Sunrise Images

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Sunrise Images
« on: September 28, 2008, 05:01:42 AM »
I figured out how to use the camera with the binoculars, so I was able to get a magnified picture of sunrise.  According to FE theory, the Sun appearing in the morning is. due to perspective. You should be able to bring the Sun above the horizon using magnification.

Here is the unmagnified picture that was taken first...



Here is the second picture as viewed through the binoculars...



The bottom of the Sun was not "brought back" through magnification.

So everyone knows the conditions...

The binoculars are Funjinon 7x50 binoculars.  Height of eye is 71' above sea level.  The temperature was 24° C (dry bulb) and 19° C (wet bulb).  Wind was 9 knots out of the north.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 06:44:55 AM »
The clouds in the picture mean that these results cannot be trusted. We cannot know what might have been obscured by the clouds.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 07:17:15 AM »
The clouds in the picture mean that these results cannot be trusted. We cannot know what might have been obscured by the clouds.

Huh?

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 08:06:05 AM »
I still don't get why binoculars speed up time in RE. In FE, all they do is magnify stuff. You know, make it look closer. So in FE, if I looked at the Sun with a powerful telescope, in the instant before I went blind, I would see the Sun, looking like it's six inches from my face. In RE, all I'd see is a night sky. Care to explain?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 08:12:33 AM »
I still don't get why binoculars speed up time in RE. In FE, all they do is magnify stuff. You know, make it look closer. So in FE, if I looked at the Sun with a powerful telescope, in the instant before I went blind, I would see the Sun, looking like it's six inches from my face. In RE, all I'd see is a night sky. Care to explain?

If the Sun is just too far to be seen, as is proposed in ENAG, then using binoculars or a telescope should bring the Sun back into view.  Same phenomenon that is supposed to happen when ships move out of view.  It has nothing to do with time.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 08:26:03 AM »
Ah, you're arguing against the perspective theory. We don't really use that one any more, parabolic light and atmospheric opacity explain it better.
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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2008, 12:11:25 PM »
The clouds in the picture mean that these results cannot be trusted. We cannot know what might have been obscured by the clouds.

to me it looks as though there are no clouds in front of the sun, if there were it would be  a different color and definitely would not be the color of the sea ;)

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2008, 05:51:47 PM »
to me it looks as though there are no clouds in front of the sun, if there were it would be  a different color and definitely would not be the color of the sea ;)

It does look that way, but looks can be deceiving.
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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »
It does look that way, but looks can be deceiving.

Or it can be exactly what it looks like.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2008, 11:52:08 PM »
Or it can be exactly what it looks like.

I thought REers didn't like that way of thinking?
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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2008, 11:53:12 PM »
I thought REers didn't like that way of thinking?

What gave you that idea?

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2008, 11:56:30 PM »
What gave you that idea?

Quote from: FAQ
Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"

A:  Well, it looks that way up close.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2008, 11:58:58 PM »
So the fact that we don't accept looking out your window as the definitive proof that Earth is flat means that pictures can't show what they show?  REers are also the ones that say that the pictures from the space missions and moon landings are proof.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2008, 01:11:17 AM »
So the fact that we don't accept looking out your window as the definitive proof that Earth is flat means that pictures can't show what they show?  REers are also the ones that say that the pictures from the space missions and moon landings are proof.

No, but since REers are the ones who say that the Earth isn't really flat even though it looks like it is, they should be sceptical of any visual evidence, as it may not be what it appears to be.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2008, 01:25:51 AM »
No, but since REers are the ones who say that the Earth isn't really flat even though it looks like it is, they should be sceptical of any visual evidence, as it may not be what it appears to be.

So if those aren't pictures of the Sun at sunrise, what else might they be?  The Sun is really behind the clouds?  I am still not sure where you are going with this train of thought with the clouds.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2008, 01:52:10 AM »
So if those aren't pictures of the Sun at sunrise, what else might they be?  The Sun is really behind the clouds?  I am still not sure where you are going with this train of thought with the clouds.

The Sun was not brought back through magnification because the image seen is the Sun shining through distant clouds. You just don't notice the clouds that low because they are so dim compared with the Sun. What you are really seeing is the clouds being lit up from behind, not the Sun directly. Since the clouds are so close, they are unaffected by the perspective effect that causes the Sun to disappear.
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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008, 02:04:36 AM »
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Here is the unmagnified picture that was taken first...

Here is the second picture as viewed through the binoculars...

