Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People

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Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« on: September 16, 2008, 08:24:28 PM »
Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said; Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Is the Son Of Man here?
Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

Jesus seals his with this verse; “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).

There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 08:46:24 PM »
Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said; Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Is the Son Of Man here?
Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

Jesus seals his with this verse; “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).

There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 09:04:55 PM »
Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles?
Perhaps he was drunk. I heard they were knocking the back like it was their last supper.
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 03:33:38 AM »
1. There is another verse that contradicts with the above that I couldn't find.
2. There are complicated and hard ways to find the solution to this.
3. It's not Jesus Words.

Jesus Peace be upon him Doesn't lie
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 04:57:00 AM »
Let's assume you're living 2000-odd years ago and are being persecuted, maybe for saying that the Earth is flat or something, so you decide to leave town for another like Jesus suggested.  I think you could roam around Israel for the rest of your life without running out of towns. Since Jesus was giving advice to mortal people with a life expectancy probably little more than 50 years, it's not unreasonable to say that his advice was valid.

So he didn't lie - assuming you meet the him when you die, the coming of Mr. J. Christ would happen before you ran out of towns, at least from your point of view.
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 03:49:15 PM »
1. There is another verse that contradicts with the above that I couldn't find.
2. There are complicated and hard ways to find the solution to this.
3. It's not Jesus Words.

Jesus Peace be upon him Doesn't lie

I'm sure, as Jesus was an outstanding individual, wouldn't want to lie, but he might do it anyhow, because he believed it to be truth. Because, according to you, he was a simple prophet, and not the Son of God.
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 03:54:29 PM »
Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said; Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Is the Son Of Man here?
Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

Jesus seals his with this verse; “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).

There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

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This is actually good advice. If you are persecuted in one town, flee to another, start anew. People there don't know you yet. You have a shot at making a good impression. I don't really think that you'd run out of villages before you found one that accepted you.



Unless you were gay in biblical times.
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 03:57:10 PM »
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Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles

He was an asshole?

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 07:03:23 PM »
From what I've heard (and this may or may not be accurate), many bible scholars agree that Jesus did not say about half of what he is credited to have said.  Furthermore, he may not have said as much as two-thirds of what he is credited to have said.  However, they are the kinds of things that he would have said.
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 07:06:59 PM »
Only those with a higher spiritual understanding and who posses Truth will be able to answer the following as to why Jesus said; Matthew.10:[23]When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Is the Son Of Man here?
Is this the Kingdom of Heaven?

Jesus seals his with this verse; “Verily I say unto you, There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom” (Matthew 16:28).

There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death
There shall be some standing here which shall not taste of death

Waiting for those who are filled, overflowing with Grace capable of answering...

This is actually good advice. If you are persecuted in one town, flee to another, start anew. People there don't know you yet. You have a shot at making a good impression. I don't really think that you'd run out of villages before you found one that accepted you.



Unless you were gay in biblical times.

If you were gay you had entire countries....

Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 07:22:39 PM »
Sodom and Gomorrah were fun while they lasted.

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 07:32:53 PM »
So was rome.

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 07:55:52 PM »
They knew how to party...

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 07:59:52 PM »
And then they died.

Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 08:01:16 PM »
And then they died.
...in a blaze of glory...

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2008, 08:02:59 PM »
in a midst of fire and brimstone

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2008, 08:03:26 PM »
Potato potatto...

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2008, 09:03:41 AM »
Unless you were gay in biblical times.

No-ones gay (male /female), its just a condition imposed on you like being a womanizer or a young girl or boy voyeur...

If you have ever felt the uncontrollable urge to lust, be it straight, homo, bi, or group, you are a victim. If you have ever felt a jealous emotion towards someone else or someones goods, be it in contempt or made yourself to feel unworthy you have been victimized. If you have ever felt a paranoid delusion about having a disease or extremely worried about contracting one, you have been a victim of SORCERY.

