The way your water goes down your sink.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2008, 04:49:44 PM »
God, you people are dense. That water goes a certain direction down a toilet differently in different hemispheres because of the Coriolis Effect is a myth. This can be confirmed on many, many websites.

herein lies the flaw. websites=scientists amirite?

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2008, 05:52:59 PM »
Gravitation from the rotating stars tugs on weather systems and such, causing the rotation. This has been explained many times before.
Your toilet is too small to show coriolis at work. The way your toilet spins has to do more with the  the way the water flows down when you flush it.

Your example applies better to weather systems.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2008, 06:00:04 PM »
Gravitation from the rotating stars tugs on weather systems and such, causing the rotation. This has been explained many times before.

Do you have any sort of weather back ground?

I do and you are very very wrong.

Why is it you can have a low pressure system spinning one way and a high pressure next to it going the other.

Oh… oh here is a better one!!!
Hurricanes (north hemisphere) spin in two directions. In the low levels, I can’t remember up to what height but I think its around 20,000 feet spin counterclockwise. Above this low pressure there is an upper level high pressure that spins clockwise. These two pressure systems are stacked on top of each other, and been have observed by hurricane hunters. This is also easily explained…

Stars tugging on the weather... that's so stupid.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2008, 06:13:34 PM »
herein lies the flaw. websites=scientists amirite?

What? Look it up.
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2008, 07:51:46 PM »
Explain the rotation of counter clockwise AND clockwise movement then? or do the stars magically change direction depending on who is flushing?

This is exactly the problem with the RE proponents. We need to save this thread for posterity to show the fallacy of RE thinking.

Everyone has been told so many times that toilets swirl depending on the hemisphere that they take this as gospel. Even when reputable scientists disagree, they don't know about it. If you're wrong about the toilets, maybe you're just taking everything else for granted too?

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2008, 08:19:32 PM »
Explain the rotation of counter clockwise AND clockwise movement then? or do the stars magically change direction depending on who is flushing?

This is exactly the problem with the RE proponents. We need to save this thread for posterity to show the fallacy of RE thinking.

Everyone has been told so many times that toilets swirl depending on the hemisphere that they take this as gospel. Even when reputable scientists disagree, they don't know about it. If you're wrong about the toilets, maybe you're just taking everything else for granted too?

Umm... I am RE and i do not agree with this guy (read my post above). Sinks, toilets... are to small, answer the same question with weather systems.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2008, 09:12:22 PM »
Weather is a much better example.  Toilets flush the way they're designed to.  I live in the Norther Hemisphere, and I have a toilet that flushes clockwise, the opposite direction that it should be going.  Toilets spin by design.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2008, 09:50:53 PM »
Can someone explain why when you flush your toilet in the likes of Australia it goes down the opposite way to that of the UK.  RE have an explanation, FE'ers?  If you post things with no reference you are just posting defeat, please a discussion would nice.



although maybe the leafs are tampered with? haha.
Water in your toilet does not spin according to the Coriolis effect. That is a myth. It actually spins due to the shape of your toilet bowel, direction of the water coming in.

If a toilet bowel full of water was effected that much, imagine what the oceans would look like.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2008, 09:57:49 PM »
Noobs are idiots.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2008, 02:05:27 AM »
Gravitation from the rotating stars tugs on weather systems and such, causing the rotation. This has been explained many times before.
Your toilet is too small to show coriolis at work. The way your toilet spins has to do more with the  the way the water flows down when you flush it.

Your example applies better to weather systems.

I am aware of this. If you can point out where I mentioned toilets in that post, I will declare my full support for RET.

Do you have any sort of weather back ground?

I do and you are very very wrong.

Why is it you can have a low pressure system spinning one way and a high pressure next to it going the other.

Oh… oh here is a better one!!!
Hurricanes (north hemisphere) spin in two directions. In the low levels, I can’t remember up to what height but I think its around 20,000 feet spin counterclockwise. Above this low pressure there is an upper level high pressure that spins clockwise. These two pressure systems are stacked on top of each other, and been have observed by hurricane hunters. This is also easily explained…

Stars tugging on the weather... that's so stupid.

It depends on whether the air is moving in or out of the weather systems. In the northern hemiplane, when it is moving inwards, the stars are tugging the air further south to the west more strongly than they are in the north, and therefore as it moves inwards it begins to spin in a counter-clockwise direction. Likewise, when it is moving outwards, the gravitational tug becomes stronger to the south, so as it moves outwards it begins to spin in a clockwise direction.
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2008, 02:33:44 AM »
Gravitation from the rotating stars tugs on weather systems and such, causing the rotation. This has been explained many times before.
Your toilet is too small to show coriolis at work. The way your toilet spins has to do more with the  the way the water flows down when you flush it.

Your example applies better to weather systems.

I am aware of this. If you can point out where I mentioned toilets in that post, I will declare my full support for RET.

Do you have any sort of weather back ground?

I do and you are very very wrong.

Why is it you can have a low pressure system spinning one way and a high pressure next to it going the other.

