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Marcus Aurelius

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Keep your eyes on the LHC
« on: September 24, 2008, 07:55:30 AM »
I'm sure everybody here has read the news about the Large Hadron Collider being fired up a few weeks ago.  Hopefully in the coming months and years we will be able to get many clarifications on a few things.  It will be interesting if they can actually detect the predicted graviton particle, though unlikely.  At the very least we should be able to detect some of it's effects.

In any case, if a particle responsible for gravitation were discovered, and we could prove that all matter causes gravity, then would FE hold up still?

CERN plans on using a great deal of time to search for this.
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 08:01:41 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 07:55:30 AM
I'm sure everybody here has read the news about the Large Hadron Collider being fired up a few weeks ago.  Hopefully in the coming months and years we will be able to get many clarifications on a few things.  It will be interesting if they can actually detect the predicted graviton particle, though unlikely.  At the very least we should be able to detect some of it's effects.

In any case, if a particle responsible for gravitation were discovered, and we could prove that all matter causes gravity, then would FE hold up still?

CERN plans on using a great deal of time to search for this.

Tom and OBLSteve have already stated that the LHC is purely a manufacture for maintaining the conspiracy.  It is really non-functioning and doesn't produce any real data.  Based on that, I will assume that any evidence that is generated by it will be dismissed as false.  Just my guess though.
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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 08:08:43 AM »
Rig Navigator raises a valid point, CERN may just be part of the conspiracy (or unknowingly run by the conspiracy). Well done, RN.
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Marcus Aurelius

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 08:11:38 AM »
What evidence do you have that they are part of the conspiracy?  This is not the direction I wanted this thread to go.
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 08:13:13 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 07:55:30 AM
In any case, if a particle responsible for gravitation were discovered, and we could prove that all matter causes gravity, then would FE hold up still?
So which is it?


It has been mentioned before that anti-gravitation can prevent the Earth from having its own gravitational field.
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Marcus Aurelius

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 08:16:36 AM »
Gravitation, I used the term Gravity incorrectly because I am not a physicist.  Laymen like myself use both terms interchangeably, I know its incorrect, I will try to be better.
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 08:18:09 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 08:11:38 AM
What evidence do you have that they are part of the conspiracy?  This is not the direction I wanted this thread to go.

There isn't any evidence of a conspiracy.  I am just letting you know what their answer will probably be.  The CERN facility has been discussed before and been dismissed in that manner before.
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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 08:23:00 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 08:11:38 AM
What evidence do you have that they are part of the conspiracy?  This is not the direction I wanted this thread to go.

REer: What evidence do you have of a conspiracy?
FEer: The earth is flat.
REer: What evidence do you have that the earth is flat?
FEer: Repeatable experiments similar to those found in ENaG yield results consistant with a flat earth and not a round earth.
REer: Those experiments have been done before and yielded RET results not FET.
FEer: Do them yourself and see if that's true.
REer: >:(


If it could be demonstrated that there's a particle causing gravitation/gravity (don't care which I'm supposed to use) then I would say that would certainly require an explanation in FET.

How could you demonstrate this without resorting to, "this person/company/agency/potential-conspirator said x"?
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Marcus Aurelius

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 08:32:16 AM »
To come to a conclusion that there is a flat earth you have to look at all the evidence.  What appears to happen here from my point of view is you look at evidence from experimentation by one man over a century ago, and any evidence that contradicts his is ignored (due to conspiracy).

I think one of those experiments was performed on this thread:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22317.0

It found that ships sink over the horizon.  After which several FE'ers have tried to explain that phenomenon via "bendy light", which bends up due to gravitation.

This Bendy light theory, if you believe it, invalidates the experiments done by Rowbotham because his experiments assumed that light was strait and not bendy.

So which one is correct?
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 08:32:44 AM »
*Sigh* Why does everyone keep insisting that the LHC is looking for the graviton?  The LHC is looking for the Higgs Boson, the particle that is supposed to be the particle responsible for other particles having mass.  If discovered, it may give some valuable insights into the workings of gravitation, but the LHC is not expected to directly confirm or deny the existence of the graviton.
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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 08:43:38 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 08:32:16 AM
To come to a conclusion that there is a flat earth you have to look at all the evidence.

