Quran Contradictions (mainly for Abdul Aziz)

so basically you cant eat pork because pigs are "dirty"
its a shame bacon is good
oh well
any more on this

Quote from: Althalus on September 26, 2008, 06:06:57 PM

Quote from: Benocrates on September 26, 2008, 04:46:57 PM

Why is the only unforgivable sin unbelief?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin#Islamic_Major_sins:_Al-Kaba.27ir

i lold at some of them
protect yourself from urine
practicing magic
Be in a business that deals with drugs, alcohol or pig meat
Withholding excess water*wtf#
Carrying tales#
hey aziz can u pls explain these with #

The Quran said that Solomon only heard the voice of one Ant and then he smiled. Now in the Quran Allah says that even the mountains and trees, sun and planets praising him? can we explain that? of course no? because we have limited abilities, can we see Angels? of course not because we are given limited knowledge and ability while some others are given miracles like Moses, Solomon? so where is the contradiction? this is not a contradiction just because your mind cannot grasp them for example how Humans can grasp that man will come back to life after his bone got smashed to dust? these sorts of things requires "Iman" <<< arabic word used for Believe it's exactly like believing in the Existence of God or not

Yes, of course. It's not necessarily a contradiction, but I would still like an answer for this:

But, after all, who believes that the ants do think in these terms about humans? I have never seen ants run away when I put my foot over them. If they knew they would be crushed if they don't go away quickly why don't they move?

Take your time.

  Would you, please, clarify the issue of so-called "Satanic verses" ?... Why did Al-Tabari, Ibn Sa'd-trustworthy Islamic writers- mentioned them , if they were fake?...
  Are these verses connected to the "Satanic" ones:
"And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend! And had We not given thee strength, thou wouldst nearly have inclined to them a little. In that case We should have made thee taste an equal portion (of punishment) in this life, and an equal portion in death: and moreover thou wouldst have found none to help thee against Us!" [Qur'an 17:73-75];
"Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom." [Qur'an 22:52] ??..

Hi Oscar,

I am really sorry   regarding this

But, after all, who believes that the ants do think in these terms about humans? I have never seen ants run away when I put my foot over them. If they knew they would be crushed if they don't go away quickly why don't they move?

Well as I said before at that time it was different, it was considered a miracle, and most likely it was a trial to Prophet Solomon that event happened to show Solomon the great power of God. It's exactly like some of the miracles of Mohammed peace be upon him, liike when he was moving some of the rocks were greeting him, some trees were also greeting him. Now how we can explain this? of course we cannot. The same thing with Jesus miracles, reviving the dead, creating a bird from something that doesn't have life.

I don't know but I found this, it might be useful to you

http://www.55a.net/firas/english/?page=show_det&id=327&select_page=5

Rain I think your talking about the incident of Rushdie, if it's then read this plz

http://www.islamawareness.net/AntiMusWriters/Rushdie/amw_rushdie_article0001.html

If not then please let me know ^_^

BTW, if you have any "Supposed-Contradiction" please check first in this site

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/

Because most of your questions are answered here if you didn't find any let me know and I would help you to realize that "You thought you could find a contradiction"

Well as I said before at that time it was different, it was considered a miracle, and most likely it was a trial to Prophet Solomon that event happened to show Solomon the great power of God. It's exactly like some of the miracles of Mohammed peace be upon him, liike when he was moving some of the rocks were greeting him, some trees were also greeting him. Now how we can explain this? of course we cannot. The same thing with Jesus miracles, reviving the dead, creating a bird from something that doesn't have life.

I don't know but I found this, it might be useful to you

http://www.55a.net/firas/english/?page=show_det&id=327&select_page=5

I'm not questioning the talking; clearly God could make them talk. Also, rocks and trees may have reasons to address select people like Solomon and not address lowly folk such as myself. I'm asking why ants don't move out of the way if they know I'm going to step on them. I am just as much a threat to them as Solomon was.

