Ok...a few questions

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Wrath

Ok...a few questions
« on: September 08, 2008, 11:23:12 AM »
First off, although I have sat through here and laughed at the majority of these topics and their absurdity (yes, I AM a biased RE'er, i'll throw that out there, as it seems that a lot of people who post here with questions are told to open their minds, I dont' see the FE'ers opening their minds do you? They are only defending their points and not "opening their minds" to RE beliefs, but whatever) It also appears that most questions on here from RE'ers remain unanswered, with the FE'ers unable to even prove their points wrong. They always say things such as
1. Lurk more (or moar)
2. tl;dr  --What the hell? What kind of person are you if you're unwilling to even defend your point by not taking the time to read the argument? Pretty much just shows that you either A) Don't know how to refute the argument they presented, or B)Lazy. And if that's the case, what are you doing here?
3. Read the FAQ. Already did, answers absolutely 0 questions as it's all based on speculation. As for all the calculations and mathematics that you people have made, that's all fine and dandy, but until it becomes APPLIED mathematics, that is, actually proof that all that stuff even exists and the math is correct, it's just pure plain old speculation.
4. A nonsense comment, I have seen many of those.

I cite this topic as a topic where none, count them, 0 FE'ers were even capable of refuting the  topc creator's post. Always sidestepping, always sidestepping. It's actually quite humorous.

So anyway, My first question is this...if this so called "ice wall" is real, then why don't one of you go get some pictures of it and prove it to me? Honestly, you all say that the pictures that organizations like NASA, the Russian space agency, and the Chinese, and the others who have taken pictured from space, are faked. If that's true, then why haven't a single one of you presented a photo of this "ice wall?" Yes, it's supposedly guarded (although I have seen FE'ers on here who beleive it is not), but even if it IS guarded, why don't you take a picture of it from either a plane, or take a photo from a boat. That does NOT require getting up close and personal with these guards, and they would not even see you. So, I'm waiting. Or does NASA have guys down there to prevent that too? Hah. Who knows, but until I have solid proof of this, then what's the point? And what aboout those people who walk across Antarctica for those world records? ie: The people who try to walk all the way across the South pole to try and be the youngest person to do. Those things are verfied by Guiness world records, are you trying to tell me they're in on the conspiracy too?

Also, I read in another topic, where Osama bin Laden posted that any helicopter/plane that would fly in to take pictures would be shot down by missles? Wtf? Did it not occur to you that not only would the families of these people go searching for them (and undoubtedly get shot down too) but also, that whoever the plane was registered to would not go looking for it after it disappeared?  I have also seen people posting pictures of the ice wall that is either drawn using CAD, or PS, or some other image editor, and calling that proof. What the hell? Makes no sense.

Anyway, I don't care if I'm banned or whatnot, just thought I'd let you know how I feel.

*commence posts that will pathetically fail, as always, at trying to defend FE points*

If you people can't provide proof, then don't try and defend. "THE ICE WALL IS GUARDED SO I KANT GET CLOSE TO TAKE ZEE PIX." That just proves that it's all based in your head.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2008, 02:20:15 PM by Wrath »

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 11:42:06 AM »
tl; dr








 ;D
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 11:43:49 AM »
Agreed.

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Wrath

Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 02:15:39 PM »
tl; dr








 ;D
I'll wait for the post-prepubescent kids to get here.

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 02:16:05 PM »
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 02:39:22 PM »
1. Hi
2. Post questions concisely if you want anything other than "tl;dr"
3. Please please please no walls of text, just keep it punchy and bring in more questions as the discussion goes on, or start another thread per question
4. Have fun and try not to get too pissy with people - you'll anger the locals

Enjoy!
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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 02:41:15 PM »
Still waiting eh?
Too start some conversation...  8)
Well, How about that weather?
And i heard they landed on the moo...Oh...Yea...That.;)

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 07:45:12 PM »
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 09:14:39 PM »
but even if it IS guarded, why don't you take a picture of it from either a plane, or take a photo from a boat. That does NOT require getting up close and personal with these guards, and they would not even see you.
The ice wall is not guarded by only men. It is guarded by some relatively cheap SAM and SSM sites, circling the ice wall. They are cheaper to maintain than men and have longer firing range. The boats and planes stand no chance.

And you ignored the conspiracy intelligence agencies. You're probably dead before you even get to your boat/plane.

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2008, 08:07:45 AM »
Also, isn't there pics of the Ice Wall on this site that have been posted by some of the FEers? Perhaps if you use the search function, you could find them.

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2008, 01:23:19 PM »
Also, isn't there pics of the Ice Wall on this site that have been posted by some of the FEers? Perhaps if you use the search function, you could find them.

I'm going to do exactly what an FEr would do if they were an REr.

They are fake.  ::)
We told you to go to rehab, but you were all like "no, no, no!" ::)

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Dr Matrix

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2008, 01:57:20 AM »

So anyway, My first question is this...if this so called "ice wall" is real, then why don't one of you go get some pictures of it and prove it to me? ...[extraneous information]...That does NOT require getting up close and personal with these guards, and they would not even see you.
1. The conspiracy could have a well developed intelligence agency to stop expeditions aiming to travel beyond the known ice region
2. Ever heard of RADAR? Planes and boats could be easily spotted thousands of miles away.  This has been possible with a great deal of accuracy since WW2.
3. If you're going to argue against FET, you're going to need more than the 'there's no proof' argument - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The people who try to walk all the way across the South pole to try and be the youngest person to do. Those things are verfied by Guiness world records, are you trying to tell me they're in on the conspiracy too?

I'll let an FE'er handle this one...

