And you think Palin is stupid.

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #120 on: October 09, 2008, 08:56:25 AM »
India has 1.4 active military troops.

That doesn't sound like a very powerful army.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #121 on: October 09, 2008, 08:58:45 AM »
The second guy must only have 2 out of 5 appendiges.
Why justify an illegitimate attack with a legitimate response?

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #122 on: October 09, 2008, 09:11:52 AM »
Yes, total and active are two different things.  See, in the english language, different words have different meanings.  They don't just get to mean whatever you want them to for a specific usage.  As I pointed out, India has 1.4 active military troops.
You're not following, are you? You just said China could field 1,000,000 men within 6 months. I said they already have 2.25 million active troops. You replied with "1.4 million active troops from wikipedia".

I'm addressing that.

It's not, if you read my post, you'll notice that I pointed out that the online sources are a bit outdated.  The one you linked, for example, shows an update on October 9, but is referencing information from the nuclear bulletin here: http://thebulletin.metapress.com/content/hh405772860642u7/fulltext.pdf , which is only accurate to 1999.  We have dismantled thousands of missiles since then, but I forgot all about the stockpile.

The information regarding China's armaments is also outdated, and they have been steadily producing while we have been steadily destroying.
Outdated? My source shows the 2008 report.

If you count reserve, inactive missiles and warheads, etc., It appears we still have more missiles than China.  Active missiles seem to be about equal.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #123 on: October 09, 2008, 09:14:45 AM »
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Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

I don't care how big of an army China could raise in a month. It doesn't mean anything if all they have are sticks and stones to bludgeon us with. If China went to war with the US there's no way they could get their army over here to swarm us with their only asset. China doesn't have a navy of any significance. The only way they'd have a chance is to march across the ice bridge which connects Russia to Alaska. Without adequate protection many would freeze to death.

In such a skirmish US would have a constant barrage of missiles homed in on the bridge to stem the tide and then a few strategic missiles delivered to Hong Kong and their lackluster military bases to be done with them.  

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If we can bankrupt a country with the stroke of a pen, why did we need to invade Iraq after years of economic sanctions?

The US embargoes put on Iraq in the 90's bankrupted Iraq's economy and destroyed the nation's basic industries. Iraq has been hardly prosperous over the last two decades since then. This latest military incursion into its lands is just the final shot to end the pain of a wounded animal.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #124 on: October 09, 2008, 09:21:34 AM »
China's army is meaning less considering they have no way of getting anywhere across the ocean.


Also the blackwater #s are false as well


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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #125 on: October 09, 2008, 09:28:31 AM »
The only way they'd have a chance is to march across the ice bridge which connects Russia to Alaska. Without adequate protection many would freeze to death.

Which links conveniently to Ms Palin's "foreign policy experience".  I knew she'd come in useful!

Also, regarding "freezing to death".  I'm sure they'd wear warm coats.  Underestimating China's thermal underwear potential is foolish in the extreme.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #126 on: October 09, 2008, 09:29:45 AM »
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Wow, Tom, this is some silly shit!  Do you really believe the crap in bold?  You do realize that within six months, China could field an army of nearly 1,000,000 men?  That India has nearly twice as many nuclear weapons as either the US or Russia, or that a platoon of Israeli soldiers could likely defeat 5 or 6 platoons of American forces?  Do you realize that there are more Blackwater, Inc. mercenaries on the ground in Iraq than there are American Troops?

I don't care how big of an army China could raise in a month. It doesn't mean anything if all they have are sticks and stones to bulgeon us with. If China went to war with the US there's no way they could get their army over here to swarm us with their only asses. China doesn't have a navy of any significance. The only way they'd have a chance is to march across the ice bridge which connects Russia to Alaska. Without adequate protection many would freeze to death.

The US would likely have a constant barrage of missiles homed in on the bridge to stem the tide.  

Ever heard of the Port of Long Beach?  China could easily move up to 160,000 troops per day onto US soil through our own harbor, which Billary sold to them several years ago.  The port processes, on average, 19,900 20-foot containers (TEUs) each day, with each able to hold nearly 100 men with gear.

This is all beside the point.  The point is that no matter what propaganda you have chosen to buy into, the US is in many ways less powerful than it tries to make itself out to be.  We are certainly not the state-crushing machine your gung-ho patriotism deludes you into believing.  Stop watching Fox and Freinds, and take in a BBC World News Broadcast now and again.

Troops marching across the land-bridge, LOL.  Where does he come up with this stuff?

Don't worry, if Obama wins, Palin can keep the russians from invading... Alaska. LOL.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #127 on: October 09, 2008, 09:31:05 AM »
China's army is meaning less considering they have no way of getting anywhere across the ocean.

