My reason(s) for the world being Round

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My reason(s) for the world being Round
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2006, 01:51:53 PM »
This isn't a logical error.

This is a miscommunication.


I saw straight line on the flat earth model, as in NOT BASED ON CARDINAL DIRECTIONS.


I mean if you start on the left side of the Flat Earth (from any point of view), heading left, and accelerate.


You'll end up on the right side.
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« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2006, 03:21:35 PM »
Alright, let's approach this from a different perspective.

Quote from: "Scruffy"
Flying in a straight line in the flat earth model would put you at the edge of the Earth.

Yes, and I assert that this is what happens in "Real life", and so the earth is flat.

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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2006, 03:50:25 PM »
When flying a plane,


You never come to an "end" or "edge"



Spheres don't have edges.


Youre not even trying to argue now.


A Flat Earth would definetly have an "end" or "edge"


So youre last post is incorrect
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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2006, 04:30:10 PM »
...That's because when you try to translate polar to rectangular, it warps the picture. If I was to go in the same direction that you propose, this would happen:



This is what you're talking about, right?
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« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2006, 07:26:32 PM »
Quote from: "Scruffy"
When flying a plane,

You never come to an "end" or "edge"


Are you being intentionally obtuse?  Unimportant is saying that when flying a plane, you do come to an end or edge.

If you have some evidence against this that doesn't beg the question, feel free to post it.  Otherwise stop arguing in circles.

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« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2006, 03:23:51 PM »
Neither understand what I mean or refuse to believe me,

It's quite sad.
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« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2006, 08:56:46 PM »
what if, instead of talking about straight lines, i say "i get in a plane and go forward without making any effort to change direction"?  of course, this is a thought experiment, so for now let's just ignore wind currents and all that and assume that the plane goes neither left nor right.  it will continue to go in the direction in which it was pointed when i made it go, except that gravity on the round earth will cause the plane to follow the curve of the earth.  to apply the situation to real life, what would keep a person from flying off the edge of the earth? do the jet streams flow in a circle around the north pole, east to west or vice versa, and cause enough push to turn the plane in a circle? do pilots have to constantly turn if they want to go east or west?

what if i get in a plane and fly south? do i go off the edge?

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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2006, 09:23:11 PM »
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what if i get in a plane and fly south? do i go off the edge?

In this theoretical experiment, yes.

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« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2006, 09:29:50 PM »
and the rest?

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« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2006, 09:45:26 PM »
I was under the impression the rest of your post was asking the same question.

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apply the situation to real life, what would keep a person from flying off the edge of the earth?

Nothing, except maybe government conspiracy fighter jets that would shoot you down. But probably nothing.
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do the jet streams flow in a circle around the north pole, east to west or vice versa, and cause enough push to turn the plane in a circle?

Nope.
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do pilots have to constantly turn if they want to go east or west?

Not really, they would just put on autopilot and tell it to follow a constant bearing. The plane would be flying in a very wide generalized arc, though.

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« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2006, 09:49:59 PM »
Quote from: "Scruffy"
Neither understand what I mean or refuse to believe me,

It's quite sad.


What if, instead of trolling and being elitist, you actually put some effort into explaining yourself?
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« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2006, 09:59:39 PM »
Quote from: "Scruffy"
Neither understand what I mean or refuse to believe me,

It's quite sad.

It was quite clear what you said.

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When flying a plane
You never come to an "end" or "edge"

I'm saying that, yes, you do.
If I took off in my private jet right this second and flew in a dead reckoning straight line, I would fly right off the edge.

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A Flat Earth would definetly have an "end" or "edge"

I know, and there is an edge.

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« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2006, 10:01:38 PM »
So what you are saying is, people who circumnavigated the earth, flew in a big circle and landed where they took off? Did they fly around the outside of the earth circle? How big does the circle have to be to register as "around the whole world"?

Straight lines are straight lines, they have nothing to do with north/south/west/east. And we are only dealing with 2 axes here, not height. So don't say you will go off on a tangent into space in a spherical earth. Ignore height.

And say again, can you go around a flat world moving in a straight line? The answer: No! People have done it though. Why? Because the earth is round.