Oh… oh here is a better one!!!
Hurricanes (north hemisphere) spin in two directions. In the low levels, I can’t remember up to what height but I think its around 20,000 feet spin counterclockwise. Above this low pressure there is an upper level high pressure that spins clockwise. These two pressure systems are stacked on top of each other, and been have observed by hurricane hunters. This is also easily explained…

Stars tugging on the weather... that's so stupid.

It depends on whether the air is moving in or out of the weather systems. In the northern hemiplane, when it is moving inwards, the stars are tugging the air further south to the west more strongly than they are in the north, and therefore as it moves inwards it begins to spin in a counter-clockwise direction. Likewise, when it is moving outwards, the gravitational tug becomes stronger to the south, so as it moves outwards it begins to spin in a clockwise direction.

Ok… slow down here.

Please explain this better because it makes no sense at all.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2008, 02:38:13 AM »
Okay. Take four cases, case A is air moving into a weather system from the north, case B is air moving in from the south, case C is air moving out to the north, and case D is air moving out to the south. This is all for the northern hemiplane; it would be the reverse in the south.

Case A

There is a slight gravitational tug to the west that increases as the air moves south into the weather system. Because of this increasing pull, it moves westward, contributing counterclockwise angular momentum to the system.

Case B

Air in equilibrium with a strong gravitational tug to the west begins moving north, and as the gravitational pull weakens it moves to the east, contributing counterclockwise angular momentum to the system.

Case C

Air begins moving to the north, where the westward gravitation is weaker. Therefore, it begins moving to the east and contributes clockwise angular momentum to the system.

Case D

As the air moves south, the gravitational tug to the west increases, and it moves west, contributing clockwise angular momentum to the system.
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2008, 02:45:47 AM »
Okay. Take four cases, case A is air moving into a weather system from the north, case B is air moving in from the south, case C is air moving out to the north, and case D is air moving out to the south. This is all for the northern hemiplane; it would be the reverse in the south.

Case A

There is a slight gravitational tug to the west that increases as the air moves south into the weather system. Because of this increasing pull, it moves westward, contributing counterclockwise angular momentum to the system.

Case B

Air in equilibrium with a strong gravitational tug to the west begins moving north, and as the gravitational pull weakens it moves to the east, contributing counterclockwise angular momentum to the system.

Case C

Air begins moving to the north, where the westward gravitation is weaker. Therefore, it begins moving to the east and contributes clockwise angular momentum to the system.

Case D

As the air moves south, the gravitational tug to the west increases, and it moves west, contributing clockwise angular momentum to the system.

I still don’t get it and here is why… I understand actual real weather systems, and when I think of what you are saying I am thinking of a big picture. I will draw a really basic large scale weather pattern with some smaller systems in it, then you can explain.

I hope this is ok with you.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2008, 03:11:47 AM »
   Here is a basic weather pattern we see over north America. 2 High pressure systems (air masses) one is cold core (north) one is warm (south).

In between is have like a valley where the low pressure is. The low forms when the upper level jet stream moves over this valley and provides exhaust in the upper levels which causes the low to deepen.



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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2008, 03:35:52 AM »
What exactly am I supposed to be explaining? ???
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2008, 03:46:48 AM »
What exactly am I supposed to be explaining? ???

that's what I am trying to figure out I don't get what you are saying. that's a basic weather pattern. I drew it super simple...

Draw me a low pressure (L) where the winds at the surface would in your words go inward (CC). and show me the relation to this and the stars on the drawing... it doesn't need to be scale just show me what you mean.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2008, 06:49:00 AM »
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2008, 09:10:26 AM »


Ok, I am sure you know that in RE coriolis has weather systems (NH, north of the tropics) all rotating from the USA to Europe in what's called a long wave pattern. As you funnel there are smaller features that are also rotating.

Like I said the winds go in a general direction of W to E, due to coriolis. what coriolis does is when particles fall from warm core high pressures down to lower denser cold core high pressure (S to N) coriolis pulls these particles E to creat this general W to E flow. this is much better seen in the upper lvls with the jet streams.

Which way do your stars rotate? can I get a depiction of this? seems like your explanation kind of explains low lvls synoptic scale systems (not well) but would fail in the macro scale weather systems.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2008, 10:10:01 AM »
Which way do your stars rotate? can I get a depiction of this? seems like your explanation kind of explains low lvls synoptic scale systems (not well) but would fail in the macro scale weather systems.

They rise in the East and set in the West, so they rotate counterclockwise about the North Celestial Pole. The reverse is true for the southern hemiplane.

Also, I can't say I can really picture what you're talking about with large scale weather systems; could you perhaps create a drawing?
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2008, 12:07:26 PM »
its so funny how these RE'rs will show us website after website trying to prove the earth is a globe, but we show them a couple that explain the toilet water directions a myth and they say they cant trust websites.
that my friends, is a win for FE!
Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2008, 12:17:28 PM »
that my friends, is a win for FE!

Is there any other kind of win?
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Re: The way your water goes down your sink.
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2008, 12:20:25 PM »
that my friends, is a win for FE!

Is there any other kind of win?
most definitely not.
Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.