Athiest World

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #150 on: October 17, 2008, 05:07:10 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

Christians are moral because they fear hell or want heaven. And your either trolling poorly or have turned on your retard switch.
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #151 on: October 17, 2008, 05:32:43 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

Christians are moral because they fear hell or want heaven. And your either trolling poorly or have turned on your Christian switch.

Common mistake, it's sometimes hard to tell the difference with some, but fixt nonetheless.
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #152 on: October 17, 2008, 08:37:16 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

Just for shits and giggles. What were the crusades all about? and the troubles in Northern Ireland? and pretty much all the wars in between?

Were they because an atheist had sex with a hooker or smoked pot?

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to be fair the troubles were about Unionists and Nationalists, the religious element just helped to sustain it by keeping the people separate and indoctrinating them.

A better example of religion being the cause of conflict is the massacre of Christians in Osseria (I think) by Hindus.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #153 on: October 17, 2008, 08:38:39 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, Athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

Heaven/hell. moral high-ground lost.

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« Reply #154 on: October 17, 2008, 09:48:21 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, Athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

Heaven/hell. moral high-ground lost.

Which part of the bible am I supposed to take my morals from?  Deuteronomy?  Daniel?  Revelations!
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #155 on: October 17, 2008, 09:51:47 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

No, atheists have morals.  It's natural to know what will make someone hurt and what will make someone happy.  For example, a nice person knows not to steal or do shit like that because it will hurt someone else.  It has nothing to do with the Bible.

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« Reply #156 on: October 17, 2008, 09:54:32 AM »
Christians have a reason to be moral, athiests only follow the law when they fear getting caught.

No, atheists have morals.  It's natural to know what will make someone hurt and what will make someone happy.  For example, a nice person knows not to steal or do shit like that because it will hurt someone else.  It has nothing to do with the Bible.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #157 on: October 17, 2008, 10:05:35 AM »

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #158 on: October 17, 2008, 10:13:46 PM »
Personally I see no problem with religion though I am more of an agnostic or deist myself.  The only problem i see with certain religion is that everything good comes with the fact that the consequence will be horrible.  I also find it horrendous to say that one religion is right, while condeming all others. 
Normally when I'm not sure I just cop a feel.

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« Reply #159 on: October 18, 2008, 04:22:04 AM »
Personally I see no problem with religion though I am more of an agnostic or deist myself.  The only problem i see with certain religion is that everything good comes with the fact that the consequence will be horrible.  I also find it horrendous to say that one religion is right, while condemning all others. 

Precisely what drives religious hatred. atheists attack religions by making snide comments or saying 'my aren't you stupid.' Religious people attack other religions by burning down their places of worship and forcing them to convert on pain of death.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/01/india.religion

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #160 on: October 20, 2008, 09:55:12 AM »
orite, it doesn't. Also, I think the atheist approach is more logical. Mentally tormenting stupid people is better than kicking enlightened indivduals in the face. That's not saying that all atheists are smart and all religious people are idiots, but still, these are the worst consequences that can come off each practice.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #161 on: October 20, 2008, 10:08:28 AM »
orite, it doesn't. Also, I think the atheist approach is more logical. Mentally tormenting stupid people is better than kicking enlightened indivduals in the face. That's not saying that all atheists are smart and all religious people are idiots, but still, these are the worst consequences that can come off each practice.

Expect to get the Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot argument here...
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #162 on: October 20, 2008, 12:10:46 PM »
What does that have to do with my post?
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #163 on: October 21, 2008, 01:05:00 AM »
What does that have to do with my post?

This is the point where theists tend to shout out "Atheism leads to Nazi Germany, Hitler was an Atheist blah blah blah"

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« Reply #164 on: October 21, 2008, 01:15:19 AM »
What does that have to do with my post?

This is the point where theists tend to shout out "Atheism leads to Nazi Germany, Hitler was an Atheist blah blah blah"
1. Do you believe in evolution?

2. Do you want the betterment of the human race?

Re: Athiest World
« Reply #165 on: October 21, 2008, 02:53:08 AM »
1. Do you believe in evolution?

2. Do you want the betterment of the human race?
Define 'believe' in this context as the word often implies some sort of faith, which can be misleading.

What do you mean by 'betterment'?

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Benocrates

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #166 on: October 21, 2008, 05:52:20 AM »
What do you mean by 'betterment'?
This is why that argument is flawed
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« Reply #167 on: October 21, 2008, 07:30:35 AM »
What does that have to do with my post?

This is the point where theists tend to shout out "Atheism leads to Nazi Germany, Hitler was an Atheist blah blah blah"
1. Do you believe in evolution?

2. Do you want the betterment of the human race?
Theists are usually the ones that believe in better.

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Wendy

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #168 on: October 21, 2008, 08:38:28 AM »
1. I have come to accept the validity of the occurrence of evolution, but do not know enough about the theory of evolution to form an opinion on its validity.
2. If by betterment, you mean moral betterment, then yes. Now, it all depends on whose morals to use. I believe mine are fairly sound. How about you? Oh, that's right, I forgot, you don't have any of your own. :D
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Benocrates

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #169 on: October 21, 2008, 02:59:10 PM »
it all depends on whose morals to use. I believe mine are fairly sound. How about you? Oh, that's right, I forgot, you don't have any of your own. :D
well played
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« Reply #170 on: October 23, 2008, 04:32:18 AM »
orite, it doesn't. Also, I think the atheist approach is more logical. Mentally tormenting stupid people is better than kicking enlightened indivduals in the face. That's not saying that all atheists are smart and all religious people are idiots, but still, these are the worst consequences that can come off each practice.