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« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2006, 10:21:21 PM »
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So what you are saying is, people who circumnavigated the earth, flew in a big circle and landed where they took off? Did they fly around the outside of the earth circle? How big does the circle have to be to register as "around the whole world"?

A) Yes.
B) No, you can't fly outside the earth circle because there is presumeably no atmosphere on the other side of the ice wall.
C) That would depend on the pilot. I suppose a good rule of thumb is that any ellipsoid path with the north pole in it's interior could be considered "around the world".
Quote from: "Solid_Granite"
And say again, can you go around a flat world moving in a straight line? The answer: No!

I agree, the way you're defining a straight line, it could not be done. You'd fly right off the edge.
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People have done it though.

I am quite certain you have no proof of this. Positive, actually. In fact, I'm sure you're just assuming it's possible, because you assume the earth is spheroid. I, on the other hand, assume it's not, because it's not.

Unless you can come up with some proof validating your "straight line circumnavigation" claim, I believe we are at an impasse.

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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2006, 06:50:29 AM »
ATTENTION


I am a keen traveler, and have traversed the world in many ways. On one occasion, I went from Argentina, to Australia, over Antarctica.  This proves that the world is indeed round.

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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2006, 10:08:25 AM »
Quote from: "adhiza"
ATTENTION


Whoa!  You really got my attention!  What you have to say must be very very important.

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I am a keen traveler, and have traversed the world in many ways. On one occasion, I went from Argentina, to Australia, over Antarctica.  This proves that the world is indeed round.


Actually, all that this indeed proves is that there's a mass that rises above the water and and looks like what Antarctica is supposed to look like.

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« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2006, 11:53:58 AM »
If someone measured the distances between land masses in different places, and their actual sizes, one would find that it's impossible to array them "flatly" and comply with the boundary conditions.

Arguing with these people is an intellectual exercise only.
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« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2006, 07:05:47 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "adhiza"
ATTENTION


Whoa!  You really got my attention!  What you have to say must be very very important.

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I am a keen traveler, and have traversed the world in many ways. On one occasion, I went from Argentina, to Australia, over Antarctica.  This proves that the world is indeed round.


Actually, all that this indeed proves is that there's a mass that rises above the water and and looks like what Antarctica is supposed to look like.

-Erasmus


So it proves theres a mass that rises above the water and looks like what antarctica is supposed to look like, convieniently where antarctica is supposed to be, but obviously it cant be antarctica. Am i getting this right?

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« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2006, 09:48:59 PM »
Quote from: "Sas"
If someone measured the distances between land masses in different places, and their actual sizes, one would find that it's impossible to array them "flatly" and comply with the boundary conditions.

This could very well be true.

It is also equally true that someone might measure the distances between the land masses and realize, holy cow, the earth cannot possibly be round.

Luckily for both of us, no one is going to do this any time soon.

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« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2006, 06:00:45 AM »
That's because it's been done, and subsequently ignored. Especially distances across continents are known... by people who drive a lot or who drive high-speed trains... it gets done in an approximate fashion every day.

So no bud, it isn't equally likely, but one does have to believe the readings on milometers and spedometers, and if one claims that these readings are all fake, and requires me to design and build my own instrument then it becomes impractical.

The stars and things are all conclusive proof of non-flatness but you glibly ignore those or befuddle them. So one has to suggest experiments where you then pull out the "you can't make me, and if you can't do it, and if someone else does, its fake" card.

It isn't clever, it's like the kid at school who looks the other way and sticks his fingers in his ears and then claims not to have heard what you said.
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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2006, 03:45:58 AM »
Sorry, but what I say is true, and it does indeed prove the world is round. Flying from Argentina to Australia OVER ANTARCTICA can only be done on a round earth stupids, not on a flat one, because if you look at the flat world map, you will not see a southern route from Arg to Aus over solid land. Case Closed, I win.

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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2006, 08:21:54 AM »
Quote from: "adhiza"
Sorry, but what I say is true, and it does indeed prove the world is round. Flying from Argentina to Australia OVER ANTARCTICA can only be done on a round earth stupids, not on a flat one, because if you look at the flat world map, you will not see a southern route from Arg to Aus over solid land. Case Closed, I win.


