be a straight line on a flat earth no matter which two points you were going to.

Or is all that extra jet fuel and time spent to curve out of the way just part of the conspiracy..

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 11:29:58 AM »
Southern Hemisphere flights don't take twice as long as they should.

Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 11:31:56 AM »
Southern Hemisphere flights don't take twice as long as they should.

Lolwut? That made no sense.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 11:32:22 AM »
Reasons for believing in a flat earth:

My curved flight path from Anchorage to Tokyo.

The distance would be a straight line on a flat earth no matter which two points you were going to.

Or is all that extra jet fuel and time spent to curve out of the way just part of the conspiracy..

No, it was to avoid Russian airspace.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 11:50:39 AM »
We have observed other planets orbiting around stars, observed they are round, and observe that they have moons much like ours that orbit around them.  Planets such as Venus are a lot like earth, they have tectonic plates, volcanic activity, an atmosphere with weather patterns much like earth, only more extreme.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 11:53:04 AM »
I believe in a round earth cuz NASA is kewl and doesnt lie.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 11:53:32 AM »
Southern Hemisphere flights don't take twice as long as they should.

Lolwut? That made no sense.

Lurk moar and it will, noob.




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Marcus Aurelius

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 11:57:46 AM »
I believe in a round earth cuz NASA is kewl and doesnt lie.

I do not contest that NASA never lies.  Everybody lies, and I am sure there are things that NASA has not told us.  I do however disagree with the notion that NASA's entire existence, and everything they do and have ever done is to support a massive lie.

EDIT:  That would require evidence.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2008, 12:04:21 PM »
the FE position is that NASA is a lie is becasue the explanation serves the conclusion.
ie: if the earth really is flat, anyone with valid proof agianst it is lieing, so
if a big government-sponsored corportation like NASA is lieing, there must be a conspiracy.

they think that NASA is lieing only becasue they assume FE and can come to no other conclusion

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2008, 12:16:04 PM »
the FE position is that NASA is a lie is becasue the explanation serves the conclusion.
ie: if the earth really is flat, anyone with valid proof agianst it is lieing, so
if a big government-sponsored corportation like NASA is lieing, there must be a conspiracy.

they think that NASA is lieing only becasue they assume FE and can come to no other conclusion


Exactly.  Because there's sufficient evidence that the earth is flat.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2008, 12:19:44 PM »
the FE position is that NASA is a lie is becasue the explanation serves the conclusion.
ie: if the earth really is flat, anyone with valid proof agianst it is lieing, so
if a big government-sponsored corportation like NASA is lieing, there must be a conspiracy.

they think that NASA is lieing only becasue they assume FE and can come to no other conclusion


Exactly.  Because there's sufficient evidence that the earth is flat.

Well the problem is that:
You think that the massive evidence on the opposing side is negated due to your assumption that you must be correct due to your evidence. poor deductive reasoning.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 12:20:36 PM »
the FE position is that NASA is a lie is becasue the explanation serves the conclusion.
ie: if the earth really is flat, anyone with valid proof agianst it is lieing, so
if a big government-sponsored corportation like NASA is lieing, there must be a conspiracy.

they think that NASA is lieing only becasue they assume FE and can come to no other conclusion


Exactly.  Because there's sufficient evidence that the earth is flat.

Well the problem is that:
You think that the massive evidence on the opposing side is negated due to your assumption that you must be correct due to your evidence. poor deductive reasoning.

I don't think the opposing evidence is so massive.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2008, 12:22:24 PM »
the FE position is that NASA is a lie is becasue the explanation serves the conclusion.
ie: if the earth really is flat, anyone with valid proof agianst it is lieing, so
if a big government-sponsored corportation like NASA is lieing, there must be a conspiracy.

they think that NASA is lieing only becasue they assume FE and can come to no other conclusion


Exactly.  Because there's sufficient evidence that the earth is flat.

Well the problem is that:
You think that the massive evidence on the opposing side is negated due to your assumption that you must be correct due to your evidence. poor deductive reasoning.

I don't think the opposing evidence is so massive.

Well yeah, because the evidence offered by the other side is assumed to be a conspiracy by the FE.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2008, 12:22:48 PM »
Regardless, you are negating evidence on an assumption that you are correct.
And i think that a single non-altered, non-conspiring video of the earth from space is plenty of evidence. NASA has quite a few of those.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2008, 12:23:44 PM »
the FE position is that NASA is a lie is becasue the explanation serves the conclusion.
ie: if the earth really is flat, anyone with valid proof agianst it is lieing, so
if a big government-sponsored corportation like NASA is lieing, there must be a conspiracy.

they think that NASA is lieing only becasue they assume FE and can come to no other conclusion


Exactly.  Because there's sufficient evidence that the earth is flat.

Well the problem is that:
You think that the massive evidence on the opposing side is negated due to your assumption that you must be correct due to your evidence. poor deductive reasoning.

I don't think the opposing evidence is so massive.

Well yeah, because the evidence offered by the other side is assumed to be a conspiracy by the FE.

Well yeah, but besides a few pictures what do they really have?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2008, 12:27:24 PM »
Massive in-space experiments,
Countless people that have been up in the shuttles,
Moon landings,
Satalites,
ect...

but im not just speaking of the evidence from nasa.
people have tested RE for quite some time now

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2008, 12:30:22 PM »
people have tested RE for quite some time now

How?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2008, 12:34:37 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

people have tested RE for quite some time now

How?
Eratosthenes did some early tests, they have been proven in RET to be very very close to exactly correct.
He among others, have attributed to RET.
very few scientists have contributed to FET.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2008, 12:37:49 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

people have tested RE for quite some time now

How?
Eratosthenes did some early tests, they have been proven in RET to be very very close to exactly correct.

Eratosthenes did nothing but estimate the circumference of the earth, assuming the earth to be a sphere.  It's a popular misconception that he somehow "proved" that the earth is round.

Got any other examples?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2008, 12:38:48 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

Look out the window.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2008, 12:48:55 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

Look out the window.

When I look out the window, I see the sun sink over the horizon, then rise in the opposite direction every day.  Looking out your window does not prove the earth is flat.

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Re: Reasons for believing in FE?
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2008, 12:50:30 PM »
Have you, first hand, seen evidence of the Round Earth?
Have you personally seen FE evidence?
what would qualify for such evidence that can be "seen"?

people have tested RE for quite some time now



How?
Eratosthenes did some early tests, they have been proven in RET to be very very close to exactly correct.

Eratosthenes did nothing but estimate the circumference of the earth, assuming the earth to be a sphere.  It's a popular misconception that he somehow "proved" that the earth is round.

Got any other examples?

http://www.sparehed.com/2008/02/25/theres-your-proof/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/03/the-earth-is-round/
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/evolk12/slm/roundearthday.htm