Why Jesus & Not Others!?

I'm afraid so.

Why Jesus is considered a God in Christianity? starts listing me all of your reasons, maybe one of the reasons is valid and I would say: "Yeah, he deserves to be worshiped for that"
 

Yup in Islam Mohammed & Jesus are both messengers of God and both respected messengers have signs and proves from god they are messengers

“Worshiping Jesus” is an all or nothing thing, AbdulAziz.  You can’t call him a ‘prophet’ and ‘respected’ without accepting everything he says.  He himself gave indication he is God.*  He also said “I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.” 

So he is either God, and the ONLY way to the Father, meaning you have to denounce your belief in ‘Allah’ as God in order to accept Christ as God.  OR he is a liar (or crazy) and you have to denounce him as a ‘respected prophet’.

You’re going to have to choose, Abdul.


*I can provide scripture if you’re interested.  Trying to keep this short.

Quote from: dyno on September 11, 2008, 11:03:08 PM

The rest of us find the things we need from other people.

Or ourselves.

I don't believe anyone can exist in a social vacuum. This is what turns priests into sickos.
People need people.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on September 11, 2008, 11:26:06 PM

Quote from: dyno on September 11, 2008, 11:03:08 PM

The rest of us find the things we need from other people.

Or ourselves.

I don't believe anyone can exist in a social vacuum. This is what turns priests into sickos.
People need people.

Not true.

Quote from: AbdulAziz on September 04, 2008, 02:01:01 PM

Why Jesus is considered a God in Christianity? starts listing me all of your reasons, maybe one of the reasons is valid and I would say: "Yeah, he deserves to be worshiped for that"
 

Quote from: AbdulAziz on September 05, 2008, 03:33:03 AM

Yup in Islam Mohammed & Jesus are both messengers of God and both respected messengers have signs and proves from god they are messengers

“Worshiping Jesus” is an all or nothing thing, AbdulAziz.  You can’t call him a ‘prophet’ and ‘respected’ without accepting everything he says.  He himself gave indication he is God.*  He also said “I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.” 

So he is either God, and the ONLY way to the Father, meaning you have to denounce your belief in ‘Allah’ as God in order to accept Christ as God.  OR he is a liar (or crazy) and you have to denounce him as a ‘respected prophet’.

You’re going to have to choose, Abdul.


*I can provide scripture if you’re interested.  Trying to keep this short.

He's already said that man put those words in Jesus' mouth, I think.  If he's really Muslim, then it doesn't matter what it says in the Christian bible anyway.

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on September 11, 2008, 11:26:06 PM

Quote from: dyno on September 11, 2008, 11:03:08 PM

The rest of us find the things we need from other people.

Or ourselves.

I don't believe anyone can exist in a social vacuum. This is what turns priests into sickos.
People need people.

Don't you remember Robert Neville? He grew a big beard and became a (sane) hermit, but in the end people were the death of him.

Quote from: dyno on September 12, 2008, 07:21:28 AM

Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on September 11, 2008, 11:26:06 PM

Quote from: dyno on September 11, 2008, 11:03:08 PM

The rest of us find the things we need from other people.

Or ourselves.

I don't believe anyone can exist in a social vacuum. This is what turns priests into sickos.
People need people.

Don't you remember Robert Neville? He grew a big beard and became a (sane) hermit, but in the end people were the death of him.

I am Legend?......well a real life example would have been more appropriate.

He was a very realistic depiction of one of the better of the human race. How many real famous hermits are there?

“Worshiping Jesus” is an all or nothing thing, AbdulAziz.  You can’t call him a ‘prophet’ and ‘respected’ without accepting everything he says.  He himself gave indication he is God.*  He also said “I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.” 

So he is either God, and the ONLY way to the Father, meaning you have to denounce your belief in ‘Allah’ as God in order to accept Christ as God.  OR he is a liar (or crazy) and you have to denounce him as a ‘respected prophet’.

You’re going to have to choose, Abdul.


*I can provide scripture if you’re interested.  Trying to keep this short.

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I totally understand what your trying to say it's same thing here in Islam, we must believe everything said in the Quran otherwise its as if we are saying god lying. However we believe in the Quran because the Quran never contradicts itself and that's because the author is God. However in the Bible as the cowgirl said there are some of Jesus own words, there are some words of historians and god...etc thats why I can't believe in the Bible 100%

As for the scriptures thank you so much I have already the bible and went through it that's why I was asking why people believe Jesus is the god from the bible?

  If he's really Muslim, then it doesn't matter what it says in the Christian bible anyway.

Well that's not true n_n I mean if I am talking to a Christian and tell him Jesus is not god because the Quran says he was only a messenger of course he wouldn't believe it and he might counter me saying but my Bible is saying otherwise. So what I am trying to do here, is to prove from the Bible (The Christian's book) themselves that Jesus shouldn't be worshiped as almighty god   sadly many Christians don't read the bible, they only read few chapters and verses, why they are not reading their book from the first page to the last page to discover themselves?

I still ask people who said that the old testament was written by Moses, why in more than hundreds we find something like: "God said to Moses and Moses asked God, God told Moses while Moses did this and that." why he is not saying: "I asked God, and the God answered me" what's more interesting that when Moses died we read and Moses died and He (God) moved....etc Can a dead man do such a thing? if so then that's the greatest miracle of Moses 

If the koran was written by Allah it was pretty pretentious to do most of it in third person.

If the koran was written by Allah it was pretty pretentious to do most of it in third person.

