Bosnyian Pyramids

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Bosnyian Pyramids
« on: September 28, 2008, 07:01:10 AM »
It would appear that worldwide recognition regarding the Bosnian Pyramids has happened at the first International Scientific Conference

http://www.philipcoppens.com/nap_icbp.html



Some of the Committee Members.

 On August 29, 2008, these were the conclusions the scientific conference reached. The Committee for Recommendation consisted of:
- dr. Nabil Swelim, Egyptologists and archaeologist, President of the ICBP 2008
- dr. Oleg Khavroshkin, geophysicist, Chairman of the ICBP Scientific Committee
- dr. Alaa Shaheen, archaeologist, Dean of the Faculty of Archaeology at the Cairo University
- dr. Hassan El-Saady, historian, vice-dean of the Faculty of Arts at the Alexandria University
- dr. Anna Pazdur, physician, Lab for the radiocarbon dating, Silesian University, Gliwice, Poland
- dr. Mona Haggag, archaeologist, Secretary of the Archaeological Society of Alexandria, Egypt
- dr. Ivan Šimatovic, President of the Organizational Committee, Croatia
- dr. Mostafa El-Abbadi, historian, Founder of the modern Library in Alexandria (Bibliotheca Alexandrina), Egypt
- Chris Norman, planner, Edinburgh, Great Britain
- Dr. Mohamed Ibrahim Aly, Egyptologist and archaeologist, Faculty of Art at the University Ein-Shams, Cairo
- Semir Osmanagic, Founder of the “Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun” Foundation and Vice-President of the ICBP 2008.




What portions of history and archeology may no longer be considered valid should this discovery reshape current knowledge of Europe's past?

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 10:18:28 AM »
It would appear that worldwide recognition regarding the Bosnian Pyramids has happened at the first International Scientific Conference

http://www.philipcoppens.com/nap_icbp.html



Some of the Committee Members.

 On August 29, 2008, these were the conclusions the scientific conference reached. The Committee for Recommendation consisted of:
- dr. Nabil Swelim, Egyptologists and archaeologist, President of the ICBP 2008
- dr. Oleg Khavroshkin, geophysicist, Chairman of the ICBP Scientific Committee
- dr. Alaa Shaheen, archaeologist, Dean of the Faculty of Archaeology at the Cairo University
- dr. Hassan El-Saady, historian, vice-dean of the Faculty of Arts at the Alexandria University
- dr. Anna Pazdur, physician, Lab for the radiocarbon dating, Silesian University, Gliwice, Poland
- dr. Mona Haggag, archaeologist, Secretary of the Archaeological Society of Alexandria, Egypt
- dr. Ivan Šimatovic, President of the Organizational Committee, Croatia
- dr. Mostafa El-Abbadi, historian, Founder of the modern Library in Alexandria (Bibliotheca Alexandrina), Egypt
- Chris Norman, planner, Edinburgh, Great Britain
- Dr. Mohamed Ibrahim Aly, Egyptologist and archaeologist, Faculty of Art at the University Ein-Shams, Cairo
- Semir Osmanagic, Founder of the “Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun” Foundation and Vice-President of the ICBP 2008.




What portions of history and archeology may no longer be considered valid should this discovery reshape current knowledge of Europe's past?

i didnt feel like reading it but this was cool

so basically there are pyramids buried underground there?
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 10:35:35 AM »
i didnt feel like reading it but this was cool

so basically there are pyramids buried underground there?

Yes... Of course... I have been cut throat with others over their existence. Some people refuse to see the pyramids but now as you can see in the list many professionals have validated their existence.

The most important thing from the article is this...

"That the pyramids might be an unknown dimension to the Vinca culture is a “cautious” approach, and, in fact, the conclusions of carbon dating of a piece of wood recovered from the Ravne tunnels were presented by Andrew Lawler and Anna Pazdur. Though they noted that it was a unique artefact (radio carbon dates preferentially being done over a range of artefacts, not just one, so that a range of dates is arrived at), the conclusion was that the piece of wood was 34,000 years old – which could, in theory, be the date when these pyramids were created. If true (and only further digging will tell), then the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids will not merely change a paradigm, but completely shatter it. To be continued, in 2010."


There is another Terra Formed monument which has sunken off the Coast of Japan... No-one will give it recognition as they think it is "natural"... But it certainly looks real...

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/japan.html

Skeptics sometimes do more damage than good... imo...

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 01:21:51 PM »
why dont they just dig to see if there is a pyramid
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 02:12:52 PM »
why dont they just dig to see if there is a pyramid

They are and they have been...

They have been met with extreme prejudice... And people have attempted to shut them down because they felt the formation was natural rather than man made.

For Example... People took pictures of things like this... and reported it as a hoax...



