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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #360 on: December 03, 2008, 07:02:46 PM »
So I guess my job here ends, you couldn't defend your claims

And proclaim: `Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Verily, falsehood is bound to vanish.

"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #361 on: December 03, 2008, 07:03:12 PM »
The thing is atheists don't know what caused the universe to begin,\

Neither do theists.

We do :)

You have a hypothesis with no evidence. You claim to know. Atheists do not claim to know, they have an idea and some evidence.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #362 on: December 03, 2008, 07:04:31 PM »
So I guess my job here ends, you couldn't defend your claims :)

And proclaim: `Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Verily, falsehood is bound to vanish.
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We have defended our claims, you choose not to listen.
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #363 on: December 03, 2008, 07:06:44 PM »
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You have a hypothesis with no evidence. You claim to know. Atheists do not claim to know, they have an idea and some evidence.

Raist, you don't need much knowledge or read books or whatever to know such clear things, it's common-sense but again if you want to believe your right and I am wrong I can never change that because you forced upon yourself whatever comes from this guy is wrong and false but am sure there are some around here are ready to believe, they don't block their their minds out of pure.............. you know what I mean...

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Verily, thou canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call, when they retreat turning their backs. And thou canst not guide the blind out of their error. Thou canst make only those to hear who believe in Our Signs, so they submit.
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #364 on: December 03, 2008, 07:07:33 PM »
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We have defended our claims, you choose not to listen.

I countered them all
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #365 on: December 03, 2008, 07:09:03 PM »
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We have defended our claims, you choose not to listen.

I countered them all

With scripture...  ::)
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #366 on: December 03, 2008, 07:13:27 PM »
Now I realized why you have more than 2000 posts ^_^

No more replies required by me, I would reply when I see fit...

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #367 on: December 03, 2008, 07:36:27 PM »
The thing is atheists don't know what caused the universe to begin, and anything they say is not based on evidence but based on personal opinions only.
Human knowledge is always growing. It is fallacious to attribute anything to the work of a supernatural being because it is not yet understood. Since the beginning of religion, anything not understood was attributed to god, much like the beginning of the universe. People believed eclipses and auros were supernatural. They believed that diseases were divine punishment. God was invented to patch up these holes in knowledge. When cavemen saw fire, they didn't understand combustion. They instead drew pictures of heavenly beings bestowing magic upon Earth. Instances involving the supernatural/magic has been disproven billions of times as the human race learns more and more about itself and surroundings. People know have telescopes and microscopes to see the stars and the bacteria and viruses. God is a patch designed to explain something that currently is unexplainable. It isn't a sound argument to do this because God is unexplained and whether he is real or not he is also a human invention (as proven by the near unanimous appearance of varying deity religions all over the world). To explain something by magic and leave it at that, because God is unquestionable, is horribly unscientific and biased.

  • The Big Bang has plentiful evidence, some of which you already mentioned.
  • There is no evidence of god.
  • I haven't seen any serious and shared atheist arguments stemming from personal opinion.

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Because they do not know what was 'before' the universe or big bang, and they have no solid proof for their opinions
Solid proof is impossible. It is impossible to prove what the center of the Earth is made out of. Evidence need not be 100% solid to be reliable. It is only unfair to assert that because it is impossible to have perfect proof, that we attribute answers to religion. It is impossible to prove that there isn't a mutant bunny trapped in the center of the Earth, yet the lack of evidence for one makes me conclude there isn't one.

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however if they knew the attributes of Almighty God (or what I call as Allah) they would have realized that Almighty's God existence is a must to a universe so all things in the universe be called exists.
Show this. You are offering conclusions rather than steps for investigation. It is 'proven' that conservation of matter is only applied in some circumstances.

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Suppose now there is a table, and I ask you hey can you help me to lift the table, you would say yeah but I need help from that person, then when that person would come he would say yeah but I need help from the person that helped me to come into existence, then when that person would come he would say the same thing again, again and again! why! simply because the attributes of being the first, no one before him and he is not like his creations is not accepted or not understandable to them that's why they keep repeating the same question, who created God
It is unfair to assert that God doesn't need a creator while the known universe does. There are countless math based theories, some of which postulate that the universe always exists. Some say that it expands and contracts (big bang and big crunch) some say membranes of higher dimensional spacetime collided and intersecting created a relatively small pocket of spacetime, (our universe) with its own properties.


