Do you know how gravity even works?

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Do you know how gravity even works?
« on: September 06, 2008, 02:59:42 PM »
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Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A:  This argument is a non sequitur.  You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?"  Snakes are not dogs or cats.  The Earth is not a star or the moon.  It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

I could've sworn gravity works from space curvature, and space curvature is caused by an mass in space. If the Earth is in fact a plane of existence we live on then it would constitute mass. So why does it not cause space to curve?

Look up general relativity and how it's been proven.

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Sir_Drainsalot

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2008, 03:04:48 PM »
Gravity doesnt exist. If you had "looked up GR" then you would have known that.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2008, 03:05:44 PM »
Gravity doesnt exist. If you had "looked up GR" then you would have known that.

Then update your horrible FAQ instead of screaming "READ THE FAQ!".

According to your FAQ it does in fact, EXIST!



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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2008, 03:06:40 PM »
Gravitation, not gravity.
I vote for SecretUser as supreme overlord of TFES.

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Sir_Drainsalot

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 03:06:54 PM »
According to your FAQ it does in fact, EXIST!

Where does it say this?

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 03:07:32 PM »
I could've sworn gravity works from space curvature, and space curvature is caused by an mass in space. If the Earth is in fact a plane of existence we live on then it would constitute mass. So why does it not cause space to curve?

Look up general relativity and how it's been proven.
And Fëanor was the most gifted jeweller of all the Elves...look up The Silmarillion and how it's been proven. ::)

It's clear that you don't even know how your own fictitious force works.

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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 03:08:51 PM »
Gravitation, not gravity.

Simple semantics. Either add to the discussion or don't reply at all. Gravitation = the effects of gravity. So how does the effects of gravity exist without gravity?

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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2008, 03:09:49 PM »
I could've sworn gravity works from space curvature, and space curvature is caused by an mass in space. If the Earth is in fact a plane of existence we live on then it would constitute mass. So why does it not cause space to curve?

Look up general relativity and how it's been proven.
And Fëanor was the most gifted jeweller of all the Elves...look up The Silmarillion and how it's been proven. ::)

It's clear that you don't even know how your own fictitious force works.

Sadly, this argument wouldn't work at all because I could say the same thing about your FAQ. Stop adding to your post count and contribute.

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Sir_Drainsalot

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2008, 03:11:26 PM »
Simple semantics.

No.


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Gravitation = the effects of gravity

Really, no.

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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2008, 03:15:33 PM »
Simple semantics.

No.


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Gravitation = the effects of gravity

Really, no.


Really, yes. Where's this going?

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Sir_Drainsalot

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2008, 03:16:04 PM »
Really, yes. Where's this going?

Towards the fact that gravity doesnt exist.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2008, 04:01:56 PM »
Read the Gravity sticky please.
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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2008, 10:28:38 AM »
Read the Gravity sticky please.

Ok, now that we're done with technicalities why doesn't FE create space curvature?

Oh and for Oscar Wild's post about Einstein's work being fiction why can't your quote in the gravity sticky be fiction?

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2008, 10:35:37 AM »
The composition of FE is probably not one or more of the main sources of a gravitational field.

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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2008, 10:45:19 AM »
The composition of FE is probably not one or more of the main sources of a gravitational field.

And what would the "other" main sources of a gravitational field be?

As I recall Stanford detected space-time curvature (http://einstein.stanford.edu/ have fun), unless, oh my dear god, all the universities in the world could be in on it too? Wouldn't that make our dear conspiracy theory sticky defunct? Because there's a lot more people involved now too.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2008, 10:54:50 AM »
And what would the "other" main sources of a gravitational field be?
Energy, momentum, and stress-tensor.

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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2008, 11:01:12 AM »
And what would the "other" main sources of a gravitational field be?
Energy, momentum, and stress-tensor.

E=MC^2 we have energy and how do we not have momentum if we are supposedly accelerating upwards buddy? Again last time I checked, in another one of these threads also, FE has an electromagnetic field(here http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=23019.0).

Also, don't ignore the other half of my post.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2008, 11:56:18 AM »
Ok, now that we're done with technicalities why doesn't FE create space curvature?
Perhaps there is an interaction of the DE and the underlying structure of the Earth which neutralizes the curvature.


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o0mofo0o

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2008, 12:00:17 PM »
Ok, now that we're done with technicalities why doesn't FE create space curvature?
Perhaps there is an interaction of the DE and the underlying structure of the Earth which neutralizes the curvature.

What about the curve probe then? Why does the data show a curve?

If DE is in fact the UA then wouldn't it do the same to all planets and such?

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2008, 12:02:27 PM »
According to your FAQ it does in fact, EXIST!

