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Burning a bible would probably be a very christian thing to do. Being unwilling to burn one would show you are holding it in some sort of reverence, the 10 commandments clearly states you should have no idols above god. Claiming the bible is infallible is setting it fairly high I'd have to say.

A twice translated text is hardly infallible or the word of god.

Burning a bible would probably be a very christian thing to do. Being unwilling to burn one would show you are holding it in some sort of reverence, the 10 commandments clearly states you should have no idols above god.

And having reverance for something doesn't make it more important to you then God.

A twice translated text is hardly infallible or the word of god.

Considering that archaeological discoveries have been made confirming that the Bible has remained astonishingly nearly-identical in meaning to millennial old texts, that is sort of a misleading statement.

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Burning a bible would probably be a very christian thing to do. Being unwilling to burn one would show you are holding it in some sort of reverence, the 10 commandments clearly states you should have no idols above god.

And having reverance for something doesn't make it more important to you then God.

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A twice translated text is hardly infallible or the word of god.

Considering that archaeological discoveries have been made confirming that the Bible has remained astonishingly nearly-identical in meaning to millennial old texts, that is sort of a misleading statement.

I am not saying it has been hugely altered. I simply said that the translations have used words causing their meaning to be misconstrued. Language loses meaning when translated because most languages do not have words with identical meanings, and many cultures have words and sentences that carry greater meaning than simply their literal meaning.

A huge example are the numbers in the bible.

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Burning a bible would probably be a very christian thing to do. Being unwilling to burn one would show you are holding it in some sort of reverence, the 10 commandments clearly states you should have no idols above god.

And having reverance for something doesn't make it more important to you then God.

Dude, people in the bible were deemed doomed for dancing around a statue. srsly.

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A twice translated text is hardly infallible or the word of god.

Considering that archaeological discoveries have been made confirming that the Bible has remained astonishingly nearly-identical in meaning to millennial old texts, that is sort of a misleading statement.

I think the book in itself is sort of a misleading statement.

The bible was written by man. To follow it, is not to follow the word of god.
Hell, most janitors could give better advice than that piece of shit stack of lies fairy tale collection, despite whether or not it is rooted in truth.

At least it took him a 1800 posts. You, on the other hand, were confirmed as a raving lunatic the moment you stepped into Religion and Philosophy.Also:

OK so: kill babies, burn bible, don't restrict my behaviour at all as perscribed by Jesus.

Congrats on your "Christianity".

The fuck? do you have proof of these outrageous claims? Not even atheists do that shit.

Wow. Christians having pre-marital sex. Fancy that. Also, when the FUCK did Jesus say "Don't punch pregnant women in the gut", or something of that nature, since abortion didn't even exist back then?

Raist has said he supports abortion, thinks the bible is worthless, and engages in pre-marital sex. He does nothing to live a Christian lifestyle.

You can believe in the Christian god and have Christian values without living like a typical Christian.  I actually think it's great that Raist is honest and accepts his lifestyle as it is.  Most Christians deny themselves the things they love because of some stupid scritpture.

Wow. Christians having pre-marital sex. Fancy that. Also, when the FUCK did Jesus say "Don't punch pregnant women in the gut", or something of that nature, since abortion didn't even exist back then?

Actually, there was abortion.  Different plants and herbs were used and put together in a tea like drink.  The women drank them and it induced miscarriages. 

Really? That's actually pretty cool. Also, Emir, I was referring to the fact that christian people have plenty of pre-marital sex. They are also the ones who have the most extra-marital sex.

Jesus was very much against sex outside of marriage.

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Also, when the FUCK did Jesus say "Don't punch pregnant women in the gut", or something of that nature, since abortion didn't even exist back then?

So anything he didn't directly condemm is okay? The bible supports the sanctity of life.

"Let he that is without sin cast the first stone."   Sound familiar?  Or this "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.  That whoever shall believe in him will not parish but have everlasting life." 

I was born and raised in a Christian church.  Raist is only living as he sees fit.  It doesn't matter if he supports abortion.  According to Christianity as long as you accept Christ as your saviour, you're going to heaven.

I accept Christ as my saviour! Now where'd I leave my pick-ax? I need to go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course). Yay I'm going to heaven!

I accept Christ as my saviour! Now where'd I leave my pick-ax? I need to go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course). Yay I'm going to heaven!

   There's a difference between saying you accept him, and believing it.  Obviously someone who would go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course) wouldn't actually believe in Jesus Christ as his saviour.  And, you're definetly going to hell.  Fag.