The bottom of the Sun was not "brought back" through magnification.

How can you demonstrate that none of the sun was restored when looking at it through your binoculars?

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 03:29:05 AM »
How can you demonstrate that none of the sun was restored when looking at it through your binoculars?

The entire Sun should have been restored if it was simply a matter of perspective, and the lower limb of the Sun is definitely not visible.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008, 08:08:25 AM »
How can you demonstrate that none of the sun was restored when looking at it through your binoculars?

The entire Sun should have been restored if it was simply a matter of perspective, and the lower limb of the Sun is definitely not visible.

If the sun was disappeared due to a perspective effect as Rowbotham described, how could you tell that you haven't restored any portion of the sun when you magnified it?

Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 08:14:15 AM »
If the sun was disappeared due to a perspective effect as Rowbotham described, how could you tell that you haven't restored any portion of the sun when you magnified it?

Both pictures are there.  The area of the Sun is equal in both pictures.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 08:15:55 AM »
If the sun was disappeared due to a perspective effect as Rowbotham described, how could you tell that you haven't restored any portion of the sun when you magnified it?

Both pictures are there.  The area of the Sun is equal in both pictures.

It looks like some of the sun may have been restored, but I can't tell. The sun is too far away.

Your experiment is inconclusive.

Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2008, 08:30:30 AM »
It looks like some of the sun may have been restored, but I can't tell. The sun is too far away.

So I should have moved closer to the Sun before taking my pictures?  The first picture is the view with the naked eye (unmagnified), and the second is magnified.


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Your experiment is inconclusive.

The results look pretty conclusive to me.  If sunrise is the effect of the Sun coming into view, the entirety of the Sun, including the lower limb (lower edge), should be visible when magnified.  The magnification was sufficient to greatly increase the visible size of the Sun, but could not make more of the Sun visible.  Here is the diagram of the effect...



The entire Sun should be visible, not hidden by the sea.  In both images, magnified and non-magnified, more than the lower half of the Sun is hidden by the sea.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2008, 09:36:58 AM »
If the sun was disappeared due to a perspective effect as Rowbotham described, how could you tell that you haven't restored any portion of the sun when you magnified it?

Both pictures are there.  The area of the Sun is equal in both pictures.

It looks like some of the sun may have been restored, but I can't tell. The sun is too far away.

Your experiment is inconclusive.

Can we have an enlarge digital file?  e.g. a crop of the "actual pixels" of the sun in the first photo.
I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2008, 10:11:03 AM »
The clouds in the picture mean that these results cannot be trusted. We cannot know what might have been obscured by the clouds.

I'd like to hear your ideas on what might be oscured by the clouds though.

The Sun was not brought back through magnification because the image seen is the Sun shining through distant clouds. You just don't notice the clouds that low because they are so dim compared with the Sun. What you are really seeing is the clouds being lit up from behind, not the Sun directly. Since the clouds are so close, they are unaffected by the perspective effect that causes the Sun to disappear.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2008, 01:38:21 PM »
Steve, I really thought you were smarter. I can't believe you've actually let your brain be taken over by completely illogical thoughts.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2008, 01:41:10 PM »
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The Sun was not brought back through magnification because the image seen is the Sun shining through distant clouds.

Don't you mean shining through the distant atmosphere?

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2008, 01:43:40 PM »
So if those aren't pictures of the Sun at sunrise, what else might they be?  The Sun is really behind the clouds?  I am still not sure where you are going with this train of thought with the clouds.

The Sun was not brought back through magnification because the image seen is the Sun shining through distant clouds. You just don't notice the clouds that low because they are so dim compared with the Sun. What you are really seeing is the clouds being lit up from behind, not the Sun directly. Since the clouds are so close, they are unaffected by the perspective effect that causes the Sun to disappear.

My god, you actually believe that Rowbothem perspective stuff.  (do you? I'm sure you don't really, come on).
I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2008, 01:45:51 PM »
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The Sun was not brought back through magnification because the image seen is the Sun shining through distant clouds.

Don't you mean shining through the distant atmosphere?

What difference can that possibly make?  I just blocks out more light.
I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2008, 03:36:25 PM »
well if he kept the original resolution or close to it you could just press print screen and then crop it yourself in paint if you don't think they looked even.

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Re: Sunrise Images
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2008, 05:17:41 PM »
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Can we have an enlarge digital file?  e.g. a crop of the "actual pixels" of the sun in the first photo.

It's not my experiment.Why are you asking me?