Expect to get the Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot argument here...
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #171 on: October 23, 2008, 11:39:12 AM »
Why does everybody think Hitler was an atheist?
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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #172 on: October 23, 2008, 11:41:26 AM »
Why does everybody think whether Hitler was an Atheist or not even matters?

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #173 on: October 23, 2008, 11:52:25 AM »
You didn't fix it, you just changed it to an equally valid, but nonetheless entirely different question!
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« Reply #174 on: October 23, 2008, 07:22:15 PM »
wow. are you kidding me?
 i looked up how many athiests there are and this came up. i was pissed after reading what that guy said.

im an athiest. i have no problem with christians.. jews.. muslims.. or any religion. i have morals. i don't drink or smoke. this thread is pointless and inaccurate.

i've never used science to disprove a god. but ive never seen any proof of god. whenever i've asked for proof i got either A. the reason that person believes in god (IE. the human blood clotting system requiring ALOT of things to be functioning in your body to function properly) or B. "you must have faith."

here is the reason i don't believe in god. it's not scientific, just logical. and i pose it in the form of a few questions.

Who wrote the bible? Where did this person get all this information? Why should we take a book written HUNDREDS of years ago seriously? If Harry Potter had been writen hundreds of years ago, would you believe in a hogwarts just like you believe in heaven?

The way i see it religion is a good thing. It has started a few wars, but without it, most people have no reason to live.

so. What lead you to believe that athiests were immoral?

I'm not going to try and convince anyone there is no god, i could be wrong. maybe there is an upper diety that noone can possibly fatham.

and ill close with this. there will never be any proof of a reason for our existance. and no scientific evidence that can disprove a god will ever be accepted because of the "you must have faith" card.

thanks for your time

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« Reply #175 on: October 23, 2008, 07:30:38 PM »
wow. are you kidding me?
 i looked up how many athiests there are and this came up. i was pissed after reading what that guy said.

im an athiest. i have no problem with christians.. jews.. muslims.. or any religion. i have morals. i don't drink or smoke. this thread is pointless and inaccurate.

i've never used science to disprove a god. but ive never seen any proof of god. whenever i've asked for proof i got either A. the reason that person believes in god (IE. the human blood clotting system requiring ALOT of things to be functioning in your body to function properly) or B. "you must have faith."

here is the reason i don't believe in god. it's not scientific, just logical. and i pose it in the form of a few questions.

Who wrote the bible? Where did this person get all this information? Why should we take a book written HUNDREDS of years ago seriously? If Harry Potter had been writen hundreds of years ago, would you believe in a hogwarts just like you believe in heaven?

The way i see it religion is a good thing. It has started a few wars, but without it, most people have no reason to live.

so. What lead you to believe that athiests were immoral?

I'm not going to try and convince anyone there is no god, i could be wrong. maybe there is an upper diety that noone can possibly fatham.

and ill close with this. there will never be any proof of a reason for our existance. and no scientific evidence that can disprove a god will ever be accepted because of the "you must have faith" card.

thanks for your time
The context the two books were written in is what distinguishes them. Considering the bible is more a compilation than a book.

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« Reply #176 on: October 23, 2008, 07:47:20 PM »
alright.. so what if the bible is a compilation? WHERE WAS the infomation gathered? my personal guess. taverns. by people in the tavern. people who have consumed (C2H5OH), people whos train of thought has been distorted by (C2H5OH).

you probably have a different opinion. but, correct me if im wrong but its something like this
"a man found a shitload of golden tablets with writing from a different language, one noone had seen, so he prayed and god gave him the ability to read it, told everyone he was the only one who could read it and translated it"

well at least thats my theory on the book of mormons (im EX-mormon)

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Re: Athiest World
« Reply #177 on: October 23, 2008, 07:57:51 PM »
alright.. so what if the bible is a compilation? WHERE WAS the infomation gathered? my personal guess. taverns. by people in the tavern. people who have consumed (C2H5OH), people whos train of thought has been distorted by (C2H5OH).

you probably have a different opinion. but, correct me if im wrong but its something like this
"a man found a shitload of golden tablets with writing from a different language, one noone had seen, so he prayed and god gave him the ability to read it, told everyone he was the only one who could read it and translated it"

well at least thats my theory on the book of mormons (im EX-mormon)

That is the book of mormons yes.... Which has nothing to do with the bible. Harry Potter was written with the intent to entertain. The Bible was based on traditions, stories, and beliefs.

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« Reply #178 on: October 24, 2008, 09:07:38 AM »
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but without it, most people have no reason to live.

If they have no reason to live other than religion then I would say that they might as well take themselves closer to their god by jumping off a cliff.

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« Reply #179 on: October 24, 2008, 12:10:57 PM »
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but without it, most people have no reason to live.

If they have no reason to live other than religion then I would say that they might as well take themselves closer to their god by jumping off a cliff.
Early Christisn churches had some problems with that.