1Enoch.68:[17]Kasyade: he discovered to the children of men every wicked stroke of spirits and of demons: The stroke of the embryo in the womb, to diminish it; the stroke of the spirit by the bite of the serpent, and the stroke which is given in the mid-day by the offspring of the serpent, the name of which is Tabaet.

This stroking of the spirit is what GOD calls the stealing of the souls of men. Humans are the ones administering this, TAUGHT by the Fallen Angels, they are known to Heaven as the soulless.

1Enoch.16:[3]Say, In Heaven have you been; secret things, however, have not been manifested to you; yet have you known a reprobated mystery. [4]And this you have related to women in the hardness of your heart, and by that mystery have women and mankind multiplied evils upon the Earth.

This mystery was never intended to be known by the humans, yet this mystery is still being invoked through out our world by the soulless, to disgrace and plunder us.

Because this is a necessary mystery for our free will, this mystery is the energy of the opposite of good. Because we are created from good, the forces of Creation (light), we can only be good, but to choose to be good, there has to be the opposite which is what this is, the forces of Destruction (darkness).

GOD created us to choose between good and evil, and being loving HE made it even easier for us to live pious and virtuous, by contain this evil energy in a receptacle in Heaven guarded by Angels. So we would always choose easily to be good, and not be subjected to the consequence of sin and live forever!

Sin is destruction, after sin, what is there, but death. When the bite is inflicted, it penetrates the soul and releases its energy, which we then manifest and culminate sin. You will always see someone who is standing almost to in sync to when the bite is first released, the bite strikes your soul like a spiritual punch, you will feel that something has changed from how you felt just moments before. In today’s society those who inflict the bite may be labeled as psychic vampires.

There were many bogus studies done on psychic vampirism, this is to conceal and protect themselves from you ever discovering the truth. The strike of the spirit will leave anyone feeling empty, but this is not vampirism sucking your energy, it is the opposite of good energy being inflicted in you. Those responsible will be accountable, but in the mean time you must become aware of what is taking place, and you must learn how too resist, or perish, in vain.

Most of the time the bite will evolve into lust or paranoia of dying of a disease, but most mass murders and sociopath are victims of this evil as well. Your only recourse is to resist, expend the evil energy that was inflicted into you as orderly, as possible.

Have you ever wondered why the medical symbol “The Caduceus” which is a pair of wings drawn open and a rod with two serpents facing each other is the symbol of health?

The Fallen Angels (wings), discovering to the children of men (rod), the bite of the serpent (1st snake) and the stroke given in the mid-day by the offspring (2nd snake) is a modern part of this mystery! The sad truth is, anyone who has been to a hospital has become a victim of this mystery.

If lust is the energy of the bite, you can consume its energy by masturbating with orderly sexual thoughts, example, girls will climax and orgasm on thoughts of being impregnated and begetting life in their bellies, while the boys will orgasm on thoughts of impregnating girls and putting milk in their breasts.

There is no room for any form of perversion! This will consume the energy gradually, you will be tested over and over, the soulless are most resilient, almost as if their lives depended on it.

If you give into the energy, you will manufacture that energy and become a door mat of the ONES who are part of this energy, Fallen Angels & Demons included.

If the bite is one of sickness and disease, keep in mind that you are made from good and nothing other than good can you become. If Adam and Noah lived hundreds of years, it is because they new of this reprobated mystery and fought the good fight!

If the bite is one of hate, most of the time the energy will direct you to hate GOD, this obviously is a trap and is there to lead even further away from saving yourself. Hate the soulless who have inflicted you with this infirmity, hate them until your heart delights. Don’t hurt anyone, including yourself and wait with patience.

Also, thoughts of anything evil and envy or jealousy are not yours, this energy can be very deceptive but remember you were made from good, anything other than good belongs to that evil energy. For every negative thought that comes into your mind, replace it with an equal and positive one.

Getting rid of sin is a great undertaking. As your body regenerates itself with new cells, if at that precise time you were sinning, those new cells will contain the corruption of sin within them. When you stop sinning, the body targets those corrupted cells and dumps them in your blood stream for expulsion. Once in your blood stream the toxic waste of those cells pass thru the blood brain barrier, your nerve sensors will detect the by-product, one must remain very strong during this phase because your body will ache in pain and in temptation.

