Psychiatry

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Psychiatry
« on: May 08, 2006, 12:59:10 AM »
My opinion in brief:

The only persons who should see psychiatrists are psychiatrists.

Incidentally, I think the only thing deserving of the death penalty is the death penalty (and perhaps the practice of psychiatry).

- Dionysios

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2006, 01:05:29 AM »
Psychiatrists are useful.  You are an Orthodox Christian, and not a Scientologist, right?

Seriously however, psychiatrists can help mental disorders.  In some cases, a person might have depression, etc.  due to, for example, a chemical imbalance in their brain.  A pschiatrist can detect this problem, and prescribe treatment, for example, in the form of medication.

And the death penalty must be abolished.  If not for moral reasons, but for practical reasons (the US is capitalist after all).  For example, in the US our government is so inefficient it takes many years of death row for a person to be executed, and the execution itself is very expensive.  Even if the exexutions happened right away, they would only be cheaper than prison if the prisoner was going to be a prisoner for over thirty years.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2006, 01:52:54 AM »
The Citizens Commisiosn on Human Rights is a good product of a bad overall organization.  I call them like I see them.

  Your defense of psychiatry is a sham.  How dare you defend this institution.  I do think anyone practicing psychiatry should be thrown out on the street and their homes burnt down.  I have been close with several persons whose lives and families have been needlessly destroyed by this monstrosity.

  As to the death penalty, why is morality the last rather than the FIRST consideration in so many discussions these days?
  You are aginst it for the wrong reason.  Economics is stupid when we are talking about someone's life.  What if you were the one on death row?  Would you like to be saved because it was economically convenient or because someone feared God too much and couldnot find it within themselves to put a man to death?

- Dionysios

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2006, 02:07:30 AM »
I personally am against the death penalty because it is immoral, but with the two major parties in my country being capitalist I need to give them a better incentive, as they do not care about the people.  They are corrupt and only care about themselves.

Perhaps I am confusing psychiatry and psychology or something?  I'm not sure.  However I do know that some people need treatment for malfunctioning brains, and I believe they need to use therapy/medication to fix that.

I do not 'fear God'; I feel that killing a human being, regardless of the circumstances, is wrong unless this human being is a direct threat to your well being.  Since my country seperates the Church from the federal government, I'd rather it not base its decisions on the Christian faith.

Perhaps by psychiatry you mean those mental institutions in which they would electroshock people and cut parts of their brains off from the rest of the brain?  Those places were terrible.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 08:24:52 AM »
...whats' wrong with psychiatrists?

Death penalty I can understand, but psychiatrists?

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 10:20:42 AM »
I think 'Toxic Psychiatry' by Peter Breggin rather sums it up (by title as well as content).

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 01:09:56 PM »
First off speaking as a Moderator  Dionysios this is really two seperate topics Death Penalty and Psychiatry. (With your permission just private message me or post here I shall split this topic in two or retitle it and start a second thread).

I'm not going to defend the death penalty as it's barbaric and immoral for two reasons, the main one is it's wrong to put a human being to death, the New Testament is pretty clear on the topic just as it is on the topic of forgiveness. As well even if it was right to put people to death (WHICH IT ISNT) the legal system is so prone to error that entrusting a man or womans life to it would be idiotic. YOu can release someone you cannot un hagne them.

SInce I cannot find that book about psychiatry would you mind summarising why it's bad. I doubt I'll agree with you but your arguments will no doubt be intersting
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Re: Psychiatrists and the Death Penalty
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 01:58:55 PM »
Quote from: "Dionysios"
The only persons who should see psychiatrists are psychiatrists.


I am appalled at the readiness with which the medical community falls back on the introduction of synthesized chemicals into a person's bloodstream to cure them of their ailments.  I am also not a scientologist, but I think this shared conviction is their closest brush with not being lunatics.  The suggestion that AD(H)D is an invented disorder to justify the sales of Ritalin is, as far as I can tell, unchallenged.

On the other hand, there has been quite a bit of success in treating some disorders (such as severe schizophrenias) with drugs, with overall very positive benefits.  To adopt Dionysios' tactic, if I were to put myself in the position of a person with a severe dementia that could be cured through drug treatment, I hope those who care for me and are still cognizant of themselves would avail me of that treatment.

