Why conspiracy?

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Why conspiracy?
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:07:24 AM »
Although I am new, and although I am a RE'r, I sitll wonder without malice, why do the FE'r believe that everything about RE is a conspiracy, why the government is supposedly making everything up? I know this is covered in depth in some of the FAQs, I would prefer a summarized explanation by an educated and influencial FE'r. Thanks.

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MadDogX

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 06:10:12 AM »
I would prefer a summarized explanation by an educated and influencial FE'r. Thanks.

LOL... erm.


Well, I'm not an FE'er but the reasons for the conspiracy are basically: if the Earth is flat there must be a conspiracy. People like NASA who publically advocate the notion that the Earth is round would necessarily be lying if the Earth were actually flat. That's the whole logic behind it.
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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 06:12:30 AM »
But why would NASA lie about things like this? I don't know, I intend to try to prove that the Earth is indeed spherical through scientific reasoning on here, rather than government conspiracy. If proof is even possible.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 06:17:02 AM »
But why would NASA lie about things like this?
Why else? Profit.

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MadDogX

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 06:17:54 AM »
As stated in the FAQ, the motivation behind the alleged conspiracy is not known. But since FE'ers are "convinced" that the Earth is flat, the motivation is not really relevant to them. Without the conspiracy, the Earth would have been proven round, therefore the conspiracy must exist.
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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 06:21:18 AM »
We don't know why NASA is brainwashing the world.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 06:22:24 AM »
Better luck next time, markjo. ;)

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markjo

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2008, 06:28:24 AM »
Better luck next time, markjo. ;)

I suppose that's what I get for not doing well in typing class.   :(
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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MadDogX

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2008, 06:34:54 AM »
Considering that they actually do spend hundreds of millions on materials and contract work, I totally agree with goldstein. It is highly unlikely that the cost/benefit ratio of such a huge conspiracy would be worthwhile.
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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2008, 06:38:20 AM »
Considering that they actually do spend hundreds of millions on materials and contract work, I totally agree with goldstein. It is highly unlikely that the cost/benefit ratio of such a huge conspiracy would be worthwhile.
And you actually know this how?

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2008, 06:39:19 AM »
Considering that they actually do spend hundreds of millions on materials and contract work, I totally agree with goldstein. It is highly unlikely that the cost/benefit ratio of such a huge conspiracy would be worthwhile.
And you actually know this how?

Do you think NASA gets materials and contract work for free?
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I want an Orion slave woman :(
Okay, I admit it.  The earth isn't flat.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2008, 06:41:03 AM »
Considering that they actually do spend hundreds of millions on materials and contract work, I totally agree with goldstein. It is highly unlikely that the cost/benefit ratio of such a huge conspiracy would be worthwhile.
And you actually know this how?

Do you think NASA gets materials and contract work for free?
I think they don't get as much as they say they do.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 06:47:22 AM »
Assumption of fact without evidence?
What? Are we discussing RET now?

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2008, 07:03:04 AM »
What? Are we discussing RET now?

Nope, we're deep in the heartlands of Tom Bishop conspiracy. I'm saying you have no evidence to support your claims (NASA expenditure fiddle)
Since NASA cannot possibly be doing the stuff they say they are, they must be lying about where most of the money is going.

Really very simple, even for an REer.

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2008, 07:10:02 AM »
What? Are we discussing RET now?

Nope, we're deep in the heartlands of Tom Bishop conspiracy. I'm saying you have no evidence to support your claims (NASA expenditure fiddle)
Since NASA cannot possibly be doing the stuff they say they are, they must be lying about where most of the money is going.

Really very simple, even for an REer.

And yet countless GAO audits never caught never revealed any of this?
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MadDogX

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2008, 07:21:11 AM »
By definition, contract work means that they are paying other companies to work for them. So, what? They are just pretending to pay these companies? I assume that their employees only pretend to expect a salary every month.
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Okay, I admit it.  The earth isn't flat.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2008, 07:24:11 AM »
Many of these companies might not even exist. You have no way of knowing.