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we cannot see emotions physically, but we see their product; tears, smile etc. The hormones in our body cause us to get these feelings, however the feelings cannot be physically seen except through their product for example tears, laugh etc... Like that, we see the universe around us, and how it is sustained and controlled for so long doesn't that would immediately for the sane mind would make him believe that this is the product of an All Powerful, Knowing and Wise Creator. This is not my believe but this is what we call Fitra which is in all humans whose Fitra are not corrupted :)

There is no reason to believe the universe is controlled.
There is no sound argument for making a leap to a creator.

Giving Fitra a name doesn't make it a valid concept. Religions are famous for believing they are correct and asserting that others are backwards, corrupted, mistaken, or evil. This applies to the views of the religion followers and sometimes their traits.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

Re: Athiest World
« Reply #368 on: December 03, 2008, 08:10:08 PM »
The thing is atheists don't know what caused the universe to begin, and anything they say is not based on evidence but based on personal opinions only.
Human knowledge is always growing. It is fallacious to attribute anything to the work of a supernatural being because it is not yet understood.
Unless something is necessarily impossible.

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Show this. You are offering conclusions rather than steps for investigation. It is 'proven' that conservation of matter is only applied in some circumstances.
Source?

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It is unfair to assert that God doesn't need a creator while the known universe does.
As God is different from the universe, it is fair.

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Religions are famous for believing they are correct and asserting that others are backwards, corrupted, mistaken, or evil. This applies to the views of the religion followers and sometimes their traits.
Interesting opinion.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #369 on: December 03, 2008, 08:24:46 PM »
Unless something is necessarily impossible.
There is no reason to believe it is impossible.

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Source?
Read up on QM.

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As God is different from the universe, it is fair.
Being separate doesn't remove the dilemma of origin.

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Interesting opinion.
Don't you agree with it? I recall you saying something like "no duh" to my post when I said something to the effect of "religions believe that only their own religion is the correct one".
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

Re: Athiest World
« Reply #370 on: December 03, 2008, 08:47:16 PM »
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Source?
Read up on QM.
Queen Mary has what to do with this discussion?

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As God is different from the universe, it is fair.
Being separate doesn't remove the dilemma of origin.
As God doesn't have an origin, it does.

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Interesting opinion.
Don't you agree with it? I recall you saying something like "no duh" to my post when I said something to the effect of "religions believe that only their own religion is the correct one".
You said all religious people can said to be corrupt and stupid.

Re: Athiest World
« Reply #371 on: December 03, 2008, 10:52:38 PM »
So I guess my job here ends, you couldn't defend your claims

And proclaim: `Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Verily, falsehood is bound to vanish.


So why are there still Muslims?
I hate myself for coming here

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #372 on: December 04, 2008, 04:07:23 AM »
You said all religious people can said to be corrupt and stupid.

Only in the other religions' perspective.
  • I never said stupid.
  • Corrupt was only recently introduced by Abdul and it was meant in a spiritual way.

Here is what I said earlier:
Religions are famous for believing they are correct, and asserting that others are backwards, corrupted, mistaken, or evil.
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #373 on: December 04, 2008, 04:23:07 AM »
ﮎingulaЯiτy Inshallah I will come back to your post soon.


Here is what I said earlier:
Religions are famous for believing they are correct, and asserting that others are backwards, corrupted, mistaken, or evil.

Do you remember the story of the kid (The liar) that our parents and teachers were telling us. He keep telling lie that there is a wolf there then all the people surround him then he laughs because he fooled them. He kept doing that several times but when really the wolf came nobody believed  ;D
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #374 on: December 04, 2008, 04:31:47 AM »
ﮎingulaЯiτy Inshallah I will come back to your post soon.


Here is what I said earlier:
Religions are famous for believing they are correct, and asserting that others are backwards, corrupted, mistaken, or evil.

Do you remember the story of the kid (The liar) that our parents and teachers were telling us. He keep telling lie that there is a wolf there then all the people surround him then he laughs because he fooled them. He kept doing that several times but when really the wolf came nobody believed  ;D

I don't see how 'the boy who cried wolf' applies here.
Do you agree that you believe your religion is right and others are wrong?
Do you agree that other religions view their religions as right and yours as wrong?
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #375 on: December 04, 2008, 04:47:16 AM »
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I don't see how 'the boy who cried wolf' applies here.