Read (Chapter 104) for comfort, and good luck!

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2008, 11:29:35 AM »
Unless you were gay in biblical times.

No-ones gay (male /female), its just a condition imposed on you like being a womanizer or a young girl or boy voyeur...

If you have ever felt the uncontrollable urge to lust, be it straight, homo, bi, or group, you are a victim. If you have ever felt a jealous emotion towards someone else or someones goods, be it in contempt or made yourself to feel unworthy you have been victimized. If you have ever felt a paranoid delusion about having a disease or extremely worried about contracting one, you have been a victim of SORCERY.

1Enoch.68:[17]Kasyade: he discovered to the children of men every wicked stroke of spirits and of demons: The stroke of the embryo in the womb, to diminish it; the stroke of the spirit by the bite of the serpent, and the stroke which is given in the mid-day by the offspring of the serpent, the name of which is Tabaet.

This stroking of the spirit is what GOD calls the stealing of the souls of men. Humans are the ones administering this, TAUGHT by the Fallen Angels, they are known to Heaven as the soulless.

1Enoch.16:[3]Say, In Heaven have you been; secret things, however, have not been manifested to you; yet have you known a reprobated mystery. [4]And this you have related to women in the hardness of your heart, and by that mystery have women and mankind multiplied evils upon the Earth.

This mystery was never intended to be known by the humans, yet this mystery is still being invoked through out our world by the soulless, to disgrace and plunder us.

Because this is a necessary mystery for our free will, this mystery is the energy of the opposite of good. Because we are created from good, the forces of Creation (light), we can only be good, but to choose to be good, there has to be the opposite which is what this is, the forces of Destruction (darkness).

GOD created us to choose between good and evil, and being loving HE made it even easier for us to live pious and virtuous, by contain this evil energy in a receptacle in Heaven guarded by Angels. So we would always choose easily to be good, and not be subjected to the consequence of sin and live forever!

Sin is destruction, after sin, what is there, but death. When the bite is inflicted, it penetrates the soul and releases its energy, which we then manifest and culminate sin. You will always see someone who is standing almost to in sync to when the bite is first released, the bite strikes your soul like a spiritual punch, you will feel that something has changed from how you felt just moments before. In today’s society those who inflict the bite may be labeled as psychic vampires.

There were many bogus studies done on psychic vampirism, this is to conceal and protect themselves from you ever discovering the truth. The strike of the spirit will leave anyone feeling empty, but this is not vampirism sucking your energy, it is the opposite of good energy being inflicted in you. Those responsible will be accountable, but in the mean time you must become aware of what is taking place, and you must learn how too resist, or perish, in vain.

Most of the time the bite will evolve into lust or paranoia of dying of a disease, but most mass murders and sociopath are victims of this evil as well. Your only recourse is to resist, expend the evil energy that was inflicted into you as orderly, as possible.

Have you ever wondered why the medical symbol “The Caduceus” which is a pair of wings drawn open and a rod with two serpents facing each other is the symbol of health?

The Fallen Angels (wings), discovering to the children of men (rod), the bite of the serpent (1st snake) and the stroke given in the mid-day by the offspring (2nd snake) is a modern part of this mystery! The sad truth is, anyone who has been to a hospital has become a victim of this mystery.

If lust is the energy of the bite, you can consume its energy by masturbating with orderly sexual thoughts, example, girls will climax and orgasm on thoughts of being impregnated and begetting life in their bellies, while the boys will orgasm on thoughts of impregnating girls and putting milk in their breasts.

There is no room for any form of perversion! This will consume the energy gradually, you will be tested over and over, the soulless are most resilient, almost as if their lives depended on it.

If you give into the energy, you will manufacture that energy and become a door mat of the ONES who are part of this energy, Fallen Angels & Demons included.

