The Reason For Conspiracy and Magellan

Two Questions:
1. If NASA is the one benefitting from the conspiracy, why did people, including the world's smartest scientists, think that the world was round before then?
2. How did Magellan sail around the world going straight? And don't tell me the government rigged his compass.

1. If NASA is the one benefitting from the conspiracy, why did people, including the world's smartest scientists, think that the world was round before then?

Inference.

2. How did Magellan sail around the world going straight? And don't tell me the government rigged his compass.

In the FAQ.

Do you guys know how to answer questions? Everytime someone raises a valid point, you say "It's in the FAQ." Your FAQ's have no valid sources, so why should anyone believe that? I could make a site that says that the Earth is actually a giant pizza and write anything I want. Give me a valid source. Why is the thing about the conspiracy an inference? People knew the world was round back then, and NASA wasn't around. Most of the flat earthers say that NASA makes the money, so who made the money before then. Go into detail and back up your points. What scientific study do you have that proves your point about compasses?

You asked how Magellan could have sailed around the world.  All you need to answer that is a possible map, which we have in the FAQ.

Who was this map created by? What valid source do you have that made it?

2. How did Magellan sail around the world going straight? And don't tell me the government rigged his compass.

The layout of the Flat Earth is similar to the emblem of the United Nations. Magnetic North is at the center of the disk. Since East and West are always at right angles to North, traveling on that bearing will take you in a circle around the North Pole.

Ok, who created this flat earth layout? What qualifications do they have? What evidence do they have besides things that are circumstancial?

Ok, who created this flat earth layout? What qualifications do they have? What evidence do they have besides things that are circumstancial?

It was created by the class of 2 year olds in a nursery class, that proves it for me!

Do you guys know how to answer questions? Everytime someone raises a valid point, you say "It's in the FAQ." Your FAQ's have no valid sources, so why should anyone believe that? I could make a site that says that the Earth is actually a giant pizza and write anything I want. Give me a valid source. Why is the thing about the conspiracy an inference? People knew the world was round back then, and NASA wasn't around. Most of the flat earthers say that NASA makes the money, so who made the money before then. Go into detail and back up your points. What scientific study do you have that proves your point about compasses?

Don't even ask about compasses dude.  I asked a month or more ago how come you would need two different balances of compasses in a flat earth and no one could answer the question.  Everything they believe is based on what they see out of their window.  The Earth looks flat, it must be flat.  The theories of the people with in the society don't line up with each other.  They all have different theories.  Some that the earth is an infinite plane, some not.  Some that the tides are caused by sloshing, some not.  Some believe that the UN map is the Map, others say there is no map.  They can't get their facts straight, that's why you never get a straight answer.  I bet half of them, haven't even paid their dues to the society.  I'm tempted to pay the ten bucks just for the freaking news letter.  I need a good laugh now and then...

I think the whole thing should be changed to Flat Earth Theories.  Or better yet, Flat Earth Hypothesis...

I asked a month or more ago how come you would need two different balances of compasses in a flat earth and no one could answer the question.

Because you wouldn't.

Quote from: C-Ray on September 04, 2008, 01:53:41 PM

I asked a month or more ago how come you would need two different balances of compasses in a flat earth and no one could answer the question.

Because you wouldn't.

But you do today.  You can't buy a compass in North America and take it to Brazil.  It won't work.

But you do today.  You can't buy a compass in North America and take it to Brazil.  It won't work.

C-Ray is right. A special compass is needed as you get closer to the poles because the magnetic field lines become vertical.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug98/899130154.Es.r.html

The author notes that a special compass with an axle is already needed for navigation in latitudes past Seattle, Washington. Compasses are only really usable on a relatively narrow part of the earth centered over the equator.

This is all due to the magnetic layout of the earth. In the Round Earth model the magnetic layout looks like this



In the Flat Earth model the magnetic field lines looks something like this:



The vertical and horizontal component of the Magnetic Field lines are identical at every latitude. As you get closer to the areas where the field lines are vertical the compass attempts to point downwards and scrapes along the bottom of the compass and stops working. In the Arctic and Antarctic circles it's actually impossible to use a magnetic compass since the magnetic field lines are almost exactly vertical. Navigators must use the Sun Compass and Gyrocompass for navigation.

The author notes that a special compass with an axle is already needed for navigation in latitudes past Seattle, Washington.

I find that hard to believe. 

People of Canada, do you use normal compasses? 

There is no such thing as a normal compass.  You buy a compass in the area to be used, or you by a global balanced compass that can be used anywhere.

Thank you Tom.  Although, your graphic of Flat Earth Magnetic fields either didn't go through, or just isn't showing up for me.  I'd very much like that included in your post if it can be fixed.

Edited for the thank you to Tom.   Answer appreciated.

There is no such thing as a normal compass.  You buy a compass in the area to be used, or you by a global balanced compass that can be used anywhere.

Thank you Tom.  Although, your graphic of Flat Earth Magnetic fields either didn't go through, or just isn't showing up for me.  I'd very much like that included in your post if it can be fixed.

Edited for the thank you to Tom.   Answer appreciated.

Compass without an axle. 

A compass on an axle is one that is not able to tilt as much when the magnetic lines begin to become vertical.  Most expensive, relative term, that you would buy for navigation purposes are this way.

A compass on an axle is one that is not able to tilt as much when the magnetic lines begin to become vertical.  Most expensive, relative term, that you would buy for navigation purposes are this way.

So it's backwards from what  Tom said? 

Quote from: C-Ray on September 05, 2008, 10:13:36 AM

A compass on an axle is one that is not able to tilt as much when the magnetic lines begin to become vertical.  Most expensive, relative term, that you would buy for navigation purposes are this way.

So it's backwards from what  Tom said? 

I see nothing in my post contradicting what Tom said.

So back to my question then. 

What's the question?

So the FE core is a sphere!  LOL!

yeah the flat earth model likes really professional. i'm sure that's from a valid and great source that knows how to spell "the".

The flat earth model looks unprofessional because the round earthers have all the money. It's a conspiracy remember.

It was drawn by a person who doesn't know how to spell "the." If some actual scientist who had real credentials and real evidence instead of just speculation thought the Earth was flat, he could draw up a good model. It's not true that everyone who believes the earth is round is rich, and everyone who plays the earth is flat is poor. The people who run this website obviously make money, and I'm sure there are people here that are upper middle class to rich.

I was joking. The FE answer to everything is that there is a conspiracy with a profit motive.

Well, no responses. I guess we win?

That picture is classic.

Tom you never let me down.

Well, I guess you guys are wrong...Well that's kinda obvious though.

It was drawn by a person who doesn't know how to spell "the." If some actual scientist who had real credentials and real evidence instead of just speculation thought the Earth was flat, he could draw up a good model. It's not true that everyone who believes the earth is round is rich, and everyone who plays the earth is flat is poor. The people who run this website obviously make money, and I'm sure there are people here that are upper middle class to rich.

First of all, this website does not make money.  You'd think that that would be obvious from the lack of ads.

Second of all, I'm not sure where this vast overestimating of conspiracy members is coming from.  There is no reason for any private scientist to be in the conspiracy, and no serious debater on this site has ever argued as such.

I didn't say this website made a lot of money; people make livings doing other things. It would be economic suicide for any real business to advertise on this website, but that's not the point. Give me a qualified peer-reviewed (on the flat earth part) scientist who thinks the Earth is flat.