I'm asking why ants don't move out of the way if they know I'm going to step on them. I am just as much a threat to them as Solomon was.

Lol how should I know man it's kinda strange, the ants in my country the move out of the way when I get close to them 

I'm sorry, but I do not believe you.

I'm sorry, but I do not believe you.

I wouldn't allow you to believe that 

 Thank you, Abdul Aziz , for your reply...No, I wasn't talking about Rushdie, I haven't read his book...the "incident" only made me curious about the topic but, that far, I couldn't find a satisfactory explanation; this is why I asked here...
 And...I'm not a person to seek contradictions in Quran, it's just that reading it, I find some difficulties in understanding some verses...
 I respect other people's beliefs, all I want is to know them fully in order to reach the essence of Truth...

Thank you, Abdul Aziz , for your reply...No, I wasn't talking about Rushdie, I haven't read his book...the "incident" only made me curious about the topic but, that far, I couldn't find a satisfactory explanation; this is why I asked here...
 And...I'm not a person to seek contradictions in Quran, it's just that reading it, I find some difficulties in understanding some verses...
 I respect other people's beliefs, all I want is to know them fully in order to reach the essence of Truth...

You are most welcome, I am so happy that people like you still exists  and if you have any more question that you feel it's contradiction please feel free to ask ^_^ at least it's better asking than going astray and following your superiors without even giving it the least thoughts like many do. Anyway if you want even additional details to answer your question let me know.

Abdul Aziz are you Emirati?
If you are, I lived in UAE for like 10 years, it's an amazing country. Am planning on moving back when I finish my studies here in Canada.

Anyways,

I regret to tell you that there are MAJOR contradictions in the Qur'an. I am a Sunni born Muslim, and an Arab.
I used to be a committed Muslim, praying 5 times a day, and fasting every Ramadhan, not missing any sunna prayers unless  had to. I had a full beard and all. I maintained that beard even though it made me look like a 40 year old man, even those I wasn't even 20!

I would first like to announce that I believe that Allah is the only god worthy of worship, and Muhammed (PBUH) is his last and final messenger. I know for a fact that Islam is teh truth, but at the same time I think that the Qur'an has been corrupted.

I know about that answering-christianity.com site, and I have to tell you that the person who made it, Osama something, is a liar. On his refutation page, he says at the top that all the alleged contradictions of the Qur'an have been "THOROUGHLY REFUTED" . Well I trusted that claim, and decided to read all the alleged contradictions. You won't believe how for many of the refutations, he doesn't even address the claim, he just spins off into irrelevant topics trying to change the subject. And at the end says something like "And that is how this claim is false" as if he addressed each and every claim.

I regret reading the whole list of contradictions, because is has destroyed my faith, but I still believe that Islam is the truth. But just like christianity, it has been corrupted.

Here is one of the major contradictions that I have spent nearly a YEAR trying to reconcile. I have gone through every verse on each topic trying to reconcile them, but to this day, I cannot refute some major contradictions.
Here it is: this is from one of the anti-islamic sites that answering christianity failed to refute convincingly.

==> Intercession : To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. NONE AT ALL: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.].

And also there are so many contradictions in Bukhari alone, without considering the other collections. In Bukhari, there are like 4 hadith that talk about the number of wives Sulaiman had, one says 200, the other 50, and so on, each contradicting the other.

Anyway man, I am really looking forward to coming back to UAE.

Later.

Hi brother Ar,

How are you doing? wish your fine? to answer your question, yes I am Emarati and I am glad you like my country, however I really invite you to visit us again because in the past 10 years many things have changed and specially Dubai it became really amazing, I also invite my other friends to come bring their family for a week vacation I am sure they would love it even though it's a very small city 

As for the Contradictions, to make my answer simple: "There is NO contradictions" in the Quran

Brother Ar, the thing is when you have question regarding the Quran or you didn't get the meaning or you thought it might be contradiction we call this in Arabic: "Shobha" when you have this you shouldn't be asking the "Media" you should ask a learned Muslim. Media knows how to change facts and un learned Muslim they might answer you without any knowledge and then you think there is a contradiction.