Also the blackwater #s are false as well



Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #128 on: October 09, 2008, 09:33:45 AM »
China is currently researching blue-water navy. Maybe some day in the future they can transport troops across the Pacific Ocean via navy. It's true that their power projection is very limited. The Americans, having the most powerful navy right now, pretty much dominates the whole Pacific Ocean.

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #129 on: October 09, 2008, 09:37:27 AM »
the US is in many ways less powerful than it tries to make itself out to be.
It's true.

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #130 on: October 09, 2008, 09:40:49 AM »
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #131 on: October 09, 2008, 09:41:58 AM »
China is currently researching blue-water navy. Maybe some day in the future they can transport troops across the Pacific Ocean via navy. It's true that their power projection is very limited. The Americans, having the most powerful navy right now, pretty much dominates the whole Pacific Ocean.

Don't forget the Atlantic, we dominate that too.

So china will be ready to start moving people out in what, 20 years then?

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #132 on: October 09, 2008, 09:44:10 AM »
China isn't America, they have no desire to police the world. They have no reason to go anywhere.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #133 on: October 09, 2008, 09:50:53 AM »
China isn't America, they have no desire to police the world. They have no reason to go anywhere.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #134 on: October 09, 2008, 10:15:26 AM »
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

And how long ago was this?  The US currently has right around 122k troops in Iraq.  This is up from a year or so ago.  Estimates of Blackwater personell in country vary dramatically, from 44,000 through nearly 200,000.  The numbers I put the most faith in say around 135,000 operatives.  This is debatable, but not winnable, since neither Blackwater nor the US government feels inclined to disclose accurate numbers for obvious reasons.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #135 on: October 09, 2008, 10:18:47 AM »
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

And how long ago was this?  The US currently has right around 122k troops in Iraq.  This is up from a year or so ago.  Estimates of Blackwater personell in country vary dramatically, from 44,000 through nearly 200,000.  The numbers I put the most faith in say around 135,000 operatives.  This is debatable, but not winnable, since neither Blackwater nor the US government feels inclined to disclose accurate numbers for obvious reasons.

My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #136 on: October 09, 2008, 10:27:56 AM »
Meaningless is one word.  Support your claim that Blackwater uses false numbers.  (eleventy-two?)

My source, is the intelligence briefings I got over there every day when I was flying missions into Tikrit and Bahgdad and Irbil and Mosul and Fallujah.  We had to know where those dudes were so as not to have blue on blue incidents.

You show yours first.  You've already been called on your missile information being incorrect.  I think we already know where this one is going.

And how long ago was this?  The US currently has right around 122k troops in Iraq.  This is up from a year or so ago.  Estimates of Blackwater personell in country vary dramatically, from 44,000 through nearly 200,000.  The numbers I put the most faith in say around 135,000 operatives.  This is debatable, but not winnable, since neither Blackwater nor the US government feels inclined to disclose accurate numbers for obvious reasons.

My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2008, 10:29:01 AM »
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2008, 10:30:43 AM »
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
uh... Bruce wasn't in that one...

Sinatra?

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2008, 10:33:28 AM »
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
uh... Bruce wasn't in that one...

Sinatra?

Oops sorry, I was thinking of a different movie. 

I haven't seen that one. 

Was that a compliment or an insult?

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #140 on: October 09, 2008, 10:34:45 AM »
Shut up you Manchurian candidate

Are you calling me Bruce Willis?
uh... Bruce wasn't in that one...

Sinatra?
Oops sorry, I was thinking of a different movie. 

I haven't seen that one. 

Was that a compliment or an insult?
Uh... it was an insult. Kinda. It doesn't really fit. I am implying that you were brainwashed. But, as i said... it doesn't really fit. Also... America is my friend.
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My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

Left wing?  Are you high?  I make Newt look like Mao.  I am so far to the right of the average republican, they think I'm religious.  If I had my way, Welfare, Social Security, Farm Entitlements, all National Endowments, etc. would be phased out ASAP  They are socialist constructs.  If I had my way, every citizen would have a mandatory military stint at 18, and the currently fielded Assault Rifle in thier closet, Israeli/Switzerland style.  The Presidential term would be three years, with only one term allowed, and the congresspeople would get 5 years.  All holders of federal political office would be required to maintain gainful employment, and no one would be allowed to serve in more than one capacity in their lifetime.  That means if you run successfully for the House, you're out in four, and can never hold another federal political position again.  Campaign spending would be limited to around $50,000 for congressional races, and $200,000 for the presidential race.