How so? I came to that conclusion and I did it based on my own experiments. As for the thread you posted I don't have any explanation I could give you, it doesn't match with my results and observations.
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 08:49:00 AM »
Quote from: markjo on September 24, 2008, 08:32:44 AM
*Sigh* Why does everyone keep insisting that the LHC is looking for the graviton?  The LHC is looking for the Higgs Boson, the particle that is supposed to be the particle responsible for other particles having mass.  If discovered, it may give some valuable insights into the workings of gravitation, but the LHC is not expected to directly confirm or deny the existence of the graviton.

No it is not supposed to confirm the existence of the graviton.  But as you say, the Higgs boson should go a long way toward describing the interaction of particles on a sub-atomic level and will hopefully explain some of the apparent contradictions between GR and the Standard Model.
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 08:53:25 AM »
Yes, it will be used to try to detect the Higgs Boson, but it will also be used to detect other things as well, including the graviton.  Interesting to note, Hawkings has a standing bet that the Higgs Boson, which is a predicted particle that explains why matter has mass (I think), will not be discovered by the LHC.  But other unexpected things will be discovered.

I personally doubt they will find a particle responsible for gravitation.  But I do think we will have a better understanding.
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Marcus Aurelius

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 09:02:19 AM »
Quote from: Sean O'Grady on September 24, 2008, 08:43:38 AM
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 08:32:16 AM
To come to a conclusion that there is a flat earth you have to look at all the evidence.

How so? I came to that conclusion and I did it based on my own experiments. As for the thread you posted I don't have any explanation I could give you, it doesn't match with my results and observations.

I would be interested in seeing those, are any of them published?  Using just your experiments and observations is a very narrow way of doing things.  I think one should have to look at everybody's observations and experiments before coming to a conclusion.  We build on what others have done.

Also, if you disagree with the observations of another, you should be able to use evidence to disprove it, instead of saying my way is right, therefore yours has to be either wrong or a conspiracy.
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Sean O'Grady

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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2008, 09:22:26 AM »
Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 09:02:19 AM
I would be interested in seeing those, are any of them published?  Using just your experiments and observations is a very narrow way of doing things.  I think one should have to look at everybody's observations and experiments before coming to a conclusion.  We build on what others have done.

None of them are published, though my brother is working in a science journal so it won't be too much longer.

Quote from: ragnarr on September 24, 2008, 09:02:19 AM
Also, if you disagree with the observations of another, you should be able to use evidence to disprove it, instead of saying my way is right, therefore yours has to be either wrong or a conspiracy.

Why's that? If my experiments yield results that point to one conclusion why should I discount my own experiments and observations in favour of other peoples? Why should I not go by my experiments that I know to be correct just because I can't prove other people are lying about their results?
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2008, 10:26:24 AM »
Quote from: Sean O'Grady on September 24, 2008, 08:08:43 AM
Rig Navigator raises a valid point, CERN may just be part of the conspiracy (or unknowingly run by the conspiracy). Well done, RN.

What does CERN have to do with space agencies?
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2008, 10:44:45 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on September 24, 2008, 10:26:24 AM
What does CERN have to do with space agencies?

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What about particle colliders? These things are built flat right? With the LHC does that mean we can't see the end because the light has curved up? By end I mean before it curves around. Apparently it is supposed to appear straight

These don't exist. They are part of the conspiracy. Imagine how much money people could make from funding intended to build a particle accelerator!
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2008, 11:25:36 AM »
I'm sorry, how did that answer my question?
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2008, 11:45:13 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on September 24, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
I'm sorry, how did that answer my question?

Not my conspiracy or my contention.  Ask Tom or OBLSteve.
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Re: Keep your eyes on the LHC
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2008, 06:04:07 PM »
 want 1 straight answer for this post.

if they used all of hte money to keep for themseles why is it that they have say teh price of the parts in parts sitting in cern? also if everything that someone says contradicts something it is a conspiracy,  and i could make up a scientific theory right now say about objects falling and say everything else is a conspiracy.

here is my 2 second hteory, an object dropped and an object dropped with horizontal velocity do not fall at the same time in a vacumm at 1g because anyone who tested it is part of a conspiracy. i would like to see someone disprove it to me ehind my computer without me saying conspiracy, you not oonly have to think abstractly about fe theory but you have ot think from the other sides view and you have to get frustrated at yourself about RE comments and Fe if your a fe'er but its all being blocked to conspiracies which need ot stop if you want to prove to people FE theory
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