If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...

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If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:01:07 AM »
...and when we jump, the earth catches up with us, how in gods fucking name, does a plane work? I take it its constantly having to fly upwards? cos lets face it, the earth is gonna catch up with that and flying would be impossible then. Also birds, helicopters.etc

Clear that one up for us all...

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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 07:02:32 AM »
...and when we jump, the earth catches up with us, how in gods fucking name, does a plane work? I take it its constantly having to fly upwards? cos lets face it, the earth is gonna catch up with that and flying would be impossible then. Also birds, helicopters.etc

Clear that one up for us all...

Learn some physics.
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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 07:04:04 AM »
I take it its constantly having to fly upwards?
It is constantly accelerating upwards.

cos lets face it, the earth is gonna catch up with that and flying would be impossible then. Also birds, helicopters.etc
There is this little thing called "lift".

Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 07:04:39 AM »
Well assuming you know physics, just tell me?

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 07:04:47 AM »
I take it its constantly having to fly upwards?

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Yes it does. Thats why planes have wings and move trough air.
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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 07:12:45 AM »
..As proof of this, take a row boat..

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 07:16:54 AM »
The usual corpse trundled out by FE'ers is that the planes are travelling up at the same speed. Hence, relatively speaking, there is no "falling". As proof of this, take a row boat, get your friend to row as fast as he can and then you throw a ball up into the air. It will come back to you even though the boat has moved on.
Obviously, because the Earth accelerates you towards the ball.  ::)

Why? Perhaps the ball is given dark energy
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2008, 07:38:30 AM »
I think you miscombobulate me. The ball doesn't plop into the water behind the boat. It falls back into the boat. Why is this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newton.27s_first_law:_law_of_inertia
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 07:38:54 AM »
The usual corpse trundled out by FE'ers is that the planes are travelling up at the same speed. Hence, relatively speaking, there is no "falling". As proof of this, take a row boat, get your friend to row as fast as he can and then you throw a ball up into the air. It will come back to you even though the boat has moved on.
Obviously, because the Earth accelerates you towards the ball.

I think you miscombobulate me. The ball doesn't plop into the water behind the boat. It falls back into the boat. Why is this?

erm, you realise it doesnt fall back into the boat, it falls  behind in the water.....yeah? lmao

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 07:39:42 AM »
The usual corpse trundled out by FE'ers is that the planes are travelling up at the same speed. Hence, relatively speaking, there is no "falling". As proof of this, take a row boat, get your friend to row as fast as he can and then you throw a ball up into the air. It will come back to you even though the boat has moved on.
Obviously, because the Earth accelerates you towards the ball.  ::)

Why? Perhaps the ball is given dark energy
No.

hey, i dont come up with this shit, you's do ;)

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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 08:02:48 AM »
Are you in love?

I wish. It's like I've been desensitised to interests such as relationships by repeated failure to even get one going... but that's neither here nor there.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 08:16:46 AM »
It falls back into the boat. Why is this?
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because the Earth accelerates

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 08:50:12 AM »
Obviously.

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 08:54:22 AM »
The earth doesn't accelerate sideways though does it?

That depends on how you define your coordinate system.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2008, 09:16:57 AM »
Why?

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 09:36:21 AM »
It sounds like it could be a fundamental part of FE Theory.

What if two people set off in row boats in opposite directions on the same lake.

In each boat a person throws a ball into the air. Each ball lands inside its respective boat.

Now imagine a whole lake filled with joyous edwardian types all rowing in random directions and throwing balls up in the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newton.27s_first_law:_law_of_inertia
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 09:53:39 AM »
Are you agreeing with me Osama, that the earth doesn't accelerate sideways?

In a coordinate system where "up" is defined as the direction of acceleration of a body that is stationary relative to the surface of the Earth, and "sideways" is defined as any direction which is perpendicular to "up", then yes, I do agree. Newton's first law of motion is all that is necessary to explain why the ball will return to the boat.
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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 02:01:40 PM »
The usual corpse trundled out by FE'ers is that the planes are travelling up at the same speed. Hence, relatively speaking, there is no "falling". As proof of this, take a row boat, get your friend to row as fast as he can and then you throw a ball up into the air. It will come back to you even though the boat has moved on.
Obviously, because the Earth accelerates you towards the ball.