Now then, I didn't post a link because I looked at about 6, and they were all quite different.  Look for yourself, there is no authority on the subject, the actual numbers are classified.  That's why it's not debatable, there is no good evidence either way.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #142 on: October 09, 2008, 10:37:07 AM »


My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

Left wing?  Are you high?  I make Newt look like Mao.  I am so far to the right of the average republican, they think I'm religious.  If I had my way, Welfare, Social Security, Farm Entitlements, all National Endowments, etc. would be phased out ASAP  They are socialist constructs.  If I had my way, every citizen would have a mandatory military stint at 18, and the currently fielded Assault Rifle in thier closet, Israeli/Switzerland style.  The Presidential term would be three years, with only one term allowed, and the congresspeople would get 5 years.  All holders of federal political office would be required to maintain gainful employment, and no one would be allowed to serve in more than one capacity in their lifetime.  That means if you run successfully for the House, you're out in four, and can never hold another federal political position again.  Campaign spending would be limited to around $50,000 for congressional races, and $200,000 for the presidential race.

Now then, I didn't post a link because I looked at about 6, and they were all quite different.  Look for yourself, there is no authority on the subject, the actual numbers are classified.  That's why it's not debatable, there is no good evidence either way.

Explain to me again why we don't like each other.  I now think you may be an Alt of mine.  ;D
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My last deployment was 2004.  I see you posting numbers up but I don't see a link.  If you want, I can post some numbers up too? It's hardly debatable if neither side can produce evidence to the contrary.  I'm going off personal experience.  You are going off (probably) some left wing website.  Explain to me why your "source" is better?

Left wing?  Are you high?  I make Newt look like Mao.  I am so far to the right of the average republican, they think I'm religious.  If I had my way, Welfare, Social Security, Farm Entitlements, all National Endowments, etc. would be phased out ASAP  They are socialist constructs.  If I had my way, every citizen would have a mandatory military stint at 18, and the currently fielded Assault Rifle in thier closet, Israeli/Switzerland style.  The Presidential term would be three years, with only one term allowed, and the congresspeople would get 5 years.  All holders of federal political office would be required to maintain gainful employment, and no one would be allowed to serve in more than one capacity in their lifetime.  That means if you run successfully for the House, you're out in four, and can never hold another federal political position again.  Campaign spending would be limited to around $50,000 for congressional races, and $200,000 for the presidential race.

Now then, I didn't post a link because I looked at about 6, and they were all quite different.  Look for yourself, there is no authority on the subject, the actual numbers are classified.  That's why it's not debatable, there is no good evidence either way.

Explain to me again why we don't like each other.  I know think you may be an Alt of mine.  ;D

Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct grammer  :P

I automatically liked you because you had the balls to serve.  I have too many authority issues, and would have been drummed out of the Corps within a month for insubordination.

Make no mistake, politically, I feel we should not be in Iraq.  However, if I catch a mutherfucker disrespecting someone who has actually put thier ass on the line over there, they will bleed.  I feel one of America's most embarrassing legacies (right after the destruction of the native nations, the institution of slavery, and sitting on our asses while 12 million Jews were slaughtered) was the way the troops returning from Vietnam were treated.

I oppose the war, but support our troops.

I love my country, but I fear my government.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #144 on: October 09, 2008, 11:07:07 AM »
Joe Biden and Sarah Palin are both idiots. 

Nuff said.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #145 on: October 09, 2008, 11:12:43 AM »
Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct gramme:P

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« Reply #146 on: October 09, 2008, 11:18:11 AM »
Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct gramme:P

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Sorry, again, I forget people here don't know me.  If I use a smiley, it's to point out intentional irony.
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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #147 on: October 09, 2008, 12:31:45 PM »

Who said we don't like one another?  I like you just fine.  You have differing opinions and have thought about them enough to actually annoy me while argueing.  Most people I don't agree with simply wither under my barrage of correct grammer  :P

Sorry, from a prior post I thought we were on the verge of fistacuffs.

I do my best.  ;D

I automatically liked you because you had the balls to serve.  I have too many authority issues, and would have been drummed out of the Corps within a month for insubordination.

You should see my fitness reports, and I don't mean how fast I can run, or how many pull-ups I can do.  Might be the reason I haven't been promoted in 7 years.  ;)


Make no mistake, politically, I feel we should not be in Iraq.  However, if I catch a mutherfucker disrespecting someone who has actually put thier ass on the line over there, they will bleed.  I feel one of America's most embarrassing legacies (right after the destruction of the native nations, the institution of slavery, and sitting on our asses while 12 million Jews were slaughtered) was the way the troops returning from Vietnam were treated.

I will admit.  I am not 100% sure we should still be there.  I do agree 100% we needed to go there to begin with though.

I oppose the war, but support our troops.

Cool.  Just remember the best way to support the troops is to keep those care packages coming.  They love those.

I love my country, but I fear my government.

Amen brother, Amen.  Even though I work for the viscous bastards.  ;D

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Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #148 on: October 09, 2008, 12:38:42 PM »
get a room.

Re: And you think Palin is stupid.
« Reply #149 on: October 09, 2008, 12:43:32 PM »
get a room.

I admit, I am starting to get a little gay on Wardogg.  I'll bet he's all muscley and high and tight.

Did I just type that?
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