My friend you like confusion, I don't. If we want to know about Jesus we must go to the source (Bible).
--------------------------------------------
Your blaming Jesus for a sin he didn't commit? suppose I lived with you 5 years back, I said: "Oh Punisher, Our God is One God" and after 20 years you wrote a book and said: "Oh Humans, AbdulAziz said There are 3 Gods, The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost" can you say it's my fault? or it was my mistake or I am the devil because of a sin I didn't commit? MAN, at least give it some thoughts ^_^
You make no sense brother, confusion has gripped you, follow your own train of thought. You're saying Jesus didn't say the bad things in the Bible, nor the contradictions or what Islam perceives as a lie. How do you know? What if Jesus spoke nothing but the evil and the lies, and the good stuff was written in by the humans? Just like you, who would be so eager to do so. You either accept everything, or nothing of it is inspired, and you must go further back to the source until you find the original.
If Allah wasn't able to protect his Word (Bible), Allah was weak in that moment.
--------------------------------------------
That's because it was the responsibility of the people not the Almighty Allah! How many times I should repeat? I am ready to copy and paste all the time if you want to keep this going but I prefer if you stand and read carefully. If a God by any chance became a weak in any moment he doesn't deserve to be considered almighty god, but too bad my god Allah "THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM"
You're going to repeat it until you understand what you're saying. Your Allah did not know that the people would become irresponsible and not keep the word Holy. Only after many thousands of years did Allah understand this and decided to send the final prophet and protect that word (Koran).
Now, because it has been changed, nothing and anything that comes from that book (Bible) including the characters must be dismissed, and one must go further back to an older source for guidance not forwards.
--------------------------------------------
That's also wrong, going back to the example I gave earlier, suppose I gave you a book and in that book I said there is only god and I am his servent, then after so many years you changed this book and modified the word "His servent" to "His king" now the first part remain correct that there is only one god but the second part is wrong, does it mean there is nothing right in that book? that's why we Muslims believe that the Turah and the other books have some correct information while it has also the wrong so that's why we cannot depend on this book as a guidance.
It means that you must go further back to the source of this story, the one who write the story first is the Author of that story. Enoch is the author this story about GOD and Angels and Heaven and Satan and Adam and Noah and Judgment and Resurrection and all of it still intact and uncorrupted by the hands of humans.
So the all-knowing Allah did not know that men would corrupt scriptures until thousands of years later as the confirmation?
--------------------------------------------
No I never said this, but it's your explanation for what I said. Allah knows everything, he knows when we will all die and will be the day of judgment and all of our decisions...etc
If Allah knew that men would corrupt the Word (Jesus), why would Allah have let it happen? For we know Allah changed his mind latter on in 600 AD when he said I'll send Mohammed to write the Koran and I Allah will protect it now. Is it because Allah did not want the people who lived before Mohammed to know the ways of Allah? Or is the Koran contradicting itself?
[48.23] Such has been the course of Allah that has indeed run before, and you shall not find a change in Allah's course.
and you shall not find a change in Allah's course.
and you shall not find a change in Allah's course.
however the same way he created life and death to put us in trial to worship him the same he gave the book to people to test them and on the day of judgment he say: "Didn't I send you a book? didn't I ask you to protect it, didn't I sent Mohammed, Jesus, Noah....etc" why you ignored, changed their teachings...etc in Arabic we call this "Hojja" I don't know the exact English word but it's like a trial and prove.
1Enoch.89:[33]First came on the trial of the stars, which, being judged, and found guilty, went to the place of punishment.
They thrust them into a place, deep, and full of flaming fire, and full of pillars of fire. Then the seventy shepherds were judged, and being found guilty, were thrust into the flaming abyss.
Then the seventy shepherds were judged, and being found guilty, were thrust into the abyss.These are the ones who falsified the old testament, and afterwards the last 12 shepherds, not 13, 12.
1Enoch.104:[7]Now will I point out a mystery: Many sinners shall turn and transgress against the word of uprightness. (Book Of Enoch) [8]They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood; execute great undertakings; and compose books in their own words. (Bible-Koran) But when they shall write all My words correctly in their own languages, [9]They shall neither change or diminish them; but shall write them all correctly; all which from the first I have uttered concerning them.
No counterfeits, all the Books bearing the name of Enoch are governed by the Hand Of GOD. The Covenant (Book Of Enoch) consisting of 5 sections which by the way the Jews and the Muslims copied from for their Pentateuch and the five pillars of Islam (oldest Dead Sea Scrolls are Enoch‘s).
Can you see it now? Its unbelievable!
Allah knew that Jesus would appear and he knew that Christians would follow him, why he would allow such a thing?