How you think there can be a contradiction when the Quran is truth and you believe our god is Allah!? that only means that our god doesn't deserve to be god and he is limited, but thanks god there is no Contradictions at all

As for the first contradiction you thought that's a contradiction, it's not at all. In the verses God saying that no one can bring someone to help him and he will be alone while the second is saying that humans can be helped only after his permission. That means originally the human are not Intercede by their own self but if he was helped that would be a gift "Fadel" from Allah, where is the contradiction? there is no contradiction at all in this.

In fact it's very wisdom of Allah to do this in the Quran, the first verse its to tell the unbelievers: "You disbelievers" you think you can bring your friends and companions to help you in this day? not a chance. If I am kind to you then I would allow someone else to help you not you man this is considered one of the advantages for the Quran how come you thought it's a contradiction.

As for Bukhari, there are many parts of Hadith, give me all the contradictions and I will check it myself but bring the Full Hadith with the "Sanad" which means the people who talked.

That's why I always tell my Muslim brothers, if you have question or fear don't be scared, go ahead and Ask but be sure not to follow your own answers because you might not be learned and don't ask the Internet or the Media, ask a trusted learned Muslim and you will get the answer.

So brother Ar, if you have a "Supposed-Contradiction" even if they are 10000000 please post them here one by one and you will learn it's far better than keeping inside and having some thoughts that the Quran might have contradictions. Doubt of whatever kind can be ended by action alone. Even I who is not a student of Quran can answer you all inshallah ^_^

Why this confidence, because Allah said this >>>

r u sure that abdul didn't make the site?

Which site?

Lol in fact I don't even know how to write those Java codes or HTML or whatever even though I studies Business Information Technology

Guys before you ask a question I suggest you to check this website because I believe most of your question already was answered >>>

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm

If not please let me know

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What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
   2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
   3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
   4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
   5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

Already Answered >>>

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23513.msg495675#msg495675

Supposed-Contradiction: Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?

 1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
   2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
   3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
   4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

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No compulsion in religion >>>

http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/terrorism_verses1.htm

Supposed-Contradiction: The first Muslim was Muhammad?  Abraham?  Jacob? Moses?

 1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
   2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
   3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

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1. Talking about Mohammed and he was the first Muslim in Makkah
2. About Moses, he said that yeah god I am the first to believe your words that no one would see me in this world until he die.
3. It's clear, like all the prophets they were all Muslims (Submittied their soul to God)

Supposed-Contradiction: Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

 1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116
   2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

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1. Allah is talking about those who died while worshipping false Gods! if they died without repenting from this sin they were worshipping anyone beside god he will not forgive them.
2. Very clear, they didn't die without repenting and worshiping another god. That's why Allah forgave them in fact if you did read the Holy Quran about this story Allah showed them the way to repent from this sin and they did and so god accepted.

Supposed-Contradiction: Are Allah's decrees changed or not?

 1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
   2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
   3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
   4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

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1 & 2. Allah is talking about the "Qada'a" the fate he wrote upon them, no one can change it when it times comes. Like no one can change the fact that all of us would die.
3 % 4. Allah talking about the Hokom (Rule) and this I have already explained several times before, Allah do guide his prophet Mohammed and his companions, for example he says oh Mohammed don't fight the pagans. so they did and as the time passed events have changed Allah guided them now go fight... that's an example and there are many examples and Allah talking about this.

Supposed-Contradiction: Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

 1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
   2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"  So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

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Pharaoh was killed by drowning.  If you read the first verse, in it Pharoah after knowing that he is dying accepts Islam bur the doors of repentance are closed on a person once his death ‘starts’.  Allah is admonishing him saying that We shall not save you from death and the punishment after it today, but your body shall be saved and preserved so that it may become a sign for all those after you.  This is confirmed from numerous other verses and Prophetic sayings. 

Supposed-Contradiction:Is wine consumption good or bad?