But they would fail to show images like this...





I don't know why...




I mean... compared to this ancient Roman Road... it looks man made to me...

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 02:19:41 PM »
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But they would fail to show images like this...

Wouldn't it be an order of a magnitude easier to make a little uncovered part of the pyramid near the top than to start at the bottom and create massive caverns and risk lives with cave-ins just to see the base of the pyramid?
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2008, 02:24:19 PM »
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But they would fail to show images like this...

Wouldn't it be an order of a magnitude easier make a little uncovered part of the pyramid near the top than to start at the bottom and create massive caverns and risk lives with cave-ins just to see the base of the pyramid?
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2008, 02:31:59 PM »
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But they would fail to show images like this...

Wouldn't it be an order of a magnitude easier make a little uncovered part of the pyramid near the top than to start at the bottom and create massive caverns and risk lives with cave-ins just to see the base of the pyramid?

There is an extensive network of tunnels already there...



Apparently there are some areas which have been built on top of so it makes it issue of sorts. Really... it it very difficult to figure everything out with so many people saying it's a hoax while others say it is real...

That list of people who have validated it is really the only thing which I can go on... There has been so much criticism and hatred around the whole event that it is hard to see it clearly...



I was convinced when there were mentions of stone balls...



These are the same things they find in South America are they not?
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2008, 04:52:14 AM »
In the interest of saving myself time with dealing with all the new, paradigm-shifting, irrefutably correct ideas out there today I've devised my first edition crank theory checklist:

Crank Theory Checklist:

1. Demonstrate the validity of the theory by having a list of experts that agree with it.

2. Completely ignore experts that reject it.

3. Show a bunch of "irrefutable" evidence to people who don't really know much about the field (not that you do yourself) then say that people who raise objections to this evidence are being unreasonable (even if they actually know something about the field).

4. Don't mention the objections that have been raised or portray a strawman of these objections.

5. Don't actually counter these objections, instead argue against the motivation of these objections (e.g. they're scared of the paradigm shift, they're too set in their ways, they can't think open-mindedly about it, etc).

6. Victimize yourself and say that all the objections are born out of prejudice. Especially good if you can portray actions/quotes as motivated by mallice.

You will note that it doesn't actually bother with the theory and this is intentional. Personally I try to learn about a subject before I make an opnion about it one way or the other. This is my checklist of things that I find common among crank theories that more than often turn out to be wrong and is intended to save me time.

Feel free to stop being the victim and pretending you're one of the few "open-minded" people out there and how about trying to post the information again so you don't come across as such a crank.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2008, 04:59:40 AM »
Though, they do have pictures of the pyramids themselves. I would consider that rather strong evidence.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2008, 05:05:39 AM »
Feel free to stop being the victim and pretending you're one of the few "open-minded" people out there and how about trying to post the information again so you don't come across as such a crank.

I have my own list... it is much better than yours...

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

I am not pretending to be one of the few with open minds... I am simply disgusted with the overwhelming amount of closed minded people.

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2. Completely ignore experts that reject it.


Here is my list of how to spot a CRackPOt scientist.

1. Completely ignore the people who do validate the theory. Make fun of them. Call them names. If they hold PHD's immediately search for reason as to why their PHD is no good. Imagine they forged it.

2. Refuse to allow two or more theories into your daily regime of test tube cleaning to make your life easier.

3. Refuse to accept evidence for what it is. Even if it is a pyramid the size of your head.

4. Slander and spread ill will to anyone else who does not subscribe to your immediate belief system.

5. Attack others with outrageous claims of being a crackpot for presenting completely valid ideas/facts/evidence without offering anything but misguided rules as to why their logic is flawed offering no evidence to refute the scientific claim.

6. Accept everything as fact even thought you have no idea how the conclusion was arrived at. Meet everything with absolute scrutiny. Use your scrutiny to arrive at a biased opinion.

7. Demand proof be handed to you on a silver platter. Refuse to take the matter into your own hands.


Here are your papers... Get back to me when you grow a mind of your own.