I accept Christ as my saviour! Now where'd I leave my pick-ax? I need to go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course). Yay I'm going to heaven!

If this wasn't true, why would priests agree to speak to people on death row?

Quote from: Emir Parkreiner on November 19, 2008, 09:33:32 AM

I accept Christ as my saviour! Now where'd I leave my pick-ax? I need to go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course). Yay I'm going to heaven!

If this wasn't true, why would priests agree to speak to people on death row?

That's actually controversial among Christians.  Some believe you can be saved on your death bed.  Others don't.  It's relative to which church you attend.  I personally think that if Christianity is true then someone on their death bed couldn't suddenly decide to believe in God.  I think they're only saying they do out of fear which negates any real belief. 

Quote from: Emir Parkreiner on November 19, 2008, 09:33:32 AM

I accept Christ as my saviour! Now where'd I leave my pick-ax? I need to go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course). Yay I'm going to heaven!

   There's a difference between saying you accept him, and believing it.  Obviously someone who would go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course) wouldn't actually believe in Jesus Christ as his saviour.  And, you're definetly going to hell.  Fag.

Obviously someone who would go chop up innnocent children wouldn't actually believe in Jesus Christ as his saviour. And, Raist is definetly going to hell.

If this wasn't true, why would priests agree to speak to people on death row?

So they can ask forgivness for their sins, meaning they admit their actions were wrong.

So you actually mean that you make no difference between any sins, then?

So you actually mean that you make no difference between any sins, then?

This is one of my big problems with Christianity.  I don't believe a pedofile deserves to go to heaven no matter how sorry he is.  It just doesn't sit right with me.  The other problem is some child who dies of malaria some where who never heard of Jesus Christ or the Bible goes to hell.  These were the two main reasons I stopped going to church.  Finally, logic got me in the end and I stopped believing in a god all together.  Not to say I don't belive it's possible.  I just don't think there is one.  If there is though, we'll never know.

Obviously someone who would go chop up innnocent children wouldn't actually believe in Jesus Christ as his saviour.

Wrong, there has been many a delusional psychopath in history that has performed that act whilst believing in JC.

And, Raist is definetly going to hell.

A christian judgemental narrow minded opinion with no grounds of proof behind it at all.

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If this wasn't true, why would priests agree to speak to people on death row?

So they can ask forgivness for their sins, meaning they admit their actions were wrong.

It's a placebo to the pre executed, nothing more.

Raist has said he supports abortion, thinks the bible is worthless, and engages in pre-marital sex. He does nothing to live a Christian lifestyle.

The bible makes no reference to abortion. I understand the bible is a book, not god. The commandment is though shalt not commit adultery, until I am married I'm breaking no rules.

You are an idolatrous person, worshiping something other than god. You also are a liar, you tell people that God wants them to do things he has never said. Didn't jesus warn us about false prophets in his name?

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Quote from: Emir Parkreiner on November 19, 2008, 09:33:32 AM

I accept Christ as my saviour! Now where'd I leave my pick-ax? I need to go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course). Yay I'm going to heaven!

   There's a difference between saying you accept him, and believing it.  Obviously someone who would go chop up some bitches (after raping them of course) wouldn't actually believe in Jesus Christ as his saviour.  And, you're definetly going to hell.  Fag.

Obviously someone who would go chop up innnocent children wouldn't actually believe in Jesus Christ as his saviour. And, Raist is definetly going to hell.

1. Raist doesn't chop up innocent children...so...
2. Hell probably doesn't exist.
3. Neither does heaven, so that sucks.
4. Stop making assumptions.

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I am not saying it has been hugely altered. I simply said that the translations have used words causing their meaning to be misconstrued. Language loses meaning when translated because most languages do not have words with identical meanings, and many cultures have words and sentences that carry greater meaning than simply their literal meaning.

A huge example are the numbers in the bible.

Protip: You can have a bible containing a translation and definitions of the words in the original language. Problem solved.

Quote from: Emir Parkreiner on November 19, 2008, 09:18:28 AM

Raist has said he supports abortion, thinks the bible is worthless, and engages in pre-marital sex. He does nothing to live a Christian lifestyle.

The bible makes no reference to abortion.

http://www.bible.ca/s-Abortion.htm

I understand the bible is a book, not god.

So ignore what the bible says and do whatever you feel like.

You are an idolatrous person, worshiping something other than god. You also are a liar, you tell people that God wants them to do things he has never said.

