Three models of Gravity

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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2008, 04:50:30 PM »
But isn't this because 9.8m is nearly 2 percent of the radius of the Halo you used? The larger the Halo, the smaller percentage difference in the velocity at any height above the ground. And obviously an Earth Halo is dramatically larger than 1 km across.
Yea... I agree... and I added an edit to show that. On this point we're mainly disargeeing on a matter of scale. Even at earth sized halos 1 cm in 9.8m should be easily detectable. We may have to go larger. A lot larger.

I may try one more thing... specifically, instead of merely dropping the ball, what happens if I throw it perpendicular to the pole? This also happens to be in the chord direction which is essentially the direction of travel. So... this should really screw with the fall rate. On FE/RE these two components of motion are orthogonal to each other ... here, they're parallel. (as a matter of fact, this observation cinches it.)

Note, I kinda want these to be different so that "we" can point this problem out to Bungie and they'll issue this correction in Halo 4.

Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2008, 05:34:37 PM »
In RE, of course, the earths surface is rotating quite fast as well, so an object shouldn't fall straight down, yes?

Throwing the ball in the direction of the Halo spin should make it fall faster?
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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2008, 06:37:04 PM »
In RE, of course, the earths surface is rotating quite fast as well, so an object shouldn't fall straight down, yes?

clearly not at the north pole. I'd think a 1 cm deviation in nearly 10 meter high would be noticed by now, but I haven't done the experiment myself.

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Throwing the ball in the direction of the Halo spin should make it fall faster?

Yes.
Imagine you're an outside observer of the halo. When I "drop" the ball it moves in a straight line that's at a 90 degree angle with the pole that I dropped it from toward the rim. The distance from that point to the rim is constant. It depends on the height of the pole. The velocity the halo imparts on the ball is also constant. If additionally I THROW the ball in that direction, again from the pov of the halo, this is at a right angle to the pole, but from the observer outside it's in the direction of travel, then the ball moves faster over the same distance, so it reaches it's target (the rim) sooner.

Make sense?

Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2008, 06:47:14 PM »
In RE, of course, the earths surface is rotating quite fast as well, so an object shouldn't fall straight down, yes?
I'd think a 1 cm deviation in nearly 10 meter high would be noticed by now, but I haven't done the experiment myself.
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So ... evidence the world is flat?

Imagine you're an outside observer of the halo. When I "drop" the ball it moves in a straight line that's at a 90 degree angle with the pole that I dropped it from toward the rim. The distance from that point to the rim is constant. It depends on the height of the pole. The velocity the halo imparts on the ball is also constant. If additionally I THROW the ball in that direction, again from the pov of the halo, this is at a right angle to the pole, but from the observer outside it's in the direction of travel, then the ball moves faster over the same distance, so it reaches it's target (the rim) sooner.

Make sense?
Yep that's how I pictured it.

The movement of the air in the RE/Halo model would have some impact on a dropped object as well. wouldn't it?
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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2008, 07:07:46 AM »
Maybe we're all inside a Dyson Sphere?

Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2008, 07:47:29 AM »
Maybe we're all inside a Dyson Sphere?

I'd like to see a Dyson sphere Earth FAQ. Here are some ideas:

Q. How does the sun rise/set?
A. It's a perspective effect.

Q. How can we see stars?
A. They are really the lights of cities on the opposite side of the sphere.

Q. Why do the stars rotate?
A. Some lights are caught up in the vast whirling cornucopias of swirling stellar systems that exist in the centre of the sphere.

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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2008, 12:37:11 AM »
Maybe we're all inside a Dyson Sphere?

I'd like to see a Dyson sphere Earth FAQ. Here are some ideas:

Q. How does the sun rise/set?
A. It's a perspective effect.

Q. How can we see stars?
A. They are really the lights of cities on the opposite side of the sphere.

Q. Why do the stars rotate?
A. Some lights are caught up in the vast whirling cornucopias of swirling stellar systems that exist in the centre of the sphere.

There's actually a book on the subject: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/cc/index.htm

I've been reading it off and on. It's pretty slick. This model of the earth may even be more comprehensive in its explanatory phenomena than Samuel Birley Rowbotham's original model. Rowbotham's observations across long bodies of standing water are also compatible with this earth model, interestingly enough.
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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2008, 01:01:27 AM »
Maybe we're all inside a Dyson Sphere?

I'd like to see a Dyson sphere Earth FAQ. Here are some ideas:

Q. How does the sun rise/set?
A. It's a perspective effect.

Q. How can we see stars?
A. They are really the lights of cities on the opposite side of the sphere.

Q. Why do the stars rotate?
A. Some lights are caught up in the vast whirling cornucopias of swirling stellar systems that exist in the centre of the sphere.

There's actually a book on the subject: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/cc/index.htm

I've been reading it off and on. It's pretty interesting. This model of the earth may even be more comprehensive (shouldn't that be incomprehensible?) than Rowbotham's original model.

OhMyGod, its Rowbotham v2.0 - Bigger, sexier, with more features:   "In 1869 Teed had a vision in his laboratory, in which a beautiful woman spoke to him and revealed that he was to become a messiah".

And there's more.  In the chapter entitled "Optical Factors and Illusions", he starts talking about the "The phenomenon of the disappearance of a ship", making much the same mistakes as Rowbothem, but getting extra points for style.

An extract from the introduction makes even more interesting reading:

To know the Lord Christ absolutely is to be in the consciousness of Deity; and to become like him is to sit upon the throne of his glory. This knowledge is so related to the structured alchemico-organic macrocosm, that to know of the earth's concavity and its relation to universal form is to know God; while to believe in the earth's convexity is to deny him and all his works. All that is opposed to Koreshanity is antichrist.

I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2008, 04:35:30 AM »
To know the Lord Christ absolutely is to be in the consciousness of Deity; and to become like him is to sit upon the throne of his glory. This knowledge is so related to the structured alchemico-organic macrocosm, that to know of the earth's concavity and its relation to universal form is to know God; while to believe in the earth's convexity is to deny him and all his works. All that is opposed to Koreshanity is antichrist.


Wow.  :o

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Re: Three models of Gravity
« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2008, 05:31:47 AM »
And there's more.  In the chapter entitled "Optical Factors and Illusions", he starts talking about the "The phenomenon of the disappearance of a ship", making much the same mistakes as Rowbothem, but getting extra points for style.

Cool, there's even a picture of Steve's bendy light.

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