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Explain this Picture
« on: September 08, 2008, 03:15:48 PM »
Below is a picture I took on my recent trip to Europe. I see a curve, and unless the "ice wall" is in the middle of Northern Canada, then I don't see how this picture could make any sense unless the Earth is round. I made a straight line across the horizon so that you can compare it with the curve. Notice how the curve is easier to see the farther you are from your screen. This is why the Earth looks flat from up close (when you are standing on it).

Here is the picture:
 
« Last Edit: September 08, 2008, 03:36:25 PM by GoodPoint »

Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 03:17:03 PM »
The camera lens is causing a fisheye effect.

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 03:25:28 PM »
The camera lens is causing a fisheye effect.
Did my own eyes make this same effect? The whole reason I took the picture was because I noticed that I could see the curvature of the earth.

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 03:29:56 PM »
There certainly is a "curve", but that image is quite frankly innappropriate. This is a family friendly site. Take your smut elsewhere.

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 03:33:34 PM »
Guys, please stop trolling in the serious forums.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 03:35:37 PM »
The camera lens is causing a fisheye effect.
This person saw the right picture. If you are seeing anything else besides the Earth from an Airplane, you are not looking at the right picture.

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 03:37:38 PM »
Calm down, GoodPoint, they're just playing with you.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 03:39:00 PM »
Guys, please stop trolling in the serious forums.

Thank you. I changed it to an [IMG] code so that people will not have to be lazy and assume that it is a picture of anything other than a round earth seen from an airplane. So, again, who can explain it.

Anyone?

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 03:40:33 PM »
DrainCoverLover already did.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 03:46:55 PM »
DrainCoverLover already did.

And I made a counter-argument, which was ignored.

Ok, since you don't trust my eyes, here is another picture:



This time, the horizon goes through the middle of the frame (and a little below), which means that if the fish-eye theory were true, it should appear straight (or perhaps slightly concave), yet I still see a convex curve. Please explain.
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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2008, 03:54:23 PM »
DrainCoverLover already did.

And I made a counter-argument, which was ignored.

Ok, since you don't trust my eyes, here is another picture:



This time, the horizon goes through the middle of the frame (and a little below), which means that if the fish-eye theory were true, it should appear straight (or perhaps slightly concave), yet I still see a convex curve. Please explain.

It looks flat to me, but honestly the horizon line seems too indistinct to draw any real conclusions from it.  In both pictures.  Is it possible you only thought you could see the curvature because you thought you should have been able to?  At what height were these pictures taken?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 03:59:03 PM »
DrainCoverLover already did.

And I made a counter-argument, which was ignored.

Ok, since you don't trust my eyes, here is another picture:



This time, the horizon goes through the middle of the frame (and a little below), which means that if the fish-eye theory were true, it should appear straight (or perhaps slightly concave), yet I still see a convex curve. Please explain.

It looks flat to me, but honestly the horizon line seems too indistinct to draw any real conclusions from it.  In both pictures.  Is it possible you only thought you could see the curvature because you thought you should have been able to?  At what height were these pictures taken?
Is it possible I imagined it? Yes. But then why did you believe that the "fish-eye effect" argument was true? DrainCoverLover must have seen the curve to even bring up that argument.

As for the height, I have no idea. I was half asleep and just happened to look over and see this view.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2008, 04:00:42 PM by GoodPoint »

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2008, 04:05:28 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2008, 04:12:09 PM »
It looks flat to me
Eh...whatever.
If you're just going to deny what is in the picture, then there is no point for me to be here.

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 04:29:54 PM »
Well I'm glad to see you had the decency to link to an appropriate image after that smut fiasco.

As to this image, it really is flat looking. I'm not saying this for one side of the debate or the other, i just think it looks flat.

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2008, 07:58:26 PM »
These images provide great evidence for the curvature of light rays.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 03:03:43 PM »

This time, the horizon goes through the middle of the frame (and a little below), which means that if the fish-eye theory were true, it should appear straight (or perhaps slightly concave), yet I still see a convex curve. Please explain.