Wrong and wrong.

Didn't Jesus warn us about false prophets in his name?

Good thing I'm not prophecizing anything.

1. Raist doesn't chop up innocent children...so...

He advocates it.

2. Hell probably doesn't exist.
3. Neither does heaven, so that sucks.
4. Stop making assumptions.

Irony.

No, thank you, for your inciteful advice and logical reasoning. You really add to the debate.

Quote from: Raist on November 18, 2008, 08:06:22 PM

I am not saying it has been hugely altered. I simply said that the translations have used words causing their meaning to be misconstrued. Language loses meaning when translated because most languages do not have words with identical meanings, and many cultures have words and sentences that carry greater meaning than simply their literal meaning.

A huge example are the numbers in the bible.

Protip: You can have a bible containing a translation and definitions of the words in the original language. Problem solved.

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

Quote from: Emir Parkreiner on November 19, 2008, 09:18:28 AM

Raist has said he supports abortion, thinks the bible is worthless, and engages in pre-marital sex. He does nothing to live a Christian lifestyle.

The bible makes no reference to abortion.

http://www.bible.ca/s-Abortion.htm

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

I understand the bible is a book, not god.

So ignore what the bible says and do whatever you feel like.

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

You are an idolatrous person, worshiping something other than god. You also are a liar, you tell people that God wants them to do things he has never said.

Wrong and wrong.

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

Didn't Jesus warn us about false prophets in his name?

Good thing I'm not prophecizing anything.

Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 20, 2008, 02:53:11 AM

1. Raist doesn't chop up innocent children...so...

He advocates it.

Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 20, 2008, 02:53:11 AM

2. Hell probably doesn't exist.
3. Neither does heaven, so that sucks.
4. Stop making assumptions.

Irony.

Chrimbo trolls can be so cute

Quote from: Raist on November 18, 2008, 08:06:22 PM

I am not saying it has been hugely altered. I simply said that the translations have used words causing their meaning to be misconstrued. Language loses meaning when translated because most languages do not have words with identical meanings, and many cultures have words and sentences that carry greater meaning than simply their literal meaning.

A huge example are the numbers in the bible.

Protip: You can have a bible containing a translation and definitions of the words in the original language. Problem solved.

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

Quote from: Emir Parkreiner on November 19, 2008, 09:18:28 AM

Raist has said he supports abortion, thinks the bible is worthless, and engages in pre-marital sex. He does nothing to live a Christian lifestyle.

The bible makes no reference to abortion.

http://www.bible.ca/s-Abortion.htm

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

I understand the bible is a book, not god.

So ignore what the bible says and do whatever you feel like.

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

You are an idolatrous person, worshiping something other than god. You also are a liar, you tell people that God wants them to do things he has never said.

Wrong and wrong.

Quote from: Raist on November 19, 2008, 11:45:24 AM

Didn't Jesus warn us about false prophets in his name?

Good thing I'm not prophecizing anything.

Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 20, 2008, 02:53:11 AM

1. Raist doesn't chop up innocent children...so...

He advocates it.

Quote from: Trekky0623 on November 20, 2008, 02:53:11 AM

2. Hell probably doesn't exist.
3. Neither does heaven, so that sucks.
4. Stop making assumptions.

Irony.

In the future, don't link me to a site that makes basic grammar mistakes.

edit: also, any site that wants to justify what we do today by which terms ancient people used for a biological process, needs to stop beating off to the jews.

# Theologically, there are really only two questions:
# At what point does life (ie: do not kill) begin between conception and birth?
# Is it sin to abort a fetus?

Lol, yeah, because all religions have sin.

The flaws atheist hate so much in religion exist in most cultures and idealisms which leads me to think that they are inherent in large scale human nature and not exclusive to religon. A true idealist would believe in co-existance not a uniformed thinking format... as they say variety is the spice of life.

God should not arrange everything in a way such that people CAN piss him off.  It's like at any moment he picks a stage of depression at random...  What?  Gay people?  I am ANGRY!  A lot of people are going to hell no matter what?  I am SAADDDD, make JESUS!  Now people are killing others in my name?  Keep it up, this is definitely what I want, and my MP is running low of late so yeah...

Actually, if I were a creating God, I would create situations where my creations could dissapoint me. I just wouldn't punish them.

Actually, if I were a creating God, I would create situations where my creations could dissapoint me. I just wouldn't punish them.

I agree.
This also begs the question, is god emotional?