Also, I read in another topic, where Osama bin Laden posted that any helicopter/plane that would fly in to take pictures would be shot down by missles? Wtf? Did it not occur to you that not only would the families of these people go searching for them (and undoubtedly get shot down too) but also, that whoever the plane was registered to would not go looking for it after it disappeared?

Antarctica is a dangerous place - there is a reason commercial jets don't fly that way (even in an RE model) and that is that rescue would be nearly impossible in the event of an accident.  Anyone heading down that way would have the risks made very clear to them - if they didn't come back then, well, they were warned, weren't they?

I have also seen people posting pictures of the ice wall that is either drawn using CAD, or PS, or some other image editor, and calling that proof. What the hell? Makes no sense.

How do you know satellite imagery isn't fake? Very convincing images and video of fictitious planets and space ships make it into sci-fi movies, you shouldn't just accept it at face value if you are arguing about a conspiracy.

Anyway, I don't care if I'm banned or whatnot, just thought I'd let you know how I feel.

You won't be banned for asking questions, but you could be banned for trolling, spamming and being offensive to people. Keep it clean and I'm sure you'll be allowed to stay by the mods.

*commence posts that will pathetically fail, as always, at trying to defend FE points*

If you people can't provide proof, then don't try and defend. "THE ICE WALL IS GUARDED SO I KANT GET CLOSE TO TAKE ZEE PIX." That just proves that it's all based in your head.

No it doesn't prove anything - remember: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is why science can't 'disprove' God and similar ill-conceived arguments.
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2008, 08:33:22 AM »
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. It's that simple.

Just to clarify:
  • The FET is actually not a joke.
  • There is a global conspiracy against the realisation that the earth is flat.
  • There is no reason that anyone could benefit from such a conspiracy.
  • Every government is involved in the conspiracy including secret agencies.
  • Despite being the largest conspiracy ever, there has never been a leak.
  • There is a (presumably) very large wall of ice around this flat earth.
  • No one has a picture of said wall of ice.
  • Anyone can visit the south and north poles and check the places out.
  • No one knows what's underneath the flat earth but it could be rock and other stuff.
  • People have gone into space and taken many pictures.
  • Anyone with half a billion dollars can go into space. (My cousin is Mark Shuttleworth's accountant and best friend)
  • Although we can observe other planets, earth is special and isn't similar in appearance.
  • Grown men believe in the FET.
  • Not a single great mind has ever proposed a flat earth.
  • The optical illusion of very large circular shapes appearing flat on close observation at a single point is a lie.
  • There is evidence for a round earth.
  • There is no evidence for a flat earth.
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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2008, 09:33:10 AM »
If there is a conspiracy to hide the earth being flat, how does anybody even know about it?
Listening to the FE'ers try to disprove this is like watching a train derailment in slow motion...

(I have no theory, my life is now dedicated to the destruction of the FET)

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2008, 09:34:37 AM »
Quote from: FAQ
Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2008, 11:15:51 AM »
Quote from: FAQ
Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

This is a joke right?

That completely avoids the issue of why anyone would think that the earth is flat and uses a false claim as a premise in answering the actual question.
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2008, 11:21:25 AM »
Quote from: FAQ
Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

This is a joke right?

That completely avoids the issue of why anyone would think that the earth is flat and uses a false claim as a premise in answering the actual question.

No, it actually answers the question asked concisely.  You should read the rest of the FAQ too.  ::)
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2008, 12:32:36 PM »
Quote from: FAQ
Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

This is a joke right?

That completely avoids the issue of why anyone would think that the earth is flat and uses a false claim as a premise in answering the actual question.

No, it actually answers the question asked concisely.  You should read the rest of the FAQ too.  ::)

No it doesn't. How can an answer rely on a premise that is entirely fabricated and unsupported scientifically or logically? Are you referring to this:
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Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"

A:  Well, it looks that way up close.  Also, Samuel Rowbotham et al. performed a variety of experiments over a period of several years that show it must be flat.  They are all explained in his book, which is linked at the top of this article.
Well that just explains everything! Einstein and Newton can't hold a candle to Samuel Rowbotham. It's just a pity we can't publish Rowbotham's pseudo-scientific experiments in a science journal to rock the international scientific community.

Honestly, I don't believe anyone actually believes this crap. The unintelligent American bible-belt can't comprise an entire forum which leads me to the obvious conclusion that you guys exist to take the Mickey. Maybe you're a bunch of professors out to have a laugh. Regardless, I'm going to cause permanent harm to my perception of human intelligence if I don't get the hell off this site. I'm used to arguing against the existence of a god but this is a whole new level.
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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2008, 05:54:30 PM »
Quote from: FAQ
Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

This is a joke right?

That completely avoids the issue of why anyone would think that the earth is flat and uses a false claim as a premise in answering the actual question.

No, it actually answers the question asked concisely.  You should read the rest of the FAQ too.  ::)

No it doesn't. How can an answer rely on a premise that is entirely fabricated and unsupported scientifically or logically?

It poses a question, and answers that question accurately and briefly.  It doesn't get much more concise.

Why do you think there's a conspiracy?  Because the earth is flat.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Ok...a few questions
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2008, 06:22:54 AM »
So anyway, My first question is this...if this so called "ice wall" is real, then why don't one of you go get some pictures of it and prove it to me?

I have also seen people posting pictures of the ice wall that is either drawn using CAD, or PS, or some other image editor, and calling that proof.

So first you ask people to post pictures of the ice wall... then you admit people have already posted pictures of the ice wall... then you claim the pictures of the ice wall that have been posted were faked.

What exactly was the point of your post?