If the bite is one of sickness and disease, keep in mind that you are made from good and nothing other than good can you become. If Adam and Noah lived hundreds of years, it is because they new of this reprobated mystery and fought the good fight!

If the bite is one of hate, most of the time the energy will direct you to hate GOD, this obviously is a trap and is there to lead even further away from saving yourself. Hate the soulless who have inflicted you with this infirmity, hate them until your heart delights. Don’t hurt anyone, including yourself and wait with patience.

Also, thoughts of anything evil and envy or jealousy are not yours, this energy can be very deceptive but remember you were made from good, anything other than good belongs to that evil energy. For every negative thought that comes into your mind, replace it with an equal and positive one.

Getting rid of sin is a great undertaking. As your body regenerates itself with new cells, if at that precise time you were sinning, those new cells will contain the corruption of sin within them. When you stop sinning, the body targets those corrupted cells and dumps them in your blood stream for expulsion. Once in your blood stream the toxic waste of those cells pass thru the blood brain barrier, your nerve sensors will detect the by-product, one must remain very strong during this phase because your body will ache in pain and in temptation.

Read (Chapter 104) for comfort, and good luck!
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2008, 12:47:44 PM »
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I'm sure, as Jesus was an outstanding individual, wouldn't want to lie, but he might do it anyhow, because he believed it to be truth. Because, according to you, he was a simple prophet, and not the Son of God.

I still say he was human but Prophet. In Islam we really appreciate Jesus alot, in fact no Muslim is considered a Muslim if he said there was no Jesus or he wasn't messenger. We Muslims believe that he was one of the five greatest messengers of Allah, the five are: (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus & Mohammed). We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission. We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission. We Muslims can never allow ourselves to Insult Jesus peace be upon him, we may love him even more than Christians themselves, We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh). In fact it's an honor for Jesus, Mohammed....etc that they were servants of Allah.

Allah Said The Following in the Quran >>>

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They indeed have disbelieved who say, `Surely ALLAH - He is the Messiah, son of Mary.' Say, `Who then has any power against ALLAH, if HE desired to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother and all those that are in the earth ?' And to ALLAH belongs the Kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. HE creates what HE pleases and ALLAH has power over all things.

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Indeed, they are disbelievers who say, `ALLAH, HE is the Messiah, son of Mary,' whereas the Messiah himself said, `O Children of Israel, worship ALLAH Who is my Lord and your Lord.' Surely, whoso associates partners with ALLAH, him has ALLAH forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers. They surely disbelieve who say, `ALLAH is the third of three;' there is no god but the One God. And if they do not desist from what they say, a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve.

Punisher
I didn't read what you wrote, however I will do that pretty soon, but before that may I ask what is your believe? are you atheist, Christian...etc?
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2008, 01:25:53 PM »
Who, me? I'm as of yet undecided on the matter, which is why I love discussing it so much.
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2008, 01:55:29 PM »
Who, me? I'm as of yet undecided on the matter, which is why I love discussing it so much.

Man that's the best thing you can do for the moment, think twice before taking any decision, once man take a way it will be hard for him to change the route. All the best ^_~
"And say, `All praise belongs to ALLAH; HE will soon show you HIS Signs, and you will know them.' And thy Lord is not unaware of what you do."

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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2008, 02:15:08 PM »
Punisher
I didn't read what you wrote, however I will do that pretty soon, but before that may I ask what is your believe? are you atheist, Christian...etc?

If I were atheist I wouldn't quote from True scriptures "Book Of Enoch" or waste so much time on this subject at least me, I know GOD nevermind if I believe and I have seen Enoch and their coming brother, best be ready.... All religions spawned from this Book and they twisted the truth to divide us and the conquer us this Book isn't a religion its the Covenant GOD made with Man written by the Messiah the Blesseth Holy Enoch....
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Re: Why did Jesus LIE to his Apostles.....Only Enlightened People
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2008, 02:26:13 PM »
Who, me? I'm as of yet undecided on the matter, which is why I love discussing it so much.

Undecided.  Does that mean agnostic on the verge of atheist or vice versa?