Allah gave you the ability to think, the power, the equipments to reach the truth then why you didn't try. That's why in Islam Allah would not punish the Insane
I agree that GOD gave the ability to think despite the forces of the Fallen angels (Satans) or as Islam calls them (Shaitans), but where you go wrong is that the "equipment" was only made available after 600 AD, so Allah can't Judge the people living before by saying I have given you the equipment (Koran).
they shall utter falsehood; execute great undertakings; and compose books in their own words. (Bible-Koran)
--------------------------------------------
No dear, there is nothing wrong in the Quran and no contradictions at all, your welcome to post all your "Supposed Contradiction" here in this topic http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23513.0 but be sure that the words of Allah would suites you >>> " look again, and yet again, thy sight will only return unto thee confused and fatigued, having seen no incongruity."
I beg to differ, Islam says its the religion of Peace, Allah says otherwise. [21.80] And We taught him the making of coats of mail for you, that they might protect you in your wars; will you then be grateful?
True GOD did not create us for wars, but to remain in unity with Him in peace. Surely Allah if he were GOD would be capable of this, and despite that there would come invaders for these would dealt harshly by Allah, for they oppose him.[59.4] That is because they acted in opposition to Allah and His Apostle, and whoever acts in opposition to Allah, then surely Allah is severe in retributing (evil). [59.5] It is by Allah's command, and that He may abase the transgressors.
These would be quickly addressed by Allah so that peace and tranquility among his people would be uninterrupted without so much as an arrow being launched, or in today's society, a bullet, fired.[59.23] He is Allah, besides Whom there is no god; the King, the Holy, the Giver of peace, the Granter of security, Guardian over all, the Mighty, the Supreme, the Possessor of every greatness Glory be to Allah from what they set up (with Him).
the Giver of peace, the Granter of security
the Giver of peace, the Granter of security
The gospel of Jesus went forth by the sword like Islam to all nations, read your history...
--------------------------------------------
The thing is I know my history very well but at the same time I know the history of the major religions of the world including their scriptures the all got perished but only one truth would remain till the end of the world
That would be the Book Of Enoch, it was written during the first generation of men (Adam), and will remain unchanged like GOD and His promise, to, and up until the last generation of men.
Why do you call the man who made you "father" but the ONE who made ALL not?
--------------------------------------------
YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS ARE YOU!!!!!!? O_O
THE MOMENT YOU CAN COMPARE A GOD WITH ANYTHING ELSE He is not God. Because the attributes of God shouldn't be like any other, he cannot be compared with anything else if he got compared thats an insult, that's why Allah clearly states several times in the Quran that the people insulting him when they are saying he is having son or calling him father of the angels....etc
"Say `He is ALLAH, the One! ALLAH the Independent and Besought of all. HE begets not, nor, is HE begotten, And there is none like unto HIM."
I am very serious, and that you cannot call your CREATOR the "Father of all Creation" is astounding, and that even believing that the Most High would feel insulted that you cling to Him like a child does to a parent shows only that there is no love for Him, neither fear, of losing Him.
Your God Allah doesn't give you free-will
--------------------------------------------
That alone proves you didn't read the Quran, man you should read and try hard focusing while reading as for the verse you copied talking about the humans being bad, if he continued being bad he will rapidly be doing these things till his heart becomes black and he would never accept the right way like for example our dear friend "Athalus"
"Have WE not given him two eyes, And a tongue and two lips ? And WE have pointed out to him the two highways of good and evil."
There are many other verses proving that he gave us free will... Humans do have free will but it's going exactly as the Almighty God accepted. God gave humans the free will to chose the right or the bad path, he showed him the two ways, he guided humans what is write what is wrong. So now Humans can choose whatever they want and Allah because he is the Just he already gave humans what he chose. Allah already knows what every human will chose, everything about him, what he will be eating, drinking...etc and according to this knowledge before the creation of human who wrote it in the fate, according to the decisions of the human. If Allah didn't give the humans the free will he could have changed their decisions the one who created them can change their ways of life but no god wrote whatever they are choosing. For example if I did bad thing and things that angers my god, because of Allah being just he wrote what I would be doing in the future without changing it, the same thing if I did a good thing, Allah wrongs not anyone even so much as the weight of an atom. In conclusion Humans do have free will and its going according to what is written in fate thanks to Allah's knowledge and just.
The last paragraph you wrote are some nice words, you seem a to have close understanding of who GOD is, but this doesn't come from the Koran, this comes from within you, for the Koran contradicts itself and we both know GOD is consistent.
Allah gives no free-will, simply because Allah did not protect the word of Jesus so that the believers of Jesus would truly possess the Holy word and thus be able to choose between Good or Evil. But because the Word those people had was already contaminated (evil), those people had no choice according to your explanation as to why Allah allowed the bible to be contaminated, but not according to my explanation, for the Book Of Enoch was always and shall always be available so that choice (free-will) may exist.