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The only thing to receive the death penalty should be the death penalty


My feelings here are mixed.  I feel "safe" concluding that capital punishment should be abolished on the grounds that it is an irreversable action.  However, I still do not have a strong opinion about the purpose or (consequently) best means of dispensing punishment.

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 02:30:53 PM »
sometimes just talking to people can help them, which is what a majority of psychiatrists do. Just having someone to talk to and knowing that everything is confidential is enough for some people to spill their guts and fix themselves.

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2006, 04:05:58 AM »
Cinlef,

  Amended as per the doctor's orders.

To all,

  I will initiate a separate post if sufficient interest exists on the death penalty if someone else does not beat me to it.  If so, I would mainly like to add what it was that convinced me it was wrong in the event this may be of service to persons in favor of it.

  As to psychiatry, I will however be adding some more damning information against psychiatry as I am not finished with it yet.

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Re: Psychiatry
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2006, 03:05:03 PM »
Quote from: "Dionysios"
The only persons who should see psychiatrists are psychiatrists.


Agreed.

Quote from: "Dionysios"
As to psychiatry, I will however be adding some more damning information against psychiatry as I am not finished with it yet.


Excellent; a good summary of what various people have written about it would be great. Speaking of which, could you give any more information on "Toxic Psychiatry?" I'd like to know if it's worth my time or is full of things I already knew.


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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2006, 03:48:55 AM »
trouble doer,

  Another lame excuse for an illegitimate industry.  Psychiatrists are the worse people someone could talk to.  Confidentiality is out the door.  Everything is recorded, and such a person becomes a victim of a horrendous system that preys on unfortunates.  A psychiatrist is the worst little friend a person could have, aside from a demon.  I would rather befriend a jew than a confounded psychiatrist.

  I have not even leaned into coke snortin' freud dude or his lecherous sidekick Carl Jung or psychiatry's long standing and well documented deep relations with the occult.

  As to Peter Breggin, he did have his own bookseller called Lake House Books, but his books are so well established they can be obtained from book dealers like Barnes & Noble and Borders.  I mentioned 'Toxic Psychiatry' as it was perhaps hisbest book if one could only get one, but he has authored and collaborated onquite a few (including a book on psychiatry's historical association with and use in national socialist Germany and a number of dictatorships).  I think the book is worth getting as it has references to most other useful information on the subject, whether by Breggin or other people.  Here is a link to an authorized dealer of autograohed books by Peter Breggin:

http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html

Here is a description specifically of 'Toxic Psycjiatry':

http://www.breggin.com/Toxicpsych.html

  A good book concerning Carl Jung was written by an atheist pschiatrist (to rule out any bias against psychiatry) by the name of Richard Noll.  Noll actaully wrote two books on Jung entitled 'The Jung Cult' and 'The Aryan Christ.'  The following is a link to a good description of 'The Aryan Christ' by Richard Noll andtherefore contains a great deal of unseemly information about Carl Jung:

http://www.dhushara.com/book/jung/archr.htm

  As to Sigmund Freud, the most authoritative biography I have seen of him was written back in the 1950's.  It includes the good, the bad, and the ugly (such as a chapter on his cocaine addiction).  The thesis of the book presents the solidly documented case that he did not invent modern psychoanaysis on his own, but created it based on esoteric judaism, especially the zohar.  As Freud was jewish this should not be an overwhelming surprise to anyone.  The book is entitled 'Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition':

http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/0486437671.html

  At any rate, it is indeed good to hear that there is quite a lot of agreement that psychiatry is anything but a benign place or friend that someone can talk to.

- Dionysios

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2006, 04:37:10 AM »
One comment on Erasmus's post:  I want to add that if a particular prescription of modern medication happens to work, it is used in the modern medical industry in general and the psychiatric profession especially to add all kinds of other unnecessary conditions to a patient's life.  As in, "you will need this for the rest of your life," et cetera.   am not against a prescription that actualy works for somebody, especialy in the short run.  Becoming dependent and enslaved is another matter that is often associated with it.  An ounce of cure is surrounded by a pound of strings attached, financial and others.  This is all not to mention the actually corrosive medicines and applications.  

  To get to the heart of the issue, I think a major of drawback of most modern medical care is the disrespect of the patient.

  I could add that a positive trend of the last several years (even since the 1960's) has been the growth of natural and medicines such as herbs and away from artificial medicine, but peole with vested interests such as doctors only schooled in modern medicine and the majority of the AMA have always been the first to oppose such positive developments.

- Dionysios