ReportsThe Pyramid Hills: Visocica and Pljesevica Hrasce
Author: dr. Nabil Swelim
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/dr%20Swelim%20report%20February%202008.pdf

Seismic Fields and Signals Peculiarities Besides
Authors: Khavroshkin, V. V. Tsyplakov
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/edited_Seismic_Fields_and_Signals_Peculiarities_Besides%5B1%5D.pdf

The geological and Geo-archaeological Observations on the Bosnian Pyramids in Visoko
Author: Dr. Aly A. Barakat
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/Aly%20Barakat%20Report%202006.pdf

The Analyses of the Landscape and Topography
Author: Enver Buza, Geodesist
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/ORIENTATION%20OF%20THE%20PYRAMIDS%20GEODESY.pdf

Scientific Report
Author: Project team
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/egeoloskivisocicaokt2005.pdf

LGA Bautechnik GmbH Report
Author: LGA Bautechnik GmbH
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/AbschlussBerichtVisoko1.pdf

Multidisciplinary Project
Author: Project team
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/multidisciplinarni_I_Dio.pdf

Remote Sensing Analysis of the Bosnian “Pyramid” Complex by Amer Smailbegovic, Ph.D., Geophysicist, Reno
Author: Amer Smailbegovic, Ph.D. Geophysicist
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/Geophysical%20Analysis.pdf

Geological report
Author: Nadjija Nukic, Geologist
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/PDFS/egeoloskivisocicaokt2005.pdf
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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2008, 05:26:52 AM »
I have my own list... it is much better than yours...

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

I am not pretending to be one of the few with open minds... I am simply disgusted with the overwhelming amount of closed minded people.

I like it, I may need to make more concise though - hope you don't mind me editing it for my own use.

Though, they do have pictures of the pyramids themselves. I would consider that rather strong evidence.

I must have missed these. Was it this one:


or this one:


maybe these ones:



I don't really know that much about geology but I'm pretty sure that just because we see objects in tha landscape doesn't mean those objects are manmade.


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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2008, 05:33:31 AM »
Sure, but bricks do not lay themselves.


Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2008, 05:45:01 AM »
Don't they?


Besides, don't forget the careful work of the excavation.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2008, 05:53:27 AM »
Sean... The entire Bosnian Community including experts from around the world are in a conspiracy against you.

You are crackpot sir... and the evidence which you have provided does not look a thing like the pictures presented.

Here is the definitive word from an "expert"... ( since PHD's are not acceptable to you )

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ba/index.php/component/option,com_seyret/Itemid,127/id,23/task,videodirectlink/




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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2008, 06:02:58 AM »
Sean... The entire Bosnian Community including experts from around the world are in a conspiracy against you.

You are crackpot sir... and the evidence which you have provided does not look a thing like the pictures presented.

Really?



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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008, 06:12:30 AM »
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 06:16:24 AM »
None of those? What about these?



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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008, 06:22:46 AM »
None of those? What about these?

That last one looks sort of like a pyramid?

Are there two other Pyramid structures in the area with laid brick work and and tunnel systems?

Perhaps they were built by Mound Builders?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_builder_(people)

When I say Mound Builders... I am referring to the world wide phenominon of ancient people building mounds which are shaped like pyramids.

North American Indians, South Americans, Asians, Africans... And surprise surprise... perhaps Europeans as well...



Here is a list of the Professionals backing the project.

http://www.icbp.ba/index.php/Presidency.html

Remember Sean... The whole world is a conspiracy...
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 06:46:07 AM »
None of those? What about these?

That last one looks sort of like a pyramid?

Are there two other Pyramid structures in the area with laid brick work and and tunnel systems?

Perhaps they were built by Mound Builders?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_builder_(people)

Or maybe they're just natural formations.

Next lot:



Which ones are natural and which ones are man-made?

Also, is it odd that some of the "pavers" have ripples on them?



Do you think this is natural or man made?


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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 07:05:38 AM »
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2008, 07:06:14 AM »
So, why is it so incredible to you that there are pyramids in Bosnia?
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2008, 07:15:52 AM »
So, why is it so incredible to you that there are pyramids in Bosnia?

Are you talking to me? It is no big deal...

But I would like to someday know more about this world.

In other words... I have listened to both sides of the story... and some of the Geologists who are trying to refute the dig site are ludicrous with their explanations....

I am not impressed with Sean's pictures in an attempt to refute the findings... If Professionals backing the finding say to go ahead... then by all means... the Pyramids are happening...

Now it's wait and see ( apparently they cannot dig all year round like in different climates )... maybe they will find more compelling evidence... maybe they won't... ( highly doubtful )

Armchair Scientists have no right to stop what could be the greatest and most important find of our time...

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2008, 07:30:30 AM »
I'm not interested in your photos Mr Kappa, I don't pretend to know about geology or archeology. I'm trying to find out whether or not we can trust your opinion when it comes to the photos. How is it that you ruled out that the "pavers" in those photos could have been caused naturally?

Have you got an explanation for the ripples in some of the "pavers" yet?

So, why is it so incredible to you that there are pyramids in Bosnia?

I don't have an opinion on the pyramids one way or the other. I'm no geological or archeological expert, nor have I ever been to the site. To be honest I don't care. All I'm try to demonstrate is that while Mr Kappa probably shouldn't be so convinced himself and as such probably shouldn't get on his high horse.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2008, 07:35:35 AM »
Have you got an explanation for the ripples in some of the "pavers" yet?

