Contra FE Gravity-Theorie

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Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« on: September 04, 2008, 01:05:15 PM »
Hey guys,
I read your FAQ and the part about gravity.
I think your theorie ist, that "gravity" does work because earth ist thrusted up. But even if this is the case, there would be no thing like gravity because the effect that something is moved to the earths ground because it is moving up can't work without a thing like gravity ( gravity without " -> that one that the concpiracy tells us about; "gravity" -> your theorie gravity).

1. Let me explain this more. When a rocket starts, it is in effect of gravity, which causes the g-forces.
2. When the rocket moves out of the range of earths gravity, the g forces will stop and the space travellers will become "no-weight" (sry me<-german dont know all of the words ;)), although they are travelling as fast (or faster) as at the start or at least they will move faster as the earth in your "gravity" theorie.
3. and this is the cause, why your "gravity" does not work as you said it because although the earth is moving, at a certain point the things on it will move with the same energy as the earth and you could simply jump off the erath and would fly faster as the earth because you would have the energy of the earths motion and yours. and so there cant be a thing like gravity in your "gravity"-through-moving-world theorie.


Well, sry for "gravity" and gravity it means nothing just a way for me to divide and make it clear to you, about which one i am talking about, hope you understand me.  :)

Greetings, x3n0n
« Last Edit: September 04, 2008, 01:16:25 PM by x3n0n »

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 02:26:57 PM »
You are so very wrong on so very many levels I want to be sick.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 02:45:58 PM »
you are so right, but probably undereducated people won't be able to think of this in their small minds.

Imagine this:

someone jumps out of a plane at the hight of 1 mile, the earth would be moving towards him with 9.81m*s^-2 since the earth is already accelerating you cant even use the formula which we use for almost all these easy situations:

s=½gt² (since in this formula you don't use starting speed or distance since he starts with v=0)

anyway, the earth will 'jump' onto him, in the meanwhile he wouldnt feel anything but wind and definetally no g's.

well it's all strange, and btw as the faq explains the earth falls up with V and not 9.81m*s^-2 because of the maximum drag.

so everything, also feathers and anvils would drop at the same speed, like in vacuum.

anyway I am talking about 2 things at the same time, but only this fact makes it clear that the earth doesnt move up but we get attracted by the earth instead.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 02:46:38 PM »
Thank you for your support. I thought you were RE though?
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2008, 03:22:36 PM »
another win for FE!
Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2008, 06:16:50 PM »
so everything, also feathers and anvils would drop at the same speed, like in vacuum.

So a feather won't be affected by the passing air?
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2008, 07:15:05 PM »
Wait.... what was even wrong with round earth theory in the first place that FET had to be invented? all the other planets are round, so why should we assume that we would be any different?

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2008, 07:19:08 PM »
Why would you assume they are the same?
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2008, 10:21:56 PM »
2. When the rocket moves out of the range of earths gravity, the g forces will stop and the space travellers will become "no-weight" (sry me<-german dont know all of the words ;)), although they are travelling as fast (or faster) as at the start or at least they will move faster as the earth in your "gravity" theorie.
No, gravitation is still very strong even outside the RE's atmosphere. The reason why they feel weightless is they are free-falling relative to the Earth.

Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 02:41:16 AM »
so everything, also feathers and anvils would drop at the same speed, like in vacuum.

anyway I am talking about 2 things at the same time, but only this fact makes it clear that the earth doesnt move up but we get attracted by the earth instead.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2008, 05:37:00 AM »
You are so very wrong on so very many levels I want to be sick.
Thank you for the proof, that some people just can't debate with serious arguments.

Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2008, 06:04:37 AM »
You are so very wrong on so very many levels I want to be sick.
Thank you for the proof, that some people just can't debate with serious arguments.

Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?
very good point, you will never get a good explanation on this forum, because 'they' can only flame.

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2008, 06:05:52 AM »
We can't answer a question based on incorrect facts.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2008, 07:51:27 AM »
Ich merk das schon ;)

Well, please tell me which very fact is incorrect and i will update my question or realize that i got owned ;)

Greetings
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2008, 07:53:04 AM »
This,

2. When the rocket moves out of the range of earths gravity, the g forces will stop and the space travellers will become "no-weight" (sry me<-german dont know all of the words ;)), although they are travelling as fast (or faster) as at the start or at least they will move faster as the earth in your "gravity" theorie.

Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2008, 07:58:35 AM »
This,

2. When the rocket moves out of the range of earths gravity, the g forces will stop and the space travellers will become "no-weight" (sry me<-german dont know all of the words ;)), although they are travelling as fast (or faster) as at the start or at least they will move faster as the earth in your "gravity" theorie.
What i wrote there, is no theory but a fact, it just says that if a rocket flys into space, the space travellers will become weightless. And you want tell me that this is wrong?

Anyway, even if it would be wrong, this fact is not important for my second question, so please try to answer on that although there is a "wrong" fact in my first post:
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Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 08:00:44 AM »
What i wrote there, is no theory but a fact, it just says that if a rocket flys into space, the space travellers will become weightless. And you want tell me that this is wrong?
There is nothing wrong. You just need to fix the gravity part.

Here,
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When the rocket moves out of the range of earths gravity, the g forces will stop and the space travellers will become "no-weight"

Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 08:06:21 AM »
Okay i will do that later, no time now, but try answering my second question and ignore that "wrong" part...

Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 08:06:41 AM »
You are so very wrong on so very many levels I want to be sick.
Thank you for the proof, that some people just can't debate with serious arguments.

Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?

The way its explained in the FAQ is that the earth is undergoing continuous acceleration.  It is not moving at a staedy rate so the story goes that if you jump off the surface, it just keeps out accelerating you since you can only accelerate yourself to a higher velocity than the earth for the instant your legs propel you...once you'v left the surface you're travelling at a constant velocity...meanwhile the earth continues to accelerate and eventually it outruns you and hits you from below.

Not endorsing it...just explaining it.

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2008, 08:12:09 AM »
Okay i will do that later, no time now, but try answering my second question and ignore that "wrong" part...
I already answered your second question.

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2008, 08:24:19 AM »
1. Let me explain this more. When a rocket starts, it is in effect of gravity, which causes the g-forces.
2. When the rocket moves out of the range of earths gravity, the g forces will stop and the space travellers will become "no-weight" (sry me<-german dont know all of the words ;)), although they are travelling as fast (or faster) as at the start or at least they will move faster as the earth in your "gravity" theorie.
3. and this is the cause, why your "gravity" does not work as you said it because although the earth is moving, at a certain point the things on it will move with the same energy as the earth and you could simply jump off the erath and would fly faster as the earth because you would have the energy of the earths motion and yours. and so there cant be a thing like gravity in your "gravity"-through-moving-world theorie.
1.  It's the acceleration of the rocket that causes the g-forces.  "Gravity" only applies 1g.

2.  We don't feel velocity, we feel acceleration.

3.  The Earth is accelerating.  When you jump, you are momentarily increasing your acceleration to a value that is slightly higher than the Earth's acceleration of 9.8m/s^2.  Once you leave the surface of the Earth, you are no longer accelerating, but are traveling at a constant velocity.  The Earth is still accelerating and will therefore catch up to you in short order.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 09:42:15 AM »
You are so very wrong on so very many levels I want to be sick.
Thank you for the proof, that some people just can't debate with serious arguments.

Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?

The way its explained in the FAQ is that the earth is undergoing continuous acceleration.  It is not moving at a staedy rate so the story goes that if you jump off the surface, it just keeps out accelerating you since you can only accelerate yourself to a higher velocity than the earth for the instant your legs propel you...once you'v left the surface you're travelling at a constant velocity...meanwhile the earth continues to accelerate and eventually it outruns you and hits you from below.

Not endorsing it...just explaining it.
so the earth can travel quicker than the maximum speed of light?

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 09:43:00 AM »
so the earth can travel quicker than the maximum speed of light?

No. Learn some physics.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 09:44:36 AM »
so the earth can travel quicker than the maximum speed of light?

No. Learn some physics.

I know them, but I quoted a guy who obviously doesnt.

learn to reply normally instead of telling people to learn physics.

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 10:06:32 AM »
I know them, but I quoted a guy who obviously doesnt.

learn to reply normally instead of telling people to learn physics.