I think you miscombobulate me. The ball doesn't plop into the water behind the boat. It falls back into the boat. Why is this?

erm, you realise it doesnt fall back into the boat, it falls  behind in the water.....yeah? lmao

Really? Try it.
Technically it also depends on the angle at which you throw the ball. If you were, in theory, to throw the ball straight up into the air, a full 90 degrees to the flat earth, the ball will meet friction with the air and move "backward" compared to the speed of the rowboat, after which, the earth would accelerate back and meet the ball. If you were to throw it at just the right forward angle, it would indeed plop back into the boat.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 03:29:30 PM »
Good, glad we've got that out of the way.

To surmise: It might be interesting to equate the forces behind this acceleration, it does not equate the means of production behind these forces.

Ah, you'll want Newton's second law of motion this time.

Would you also agree that where celestial bodies are observably accelerating in different directions, then the uniform accelerator idea doesn't hold much water?

No, I don't agree there.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 08:07:57 PM »
Are you in love?

I wish. It's like I've been desensitised to interests such as relationships by repeated failure to even get one going... but that's neither here nor there.

...waiting till after the second date to tell her that you believe the earth is flat may help

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 08:21:03 PM »
...waiting till after the second date to tell her that you believe the earth is flat may help

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Now, on topic.
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2008, 01:43:57 AM »
Newtons II describes the relation between the acceleration of a mass and the force exerted on it. It says nothing about how the mass came to have that force in the first place.

I don't remember my train of thought when I posted that. It was probably for a good reason, however, as I am an intelligent person.

Well then your reasoning doesn't stack up.

You've agreed that although you could restack your coordinate system so that the earth is accelerating sideways, giving the appearance of a gravitational effect, it's not actually what's happening, as proven when a few more people row out and join in the fun.

But you cannot extend this simple premise to larger masses accelerating in much the same way. Hmm.

Why does Dark Energy have to be the only force causing them to accelerate?
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2008, 02:13:00 AM »
So they are accelerating?

What's causing this acceleration?

If it isn't Dark Energy, it must be one of the other four fundamental interactions.
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2008, 04:17:51 AM »
The usual corpse trundled out by FE'ers is that the planes are travelling up at the same speed.

Looks like somebody doesn't understand the difference between speed/velocity and acceleration. Hence, relatively speaking, there is no "falling".

The plane is accelerating up at the same speed as the earth.

As proof of this, take a row boat, get your friend to row as fast as he can and then you throw a ball up into the air. It will come back to you even though the boat has moved on. Why? Perhaps the ball is given dark energy.

Which just emphasizes your confusion over speed/velocity and acceleration.

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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2008, 04:19:57 AM »
Wasn't there some contention as to whether gravitation did actually exist for celestial bodies?
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2008, 04:44:23 AM »
But yes, upward acceleration is part of said nonsense, not speed.

Which is why your little exercise with the boat is completely irrelevant.

If you are in a boat and it is moving at a constant speed then the ball will come back down in the boat (ignoring wind).

If the boat is accelerating it won't, it will land behind the boat.

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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2008, 05:24:58 AM »
But yes, upward acceleration is part of said nonsense, not speed.

Which is why your little exercise with the boat is completely irrelevant.

If you are in a boat and it is moving at a constant speed then the ball will come back down in the boat (ignoring wind).

If the boat is accelerating it won't, it will land behind the boat.

Congratulations, you are smarter than Dr. Rowbotham (it was his experiment).

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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2008, 05:35:08 AM »
But yes, upward acceleration is part of said nonsense, not speed.

Which is why your little exercise with the boat is completely irrelevant.

If you are in a boat and it is moving at a constant speed then the ball will come back down in the boat (ignoring wind).

If the boat is accelerating it won't, it will land behind the boat.

Congratulations, you are smarter than Dr. Rowbotham (it was his experiment).

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23177.0

That's not hard, Rowbotham was an idiot. Still doesn't change the fact that the earth is flat.

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Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2008, 05:37:29 AM »
That's not hard, Rowbotham was an idiot. Still doesn't change the fact that the earth is flat.


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