Sean... It is not my job to interpret the information... I have provided the list of professional who support the project with papers and reports to back it... You began your argument with claims that professionals are a crackpot means to validate science I might add...

You my friend have fired a salvo of purely interpretive arguments...

Egyptologist's have confirmed mortar work...

Your arrogance is not appreciated... You do not realize the sort of power you have to influence people... And you treat your power like it is nothing.

YOU are irresponsible.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2008, 07:41:25 AM »
Sean... It is not my job to interpret the information... I have provided the list of professional who support the project with papers and reports to back it... You began your argument with claims that professionals are a crackpot means to validate science I might add...

You my friend have fired a salvo of purely interpretive arguments...

Egyptology's have confirmed mortar work...

Your arrogance is not appreciated... You do not realize the sort of power you have to influence people... And you treat your power like it is nothing.

YOU are irresponsible.

Sorry, I didn't realize the way I was supposed to argue was with a list of experts.

What I'm asking is why you are so ready to throw your hat in with one lot of experts who have said it is a pyramid and not with the other lot of experts who say it isn't? Hell, you're not even certain about which photos were actually of or from the pyramid.

Have you seen any explanation for the ripples?
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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2008, 07:56:26 AM »
Have you seen any explanation for the ripples?

Lack of evidence or explanation is not proof of anything...

There are three large pyramid structures with and extensive tunnel networks... neolithic artifacts... Professionals from around the world who back the project...

AND giant round stone balls similar to the neolithic stone balls found in South America in the immediate vicinity...

This is all you need to continue the project...

If you need a non-professional answer from someone like myself... I will say it could be 35,000 years worth of water damage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12320566/

"German archaeologists working the valley recently found 24,000 Neolithic artifacts just 3 feet (1 meter) below ground"



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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2008, 08:03:48 AM »
Have you seen any explanation for the ripples?

Lack of evidence or explanation is not proof of anything...

There are three large pyramid structures with and extensive tunnel networks... neolithic artifacts... Professionals from around the world who back the project...

AND giant round stone balls similar to the neolithic stone balls found in South America in the immediate vicinity...

This is all you need to continue the project...

If you need a non-professional answer from someone like myself... I will say it could be 35,000 years worth of water damage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12320566/

"German archaeologists working the valley recently found 24,000 Neolithic artifacts just 3 feet (1 meter) below ground"


Not round balls!



Again, if I were to start putting up pictures of man made objects and natural objects how many do you think you could work out which was which?

Here you are bagging out "armchair" scientists when the geologists and archeologists who are speaking out against this have a lot more experience in the field than you do.

You don't know shit, don't pretend you do and pull your head out of your ass.

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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2008, 08:04:19 AM »
ZOMG! Pavers!


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Re: Bosnyian Pyramids
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2008, 08:21:15 AM »
Have you seen any explanation for the ripples?

Lack of evidence or explanation is not proof of anything...

There are three large pyramid structures with and extensive tunnel networks... neolithic artifacts... Professionals from around the world who back the project...

AND giant round stone balls similar to the neolithic stone balls found in South America in the immediate vicinity...

This is all you need to continue the project...

If you need a non-professional answer from someone like myself... I will say it could be 35,000 years worth of water damage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12320566/

"German archaeologists working the valley recently found 24,000 Neolithic artifacts just 3 feet (1 meter) below ground"


Not round balls!



Again, if I were to start putting up pictures of man made objects and natural objects how many do you think you could work out which was which?

Here you are bagging out "armchair" scientists when the geologists and archeologists who are speaking out against this have a lot more experience in the field than you do.

You don't know shit, don't pretend you do and pull your head out of your ass.

You are posting out of context... post the entire story from the site... and remember there is no real science on that website... it is an anti-pyramid website. Cranks...

http://irna.lautre.net/Tout-ce-que-la-nature-ne-peut-pas,45.html

Do not forget to read their critique of the alphabet...
http://irna.lautre.net/In-which-the-proto-Bosnian.html

Read their credibility attack against the professionals who back the site...
http://irna.lautre.net/Some-thoughts-about-Dr-Nabil.html


Is this a Neolithic Settlement?



http://www.orkneyjar.com/archaeology/wideford.htm




And please do read this article... There is more than science at work here... There is hatred contempt and possibly political issues... Notice how the Mid-evil remains on top of the pyramid look like natural geological formations?

"Enormous damage to the royal city of Tall"
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=hr&u=http://www.sarajevo-x.com/clanak/080807007&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Ogromna%2B%25C5%25A1teta%2Bna%2Bkraljevskom%2Bgradu%2BVisoki%2522%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DoU0
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