Lol. "Physics" is not a plural noun.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 10:24:58 AM »
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1.  It's the acceleration of the rocket that causes the g-forces.  "Gravity" only applies 1g.

2.  We don't feel velocity, we feel acceleration.

3.  The Earth is accelerating.  When you jump, you are momentarily increasing your acceleration to a value that is slightly higher than the Earth's acceleration of 9.8m/s^2.  Once you leave the surface of the Earth, you are no longer accelerating, but are traveling at a constant velocity.  The Earth is still accelerating and with therefore catch up to you in short order.

I still do not fully understand why air particles are not affected in the exact same way all other objects are. If the constant acceleration of the earth affect all other things then why not air particles?

I've been told they're "pressurized inside whatever FE recognizes as an atmosphere but don't understand why then in a free fall we would feel the air rushing by at an accelerated rate.

Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2008, 10:28:44 AM »
You are so very wrong on so very many levels I want to be sick.
Thank you for the proof, that some people just can't debate with serious arguments.

Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?

The way its explained in the FAQ is that the earth is undergoing continuous acceleration.  It is not moving at a staedy rate so the story goes that if you jump off the surface, it just keeps out accelerating you since you can only accelerate yourself to a higher velocity than the earth for the instant your legs propel you...once you'v left the surface you're travelling at a constant velocity...meanwhile the earth continues to accelerate and eventually it outruns you and hits you from below.

Not endorsing it...just explaining it.
so the earth can travel quicker than the maximum speed of light?

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I know them, but I quoted a guy who obviously doesnt.

Like I said.  Not endorsing it...just explaining it.

Do a search on the speed of light and you'll find probably a thousand threads about this issue.  Its been brought up countless times and the general consensus from the FE crowd is the Special Relativity (or is it General...I forget) allows for continuous acceleration to go on for infinite time without ever hitting c.  I believe it has to do with increasing time dilation as the object approaches c, but I have to be honest, I've never studied Relativity in any depth so I'm in a position to neither support nor decry this claim.

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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2008, 01:36:46 PM »
I still do not fully understand why air particles are not affected in the exact same way all other objects are. If the constant acceleration of the earth affect all other things then why not air particles?
Uh, the air particles are affected in the same way all other objects are. 

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I've been told they're "pressurized inside whatever FE recognizes as an atmosphere but don't understand why then in a free fall we would feel the air rushing by at an accelerated rate.
We would feel the air rushing by us because they are being accelerated, but we are not.


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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2008, 02:46:23 PM »
Okay i will do that later, no time now, but try answering my second question and ignore that "wrong" part...
I already answered your second question.
Either I am really dumb or I cant see your answer to my second question, which ist:
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Anyway, in the FEs Gravity Theorie, the earth ist falling up. But as i already said it, wouldn't the energy of the earths movement affect a object (here: a human) on it and the human could just jump of the earth and fly away because he is as fast as the earths speed+his own jump off speed? Especially because there is no RE gravity but only the FE Gravity, which is only because the worlds falling up?

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The way its explained in the FAQ is that the earth is undergoing continuous acceleration.  It is not moving at a staedy rate so the story goes that if you jump off the surface, it just keeps out accelerating you since you can only accelerate yourself to a higher velocity than the earth for the instant your legs propel you...once you'v left the surface you're travelling at a constant velocity...meanwhile the earth continues to accelerate and eventually it outruns you and hits you from below.

Not endorsing it...just explaining it.

That means, that the force, which is accelerating the earth in FE Gravity Theory does only affect the earth and not the things on it?

If the earth is accelerating all the time so that it would catch up to you at a certain time, wouldn't it be hard to live on it, because the FE Gravity would increase all the time?

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Lol. "Physics" is not a plural noun.
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Re: Contra FE Gravity-Theorie
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2008, 03:31:07 PM »
That means, that the force, which is accelerating the earth in FE Gravity Theory does only affect the earth and not the things on it?
Yes.  The things on the Earth are shielded by the Earth.

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If the earth is accelerating all the time so that it would catch up to you at a certain time, wouldn't it be hard to live on it, because the FE Gravity would increase all the time?
No, the velocity increases, but fortunately for us, we don't feel velocity.


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