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MadDogX

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2008, 07:34:38 AM »
Many of these companies might not even exist. You have no way of knowing.

 ::)

If that's the strongest argument up your sleeve, you might aswell give up now. I'm pretty sure you're an intelligent person, so I don't think I need to explain why that argument makes no sense.
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I want an Orion slave woman :(
Okay, I admit it.  The earth isn't flat.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2008, 07:35:51 AM »
Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

My point still stands though.

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MadDogX

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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2008, 07:39:26 AM »
Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

My point still stands though.

Your point is based on the assumption that the conspiracy is financially motivated. Since that theory has turned out to be rather weak, you might want to look for a different motive.
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I want an Orion slave woman :(
Okay, I admit it.  The earth isn't flat.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 07:40:28 AM »
Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

My point still stands though.

Your point is based on the assumption that the conspiracy is financially motivated.
No, it merely indicates financial motivation.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2008, 07:55:36 AM »
Many of these companies might not even exist. You have no way of knowing.

Another appeal to ignorance.

Maybe if you could show us a company that NASA claims to pay, and then show us proof that the company doesn't exist...

Otherwise we're still in kookoo land.
Prove a negative? The burden is on you. These mysterious companies are RET's responsibility. ::)

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 07:56:07 AM »
Many of these companies might not even exist. You have no way of knowing.

You know, I've been waiting for something like this.  My Father-in-Law is a project manager, he manages the Voyager and Ulysses projects for JPL NASA.  Technically, he works for Cal-Tech, and has to audit both of these missions annually.  He has been to visit most of the vendors on both missions; Cal Tech has sent him to Germany, Greece, and the Netherlands to oversee some of the vendor work.

I can assure you, he is not part of the consipiracy - he is a Tuskegee man - and a Tuskegee man could never be 'The' man.  I can also assure you that he gets paid, that his entire mission teams get paid, and the vendors get paid - every last one of them on his projects.

So where is the motivation for the conspiracy?  All the money is going to individuals.
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Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 08:02:52 AM »
Many of these companies might not even exist. You have no way of knowing.

Another appeal to ignorance.

Maybe if you could show us a company that NASA claims to pay, and then show us proof that the company doesn't exist...

Otherwise we're still in kookoo land.
Prove a negative? The burden is on you. These mysterious companies are RET's responsibility. ::)

Nope there's no burden on me. What you're promoting is against conventional opinion, you need to do the leg work here.
This is the Flat Earth Society. What do you think the conventional opinion is around here?

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 08:20:38 AM »
This is the Flat Earth Society. What do you think the conventional opinion is around here?

That the Earth is round.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2008, 08:29:21 AM »
This is the Flat Earth Society. What do you think the conventional opinion is around here?

I think it's conventional in a nut house to smear your own faeces on the walls.
Psychosis varies from individual to individual. Nothing is conventional in an insane asylum.

Sorry, but you fail yet again.

This is the Flat Earth Society. What do you think the conventional opinion is around here?

That the Earth is round.
Typical RE logic. ::)

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2008, 08:31:40 AM »
This is the Flat Earth Society. What do you think the conventional opinion is around here?

That the Earth is round.
Typical RE logic. ::)
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No it is Zetetic logic.  I go and observe, see what the results are and base my conclusions on those observations.  Based on observations of the FES forum, the conventional opinion of the majority of people here is that the Earth is round.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2008, 08:33:53 AM »
This is the Flat Earth Society. What do you think the conventional opinion is around here?

That the Earth is round.
Typical RE logic. ::)

No it is Zetetic logic.  I go and observe, see what the results are and base my conclusions on those observations.  Based on observations of the FES forum, the conventional opinion of the majority of people here is that the Earth is round.
Then you need to lurk moar.

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2008, 08:37:20 AM »
Then you need to lurk moar.

No, the majority of posters here on this site have always had leanings toward a round Earth.  Whether it is blatant, or people confessing that they are really round Earth believers posting as FEers "for fun."

Re: Why conspiracy?
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2008, 08:38:54 AM »
Who would waste so much time on a forum pretending to believe the earth is flat? That's completely absurd.