Where does it say this?
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Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A:  This argument is a non sequitur.  You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?"  Snakes are not dogs or cats.  The Earth is not a star or the moon.  It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.
Although the FAQ states that gravity doesn't exists on Earth, it say's that Gravity exists on other planets, stars, and moons.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2008, 12:05:02 PM »
What about the curve probe then? Why does the data show a curve?
The funding of the project is about to be canceled.  Hmm...just before they are done with the data analysis, too.  Sounds like the conspiracy doesn't want them to finish...


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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2008, 12:10:42 PM »
According to your FAQ it does in fact, EXIST!

Where does it say this?
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Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A:  This argument is a non sequitur.  You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?"  Snakes are not dogs or cats.  The Earth is not a star or the moon.  It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.
Although the FAQ states that gravity doesn't exists on Earth, it say's that Gravity exists on other planets, stars, and moons.

Read the whole thing before you post.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2008, 12:12:23 PM »
What about the curve probe then? Why does the data show a curve?
The funding of the project is about to be canceled.  Hmm...just before they are done with the data analysis, too.  Sounds like the conspiracy doesn't want them to finish...

It doesn't matter, they still have enough data to prove space curvature.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2008, 12:12:42 PM »
What about the curve probe then? Why does the data show a curve?
The funding of the project is about to be canceled.  Hmm...just before they are done with the data analysis, too.  Sounds like the conspiracy doesn't want them to finish...

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2008, 12:48:43 PM »
Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn!!! The conspiracy strikes again

Wouldn't the burden of proof be on someone to explain the theory that the funding was cut on account of a global conspiracy? Occam's razor would state that the lack of funding would be caused by the simplest and most common explanation... politics as usual. Someone else wants government funding for their project, funding has been cut, project leaders are wrangling with one another... etc. These things crop up anytime large sums of money are spent.

To say that zomg the governments must be cutting the funding on account of a conspiracy that only a fringe minority believes in, and then to say that the burden of proof is on everyone else to discount that conspiracy, works contrary to the standard operation of logical discourse.

For once, would you please show us proof of the conspiracy instead of simply replying with the challenge: "show us proof of your theory"? It's impossible to prove your theory in this manner. Every time someone attempts to explain Round earth, it's simply met with an upturned nose and a point to the FAQ, or a self-satisfied claim that the proof provided is simply erroneous and part of the conspiracy.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2008, 12:51:54 PM »
For once, would you please show us proof of the conspiracy

What about the curve probe then? Why does the data show a curve?
The funding of the project is about to be canceled.  Hmm...just before they are done with the data analysis, too.  Sounds like the conspiracy doesn't want them to finish...

Pretty good proof right there.


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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2008, 02:03:22 PM »
For once, would you please show us proof of the conspiracy

What about the curve probe then? Why does the data show a curve?
The funding of the project is about to be canceled.  Hmm...just before they are done with the data analysis, too.  Sounds like the conspiracy doesn't want them to finish...

Pretty good proof right there.

Read the article, it says "new info" implying that info on a space curvature has already been reached.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2008, 02:46:58 PM »
Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn!!! The conspiracy strikes again

Wouldn't the burden of proof be on someone to explain the theory that the funding was cut on account of a global conspiracy? Occam's razor would state that the lack of funding would be caused by the simplest and most common explanation... politics as usual. Someone else wants government funding for their project, funding has been cut, project leaders are wrangling with one another... etc. These things crop up anytime large sums of money are spent.

To say that zomg the governments must be cutting the funding on account of a conspiracy that only a fringe minority believes in, and then to say that the burden of proof is on everyone else to discount that conspiracy, works contrary to the standard operation of logical discourse.

For once, would you please show us proof of the conspiracy instead of simply replying with the challenge: "show us proof of your theory"? It's impossible to prove your theory in this manner. Every time someone attempts to explain Round earth, it's simply met with an upturned nose and a point to the FAQ, or a self-satisfied claim that the proof provided is simply erroneous and part of the conspiracy.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2008, 04:23:10 PM »
i agree with professor stinkwrinkle.
If you say that your theory is contradictory to hundereds of years of science... then im sorry but you've got some 'splaining to do. If i was saying that mickey mouse assasinated JFK, wouldn't i have to explian myself. I mean, if you FE-ers weren't some internet-based FAQ-worshiping people that are made up of only a few members that actually know aht they are talking about then i may see it fit for us RE-ers to prove our stuff.
We do anyways, but thats not the point. Stop hiding behind a FAQ, the reason for this forum is to debate and discuss... not to say: "Stop asking that question N00b! Lurk Moar!! FAQ!!"
im here for some answers, not to hear people say that i have some 'splaining to do... because i dont. You do.

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Re: Do you know how gravity even works?
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2008, 04:33:45 PM »
If i was saying that mickey mouse assasinated JFK, wouldn't i have to explian myself.

Only if you were attempting to convince someone else.  The FES is not out recruiting converts.  You came here, remember?