   1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
   2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
   3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

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I really can't see the reason you thought this is a contradiction, This is by no means a contradiction. The reason why alcohol is not permitted in this world is due it's harmful and evil affects. It causes the person to be robbed of their mental faculties and causes numerous harmful affects on the body, as we all know. In Heaven however, wine will not have these bad qualities as it does in this life. Allah said in the Quran:

"..A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them, White, delicious to the drinkers, Wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby..." (37:45-47)

you could have asked why we are allowed to drink whine in heaven but not in earth but to call this a contradiction is clearly an error.

You yourself have realized that the hereafter and this world have completely different rulings. We will look different, feel different, hear differently, see differently, taste and think possibly differently. Whine WILL be different in the hereafter....

IS THERE ANY MORE SUPPOSED-CONTRADICTION!!!?

What I am going to ask is not a contradiction, but I didn't know where to post it....

Please, explain me what is the "Spirit" or "Holy Spirit" in the Quran?...
For example in Surah 19 (Maryam), verse 17, "Our Spirit" seems to be angel Gabriel, but as reading Quran, I met in other verses too this expression...( "Holy Spirit"-Quran 2:87; 5:110; 16:102;  "My Spirit": 15:29;  "the Spirit": 17:85; 70:4; 97:4; "Our Spirit": 21:91). Does it have a different meaning? Is the same Arabic word or a different one in all these verses?...

Also there are "evil spirits": 37:7; 81:25.

If possible, please refer to Arabic words used in the above verses, I really want to understand this matter...

Thank you.

What I am going to ask is not a contradiction, but I didn't know where to post it....

Please, explain me what is the "Spirit" or "Holy Spirit" in the Quran?...
For example in Surah 19 (Maryam), verse 17, "Our Spirit" seems to be angel Gabriel, but as reading Quran, I met in other verses too this expression...( "Holy Spirit"-Quran 2:87; 5:110; 16:102;  "My Spirit": 15:29;  "the Spirit": 17:85; 70:4; 97:4; "Our Spirit": 21:91). Does it have a different meaning? Is the same Arabic word or a different one in all these verses?...

Also there are "evil spirits": 37:7; 81:25.

If possible, please refer to Arabic words used in the above verses, I really want to understand this matter...

Thank you.

Hi Rain, how are you? hope your having a good day. Thanks for your question, inshallah in the near future I will open another topic for Islam Q & A so no worries you can ask them here for now.

First of all I want you to know that the spirit or soul is not one of the attributes of Almighty Allah, rather it is one of the things that have been created by Allah. It is mentioned in conjunction with Allah in some texts by way of honouring, for Allah is its Creator and Sovereign, He takes it (in death) whenever He wills and He sends it whenever He wills. What we say about the spirit is the same as what we say about the “House of Allah”, the “she-camel of Allah”, the “slaves of Allah” and the “Messenger of Allah”. All of these created things are mentioned in conjunction with Allah by way of honouring.

Here are some texts in which the spirit is mentioned in conjunction with Allah is the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibreel (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

18. She said: ‘Verily, I seek refuge with the Most Gracious (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allaah.’

19. (The angel) said: ‘I am only a messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.’” [19:17-19]

Here the word “rooh” (spirit) refers to the slave and Messenger of Allah Jibreel (Angel Gabriel), whom He sent to Maryam. Allah mentions him here in conjunction with Himself in the phrase roohuna (Our rooh or spirit) by way of honouring him. Here He is mentioning a created being in conjunction with his Creator.

I know your confused about what Allah says about Jesus (peace be upon him) in the verse:

“The Messiah Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him [lit. from Him]” [4:171]

Some think, as the Christians do, that the word min (lit. from) implies being part of Him and that the Rooh (spirit) is a part of Allah. In fact the word min here implies that this Spirit comes from Allah, its starting point and origin is with Allah, because He is its Creator and Controller.

Hope that answers your question, if not please let me know and I would give you a detailed explanation again thanks for your question, if you have any more please let me know.