I didn't get what you mean? but would you remove the IF because it's from Allah

And verily this Quran is a revelation from the Lord of all the worlds. The Spirit, faithful to the trust (Angel Gabrial), has descended with it. On thy heart, that thou mayest be a Warner (Prophet Mohammed)

Quoting a book as saying it is true does not make it true.

Quoting a book as saying it is true does not make it true.

Yeah I know that but I was describing what is the Quran when I quoted from our point of view

But why Quran is from God because no humans no one can come up with the book like the Quran. For 14 centuries humans could find many contradictions in major books such as Bible, Unipashad...etc but they all failed to find 1!!!!!!! only 1 contradiction in the Quran. Let them live 1000000 centuries and they will not find a contradiction.
Even if you believe it's not from God (Allah) then isn't it a shame that someone like Mohammed writing a book with no contradiction while the Bible which is considered from God have countless contradictions? Isn't it shame that Mohammed a human is correcting the mistakes of science in the Bible? honestly guys don't you feel shame, if my god (Allah) was defeated or there was someone above him or greater than him I wouldn't worship him. Luckily am Worshiping the creator not the creations 

30:26 says everything obeys Allah.

2:34 says Iblis disobeyed him.

30:26 says everything obeys Allah.

2:34 says Iblis disobeyed him.

ask the one who thought he could find contradiction in case if he can't answer I will save your time

In the first verse Allah is talking about the creations, that everything he has created and they are all below Allah and on the day of Judgment day would come obeying. That's why the Arabic word "Qanetoon" was used = قانتون

While the second verse is talking about the Satan (Iblis) when god told him to submit to Adam but he refused and disobeyed God. That's why the word "Istakbar" = استكبر was used

What other contradictions you think you can have? 

Jinn were spirits from a paganistic religion incorperated into Islam, they are a part of the heavens and earth in islam and thus should be obedient to allah.

Jinn were spirits from a paganistic religion incorperated into Islam, they are a part of the heavens and earth in islam and thus should be obedient to allah.

Jinn and Humans both are given the free will and that is exactly going as God will.

Athalus, you've wasted your time on lots of things, your even wasting your time trying to find contradiction that your grand grand grand grand son would fail to find, why not you waste your time and read the Quran from the first page to the last, even if you read 2 pages a day. If you can't get it in your country I think there are many sites that allows you to download it Humans are usually enemies of what they don't know ^_^

It doesn't matter, it is explicitly stated that "everything obeys Allah" and then the devil himself disobeys Allah. That is a direct contradiction, and no amount of interpretation will change that fact.

It doesn't matter, it is explicitly stated that "everything obeys Allah" and then the devil himself disobeys Allah. That is a direct contradiction, and no amount of interpretation will change that fact.

What are you talking about, Athalus never copied the verse he posted based on his understanding. What he did is exactly like saying this >>> Did Solomon have 40,000 stalls for his horses (1 Kings 4:26), or 4,000 stalls (2 Chronicles 9:25)?

The verse clearly in arabic says Qanetoon it means = they will all obey him standing on the day of judgment, they belong to Allah...etc they have no power but to be going as god wills they live they die, they live 10000 years they are still under god. Hara as I have recommended others I recommend you to read the Quran. God's words can never contradict but human's words can contradict and we are all aware of that

For example, we are all obedient to death, no matter what we do in the end we die wither we want or we don't want! while the second verse it means Allah ordered Satan to submit to Adam and he disobeyed god said that you created me from fire I am better. He had the choice but he have no choice in "Dying, day of judgment, being under god...etc" I don't know what exact word they use for this lol :$ sorry for my bad English after all my original language is Arabic which is the language of Quran

For 14 centuries greatest scholars couldn't find 1 signle contradiction in the Quran this has been admitted by many great scholars of Christianity not even one flaw. If you are interested in proving Quran wrong or contradiction that would be too great because try after another and third, 4th they will all be demolished "Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Verily, falsehood is bound to vanish." which will show the people around here that even "as you say" Mohammed who wrote the Book can write books without contradictions while other divine books can have countless contradictions.

Why Jesus is considered a God in Christianity? starts listing me all of your reasons, maybe one of the reasons is valid and I would say: "Yeah, he deserves to be worshiped for that"

I recommend atheists to save their time instead of wasting by reading and replying

1. It is believed that He is the Son of God.
2. It is believed that He delivered mankind from eternal death.
3. It is believed that He will judge us on the Judgement Day.

Why religion?

Why religion?

Because this is the Religion and Philosophy forum.

What's wrong with philosophy?

It doesn't belong in this thread. Also, it cannot be proven right or wrong.

It doesn't belong in this thread. Also, it cannot be proven right or wrong.

Irony.

Irony.

Yeah, I like that series from Swatch too.

That's right, Jesus hates you.

Well then, is Jesus the son of God because he raised the dead? If so, then what about Ezekiel who is said to have raised many more dead bodies than Jesus ever did. Ezekiel is said to have raised a whole city from the dead (Ezekiel 37:1-9) 

Well then, is Jesus the son of God because he raised the dead? If so, then what about Ezekiel who is said to have raised many more dead bodies than Jesus ever did. Ezekiel is said to have raised a whole city from the dead (Ezekiel 37:1-9) 

God worked through Ezekiel.  Jesus was God and raised the dead on his own.

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, "Son of man, can these bones live?"
      I said, "O Sovereign LORD, you alone know."

 4 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath [a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.' "

 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

 9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.' "