You win the "argument without proof" award. You have to prove that someone has indeed flown over Antarctica.

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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2006, 05:41:59 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "adhiza"
ATTENTION


Whoa!  You really got my attention!  What you have to say must be very very important.

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I am a keen traveler, and have traversed the world in many ways. On one occasion, I went from Argentina, to Australia, over Antarctica.  This proves that the world is indeed round.


Actually, all that this indeed proves is that there's a mass that rises above the water and and looks like what Antarctica is supposed to look like.

-Erasmus



Silly argument.
Adhiza's still holds.

edit: As a further note, why don't you FE guys take a ticket across the globe yourself sometime? :) Couldn't hurt, only enlighten.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2006, 05:46:11 PM »
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adhiza wrote:
Sorry, but what I say is true, and it does indeed prove the world is round. Flying from Argentina to Australia OVER ANTARCTICA can only be done on a round earth stupids, not on a flat one, because if you look at the flat world map, you will not see a southern route from Arg to Aus over solid land. Case Closed, I win.


You win the "argument without proof" award. You have to prove that someone has indeed flown over


and in proving that he/she flew over, it would also prove that it is possible, and that there obviously is no government conspiracy stopping people from doing it
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« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2006, 06:38:59 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"
Silly argument.
Adhiza's still holds.


Sure, if you decide to pretend that "argument" means something different and less interesting than what it really means.
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2006, 06:40:47 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "Xargo"
Silly argument.
Adhiza's still holds.


Sure, if you decide to pretend that "argument" means something different and less interesting than what it really means.


See CrimsonKings post.
quot;Earth is flat because there is a conspiracy, and there is a conspiracy because the Earth is flat" - Makes sense, duh.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=2955.0

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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2006, 11:29:21 PM »
OK lets try this to illustrate his point more clearly.  You are in a boat heading West (or left i whichever you prefer).  You just let the boat continue in a straight line, allowing for gravity or whatever force to keep you on the water.  Eventually, because it is done everyday for millions of people, you will arrive in Asia somewhere without having to follow some imaginary perimeter or running into a giant wall of ice.  Its as simple as that.  YOu could do it in a row boat.  Just head off in that direction, never having a to change course and you will reach Asia.  Not giant ice wall land.

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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2006, 11:55:01 PM »
Quote from: "rogue"
OK lets try this to illustrate his point more clearly.  You are in a boat heading West (or left i whichever you prefer).  You just let the boat continue in a straight line, allowing for gravity or whatever force to keep you on the water.  Eventually, because it is done everyday for millions of people, you will arrive in Asia somewhere without having to follow some imaginary perimeter or running into a giant wall of ice.  Its as simple as that.  YOu could do it in a row boat.  Just head off in that direction, never having a to change course and you will reach Asia.  Not giant ice wall land.

You are absolutely correct.  On a flat earth, if I leave Japan and go left, or west, I will undoubtably reach asia, not giant ice wall land.  However, if I leave Portugal, and go left, I will run into the Americas, not asia, so I guess it depends on where you start.


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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2006, 12:01:32 AM »
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rogue wrote:
OK lets try this to illustrate his point more clearly. You are in a boat heading West (or left i whichever you prefer). You just let the boat continue in a straight line, allowing for gravity or whatever force to keep you on the water. Eventually, because it is done everyday for millions of people, you will arrive in Asia somewhere without having to follow some imaginary perimeter or running into a giant wall of ice. Its as simple as that. YOu could do it in a row boat. Just head off in that direction, never having a to change course and you will reach Asia. Not giant ice wall land.

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You are absolutely correct. On a flat earth, if I leave Japan and go left, or west, I will undoubtably reach asia, not giant ice wall land. However, if I leave Portugal, and go left, I will run into the Americas, not asia, so I guess it depends on where you start.


it seems to me the only problem with this assertion is that in a flat earth heading left (as accodring to the FE compass, going west would lead you in a compete circle) eventually from some landmass you would have to hit an ice wall.  I believe this is what rogue is trying to say, i could be wrong though
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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2006, 12:05:59 AM »
If you were in a row boat and only traveled left (west) on a RE or a FE you would eventually hit something.  Why are you trying to stick this event on the FE?


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