Only few can understand the purpose of the story and how it applies ;D
That was almost helpful.  ;)

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I ask you this, suppose now I say this Forums is mine! I REALLY REALLY REALLY Believe it's mine! Would it be Mine because I believe its mine  :)
No, beliefs do not determine reality.

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Oh btw tomorrow I am traveling to this place >>>
Why? Assuming this a religious place, why attend? You seem to already have your religious values set, so why listen to another person interpret the Quaran for you?
If I was asked to imagine a perfect deity, I would never invent one that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Christians get points for originality there.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #376 on: December 04, 2008, 04:59:28 AM »
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That was almost helpful.  ;)

You won ^_~

I wanted to say that Islam is the victim when the (One who warn us) came for the last time but we decided that time not to believe him and it was the last.

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No, beliefs do not determine reality.

Then we both agree there should be a type of methods, criteria to determine what is right and what is wrong.

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Why? Assuming this a religious place, why attend? You seem to already have your religious values set, so why listen to another person interpret the Quaran for you?

I will be there to perform the Hajj, now why the Hajj, the reasons, benefits it already need a whole different topic ^_^ but regarding the Quran I think you meant that when we pray 5 times a day! why we pray and listen the recitation of the Quran? as I said in the recitation topic, we Muslims are so lucky that just reading the words of God we are rewarded by him as he promised. For example a Christian said if you gave 100$ fo charity you will be rewarded by 1 from Almighty God. In my religion it's so easy to get rewarded by the Merciful God, for example if I read only one word from the Quran that consists of 5 letters I will get 5 rewards, and each reward is x 10 when you do a good thing a mercy from Allah. So can you imagine reading one page? that's why I always keep telling my Christians friends we are so lucky ^_^

Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. He who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed.
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"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

"Were they created of nothing, or were they themselves the creators? "
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #377 on: December 04, 2008, 10:52:52 AM »
Oh btw tomorrow I am traveling to this place >>>

That is awesome. Have a good trip.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #378 on: December 04, 2008, 12:44:31 PM »
I hope you were kidding about the atheist world.
most would agree it would not be like that.
oh and we don't burn christians.

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« Reply #379 on: December 04, 2008, 06:20:37 PM »
oh and we don't burn christians.

Speak for yourself.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #380 on: December 04, 2008, 06:37:49 PM »
oh and we don't burn christians.

Speak for yourself.




that gives us civilized people a bad rep.

Re: Athiest World
« Reply #381 on: December 04, 2008, 07:27:28 PM »
that gives us civilized people a bad rep.

This is not a time to be serious.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #382 on: December 04, 2008, 11:19:45 PM »
Christians are only used when wood supplies are low, any wise atheist should know this.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #383 on: December 04, 2008, 11:59:26 PM »
And wood is used again when Christian supplies run low. It's more sustainable if we alternate, so both are given a chance to recuperate.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #384 on: December 05, 2008, 04:17:26 AM »
Nah we go to the neo nazis for jews then repeat the cycle ;)

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #385 on: December 05, 2008, 07:17:55 AM »
Maybe in your crazy world, we don't have neo-nazis here, just neds. But we put them into arenas and watch them fight.
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #386 on: December 05, 2008, 10:46:25 AM »
You don't have neo-nazis? Got loads here
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #387 on: December 05, 2008, 12:28:52 PM »
Maybe in your crazy world, we don't have neo-nazis here, just neds. But we put them into arenas and watch them fight.

Lol, how can you not have neo nazis? They are the nicest hate filled people.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #388 on: December 05, 2008, 01:01:53 PM »
Maybe in your crazy world, we don't have neo-nazis here, just neds. But we put them into arenas and watch them fight.

Lol, how can you not have neo nazis? They are the nicest hate filled people.

This is a strangely true statement.
You think that a photograph is indisputable evidence?  Would you like me to show you a photograph of Barack Obama having sex with a gorilla?

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #389 on: December 05, 2008, 01:06:34 PM »
Maybe in your crazy world, we don't have neo-nazis here, just neds. But we put them into arenas and watch them fight.

Lol, how can you not have neo nazis? They are the nicest hate filled people.

This is a strangely true statement.

Yeah, they'd walk moonlit home to keep her from getting raped, then beat to death a black man for no apparent reason.