The horizon IS straight in this picture. I just drew a line using MS Paint and it clearly matches the horizon. So by your own admission the fisheye theory must be true.



I think you're seeing what you want to see. Clearly I haven't modified your picture except the resolution maybe, and the line is a simple drag and drop deal.

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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 06:21:07 PM »
These images provide great evidence for the curvature of light rays.

This quote proves that stupid people make up stuff to fit their version of the world instead of trying to understand the world.


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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 06:24:57 PM »
These images provide great evidence for the curvature of light rays.
This quote proves that stupid people make up stuff to fit their version of the world instead of trying to understand the world.
I know. RET has some nerve, doesn't it?

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 06:41:29 PM »
These images provide great evidence for the curvature of light rays.
This quote proves that stupid people make up stuff to fit their version of the world instead of trying to understand the world.
I know. RET has some nerve, doesn't it?

No more than FE apparently.

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2008, 10:07:49 PM »
These images provide great evidence for the curvature of light rays.
This quote proves that stupid people make up stuff to fit their version of the world instead of trying to understand the world.
I know. RET has some nerve, doesn't it?

I wasn't referring to either RET or FET in this case actually... the pictures aren't high enough quality to provide evidence of anything at all really.

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2008, 12:06:58 AM »
Ok Im going to yell a little here so that everyone can hear me.



YOU CANNOT SEE THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH FROM A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER.  CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T.  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.   If you think you see a curve it is most likely because the window is causing it.  Either from the fuselage of the airplane being curved or the window itself for whatever reason.  End of story.

I have got more flight time at altitude than anyone on this board.  I guarantee it.

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2008, 06:50:51 AM »
Since, the delusional ones control reality the most, I will test their abilities in redefining flat with better pictures:
These are college students having fun like most people on this site. Not NASA.
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/nova1selected/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_balloon
I also recommend
http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2008, 02:32:57 PM »
Ok Im going to yell a little here so that everyone can hear me.

YOU CANNOT SEE THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH FROM A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER.  CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T.  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.   If you think you see a curve it is most likely because the window is causing it.  Either from the fuselage of the airplane being curved or the window itself for whatever reason.  End of story.

I have got more flight time at altitude than anyone on this board.  I guarantee it.

Ahah!! I knew it! We just needed an RE backer to admit that cameras cannot be trusted.

This thread can be closed now.

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2008, 05:09:16 PM »
Since, the delusional ones control reality the most, I will test their abilities in redefining flat with better pictures:
These are college students having fun like most people on this site. Not NASA.
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/nova1selected/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_balloon
I also recommend
http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/



At that altitude the dirigible is looking down at the sun's distinct circular spotlight shining upon the earth.

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2008, 07:47:41 PM »
Since, the delusional ones control reality the most, I will test their abilities in redefining flat with better pictures:
These are college students having fun like most people on this site. Not NASA.
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cuspaceflight/nova1selected/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_balloon
I also recommend
http://www.natrium42.com/halo/flight2/



At that altitude the dirigible is looking down at the sun's distinct circular spotlight shining upon the earth.

Then why do we not see the day/night terminator?
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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2008, 07:55:15 PM »
That definitely doesn't look like the big cereal bowl that we were led to believe we would see from a balloon launched into the atmosphere...

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2008, 08:04:45 PM »
That's what happens when you talk out your arse.

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Re: Explain this Picture
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2008, 01:57:17 AM »
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Then why do we not see the day/night terminator?

Because the day/night terminator in FE is rounded.

At that kind of altitude we're looking down at the distinct circular spotlight of the sun's light.

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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2008, 08:03:46 AM »
Because the day/night terminator in FE is rounded.

At that kind of altitude we're looking down at the distinct circular spotlight of the sun's light.

But all of the shadows created by the cloud tops are going the same direction.  If we were looking at a significant portion of the "spotlight" you would see some variance in the direction of the shadows.